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Old 05-07-2003, 08:05 AM
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Err... a question

This is my first question on this board so please be easy on me if I did something wrong (actually I sent an e-mail to Cecil first, but was referred to this BB).

Anyway...

The other day on the cable radio service at my school, I heard a song by a rap-heavy metal band, that must have said the word 'fuck' about twenty or thirty times. That word seems pretty common these days, so it got me thinking...

What was the first major-label record release to feature a clearly enunciated, non-censored swear word, ie 'shit', or 'fuck'?
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Old 05-07-2003, 08:39 AM
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Welcome to the SDMB!

I'm sure there's older stuff than this, but RCA put out a 1972 record by Harry Nilsson - Son of Schmilsson. Track #5, "You're Breaking My Heart" has a 'fuck you' in the lyrics. If you look it up on Amazon, you can hear it in the preview.

Cite: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/n/nilsson-harry/11793.htm
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Old 05-07-2003, 08:44 AM
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Just make the subject/question specific next time, so we all don't have to open the thread to see it.
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Old 05-07-2003, 08:50 AM
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I'm thinking there are a zillion small label blues and folk things from way back when