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Old 05-06-2003, 12:49 AM
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Rice a Good Diet Food?

I've been on a diet for the past couple weeks and have been eating alot of rice under the assumption that it was a good dieting food but I just got through talking to a friend of mine who insists that it isn't. I admit that calories, fat grams, and carb talk go over my head so can someone tell me if it is or not without using dieter's language?
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Old 05-06-2003, 01:10 AM
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Calories == energy. Get more than your daily energy use and you will store the calories as fat most likely. Get less and your body will have to burn fat to sustain energy levels. Rice has mucho calories so it might be best to avoid it in order to lose weight. But Rice doesnt really have all the nastiness associated with red-meat, so I mean its fine for you, just not what you want to eat to lose weight.

Here's what I suggest for diets:
Good foods:
Vegetables
FISH!!!! (not fried)

Ok Foods:
grains (rice/pasta/breads)
skinless, boneless chicken breast nonfried.

Bad Foods:
Red-meat
candy, ice creme, whole milk, really sugary cereals, fruit juice, soda.
hot chocolate, cake, flavored lattes/cappuccinos, pies, french-fries, potatoe chips.
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Old 05-06-2003, 01:11 AM
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Add soups to OK foods. Watch out for high sodium if you are prone to high blood-pressure!
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Old 05-06-2003, 03:07 AM
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There is a theory that the combination of fat and carbs is really, really bad. Carbs are fast, fat is slow energy. So when you eat them at the same time, the body will use the carbs and store the fat. It doesn't 'learn' to use the fat. From this we learn than any deep fried carbs are very bad. A sandwhich with mayo is really bad.

There is talk about the white poison: Sugar and flour. A good way of steadily getting rid of weight, is to get rid of all things containing sugar and flour. This is permanently, you understand, not a crash diet so you can go to the beach in a month.

This list might contain some things that are surprising, but trust me, it works.

Allowed:
Any meat (yes, red too).
Fish
Raw veggies and fruit.
yoghurt (plain, there is often sugar in fruity yoghurt)
eggs
whole seeds (more on this later). Buy sunflower seeds for snacks. They're good.
cheese
mushrooms
nuts

Maybe
chocolate (if cocoa content is over 70 %)
rice (basmati. Surprisingly - not brown rice)
pasta (if made of durum wheat)
pumpernickel (no other types of bread)

Do not eat rice or pasta with any food containg fat. Pasta with a salsa is ok. Pumpernickel with cheese is not.

No way
potatoes.
cereals
anything containing sugar, but no diet pop. Drink water. (things that contain sugar naturally - fruit - is allowed, but watch out for added sugar. I found this in aiolli)

Eat an orange, don't drink OJ. There are the same amount of calories, but the carbs are more complex in an orange. making them slower to absorb and giving you more fibre.


Many processed foods and premade stuff contains added sugar. White beans in tomato sauce - the tomato sauce has (mostly) added sugar. Generally, you're better off, preparing your own food.

So a basic day could be like this:

Breakfast:
Bacon and eggs. Yoghurt with fresh strawberries. Coffee or tea.

Lunch:
Pasta with tomato sauce, choice of shellfish or tuna.

Dinner:
Full slab of ribs, coleslaw (watch out for sugar). Dessert the french way - some cheese.


Liberal with snacks in between. Peanuts, seeds, dark chocolate.

Late evening guilty snack:
Strawberries and cream (NO sugar - which is often found at that cream you get in a spray can).

You can pig out like this how much you like, and still lose weight. It worked for me. 20lbs in 6 months. And since I don't get hit with insuline after every meal, I don't get drowsy at mid afternoon.

Of course - healthy excersise and generally taking care of yourself is part of this. But you will get a ballanced diet, while losing weight, and not feeling you're too deprived of the good things in life.

I have a friend who used to be part of Weightwatchers. He starved himself during the week, so he could live off brownies during the weekend. He did lose weight, but was it healthy? And when he got off the program, he started gaining again.

Caveat: IANAMD or a professional. The advice I give here was given to me by a friend. She gained a lot of weight in connection with a pregnancy (ended up at 220lbs) and lost it this way. YMMV.
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Old 05-06-2003, 05:49 AM
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Mostly, I agree with The Gaspode. A couple of things that wouldn't work for me that are on his (her?) list: pasta made with durum flour (I use whole wheat pasta instead) and dark chocolate. For me, any kind of chocolate is fine, so long as it isn't sweetened with refined sugar. It doesn't seem to bother me to combine carbs with protein, so long as the carbs are fruits, veggies, whole grains. I also don't eat white potatoes or white rice for the same reason: they spike my blood sugar, making me crave sweets. I also exercise 3-5 times per week, and drink lots and lots of water. I've lost 41 pounds since the first of the year. I don't mind about fat or calories at all, but I know I'm eating way fewer calories than I used to. This, of course, is because I'm not binge-eating like I do once I get started on sweets.
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Old 05-06-2003, 06:10 AM
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Dr. Atkins thought rice was a terrible diet food.
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Old 05-06-2003, 07:34 AM
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Re: Rice a Good Diet Food?

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Originally posted by Aesiron
I admit that calories, fat grams, and carb talk go over my head so can someone tell me if it is or not without using dieter's language?
I once saw a documentary on Sumo wrestling. Guess what they eat to get so big. Lots of rice. Definitely not a diet food. Unless, of course, you want to look like a Sumo.
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Old 05-06-2003, 07:35 AM
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Choose brown rice, in portions that fit into an overall balanced meal plan. Brown rice is a much better option than white rice.

No one food is 'good' or 'bad'.
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Old 05-06-2003, 07:42 AM
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A diet high in Rice or other starches can send you triglyceride levels through the roof, unless your overall diet and genetic pre-disposition allows you to cope with it (c.f. Asians, et al.).

I am not Asian but love rice and eat it with almost every evening meal. As a result, my doctor's eyes nearly popped out of his sockets when he ran by bloodwork and saw my triglyceride levels.

Apparently there is hope for me and other rice eaters. Add plenty of sources of fish oil, pantethine and niacin to your diet. Oats may also help.

See your doctor
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Old 05-06-2003, 08:36 AM
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Rice is not a diet food.

Rice (all kinds) has a high glycemic index (or load). This means that it is especially quick to break down into sugar. If you'd like to test this, arrange with your doctor to test your blood sugar before eating rice and an hour later.

Many reasonably well-supported, medically-based diets suggest that you avoid "white food," meaning highly-processed grains and starchy vegetables.
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Old 05-06-2003, 08:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Philster
Choose brown rice, in portions that fit into an overall balanced meal plan. Brown rice is a much better option than white rice.

No one food is 'good' or 'bad'.
Oh yeah?

Twinkies.
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Old 05-06-2003, 08:55 AM
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Twinkies are good and bad.
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Old 05-06-2003, 11:12 AM
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Rice is terrible for me, I've found. I like sushi, (which isn't supposed to be highly caloric) and have also been trying a high protein diet, limiting my carbs. I've noticed I can steadily lose weight, but the minute I eat any maki, or anything with rice in it I gain 2 pounds the next day and feel like crap. This doesn't happen to the same degree when I cheat with other starches. I'm exaggerating, of course, and this is totally anecdotal but rice seems to be the worst food on earth for a diet. Dr. Atkin's assessment seems to fit IMHO.

If you have to eat grain, oats and oat flour seem to be good choices. The flour is good for general cooking purposes and it includes all parts of the grain. It contains a lot of fiber without tasting "coarse".
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Old 05-06-2003, 11:24 AM
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Oh yeah?

Twinkies.
Twinkies aren't actually food, so your example is invalid!
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Old 05-06-2003, 11:52 AM
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Do canned sardines count as "fish" in the diet advisor's lexicon?
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Old 05-06-2003, 12:07 PM
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Oh yeah?

Twinkies.

Yeah, Twinkies, wise ass. Twinkies can be eaten, like any other food, as part of a diet plan.

I'm sorry, maybe I didn't realize they were removed from shelves because they are poisonous.
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Old 05-06-2003, 12:08 PM
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They're not?
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Old 05-06-2003, 12:09 PM
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maybe you all should read

readhttp://www.howstuffworks.com/diet.htm
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Old 05-06-2003, 12:11 PM
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Twinkies contain what ingredients that are 'bad' for the human body?

Please elaborate/enlighten.
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Old 05-06-2003, 12:55 PM
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Bottom line, is if you consume more calories than you burn, you gain weight. If you burn more calories than you consume, you lose weight.

Rice is high in calories, but it doesn't mean you can't eat it. Just eat less.

And check out the website that Philster provided.
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Old 05-06-2003, 01:11 PM
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Brown rice would be a little better, because it takes longer for the digestive juices to break through the husk of the brown rice, which in turn creates a slower uptake of glucose. This ensures a more steady rate of insulin response so less of it will be stored as fat. But, there is definately more to it than what I just said. This is a guideline. If all you eat for one meal is a bunch of brown rice really quickly, the glucose will all modulate at the same time and you will get a big rush of sugar. That's why *balanced* is the key here.

Everyone who is trying to lose weight and is not on a carb-free diet should eat whole oats for this same reason.

PhilsterBy the way, twinkies have preservatives and hydrogenated fats in them. Aren't those bad?
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Old 05-06-2003, 01:41 PM
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Twinkies contain what ingredients that are 'bad' for the human body?

Please elaborate/enlighten.
Oh, my. Don't we take ourselves seriously. Are you actually arguing that eating something loaded with refined sugar isn't bad for the consumer?

Well, to begin with, they are a food product, contray to popular belief.

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Twinkies are cream-filled sponge cakes shaped like ladyfingers which pack 160 calories per cake and are loaded with "trans fats," a form of fat which (even moreso than saturated fats) raises levels of bad cholesterol (LDL) and decreases levels of good cholesterol (HDL) in the blood.
So that's a start. Add in the fact that they're essentially refined sugar and white flour and I know what I'm not having for dessert.
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Old 05-06-2003, 01:44 PM
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maybe you all should read

readhttp://www.howstuffworks.com/diet.htm
Philster, please quit sending people to this outdated, 90's diet site. I suggest you first read some recent nutrition books before singing any more praises of a diet based on 80's and 90's concepts. I mean, they recommend rice cakes! Come on! Rice cakes will put weight on faster then ice cream! Sheesh! No offense, but I think you are really misguided...

To the OP - try some internet searches on glycemic index, and then try eating a diet of food made of low GI foods. You'll lose weight, and feel better...
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Old 05-06-2003, 03:15 PM
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Yeah, Twinkies, wise ass. Twinkies can be eaten, like any other food, as part of a diet plan.

I'm sorry, maybe I didn't realize they were removed from shelves because they are poisonous.
They can, but why would you want to? Pizza and wings are better cheat foods and they don't mess with your insulin as much!

Choose your "cheat foods" well.
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Old 05-06-2003, 03:28 PM
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A diet high in Rice or other starches can send you triglyceride levels through the roof, unless your overall diet and genetic pre-disposition allows you to cope with it (c.f. Asians, et al.).
Engineering to Cap'n Kirk! Cap'n, the triglyceride levels are through the roof. She can'na take anymore or the pancreas is going to blow sky high!
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Old 05-06-2003, 03:32 PM
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You can eat anything you want, in the right quantities. Because people gorge themselves on refined sugar does not make refined sugar bad, or make all carbohydrates bad. It means it's a bad habit.

People have carbs at easy disposal, so they are first to be consumed in mass quantities.

It's all about how much you eat. AND, recent and real tested scientific evidence bears this out. You want a current link?

Here goes: Calories restriction is the way to go. If you can pack USDA nutrition too....and you can always have some calories like a twinkie, if you'd like.

Here is some science from people doing long term research on the effects the diets they propose. This is the latest and greatest.


http://www.walford.com/


Atkins! Good lord, people were in shape LOOOOOONG before Atkins, but not since mass quantities were consumed in eating frenzies and since laziness skyrocketed.
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Old 05-06-2003, 03:36 PM
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Thanks, everyone.
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Old 05-07-2003, 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by Attrayant A diet high in Rice or other starches can send you triglyceride levels through the roof, unless your overall diet and genetic pre-disposition allows you to cope with it (c.f. Asians, et al.).

'Scuse the bump.

I just had to say that triglycerides primarily come from fats in the diet, not starches.
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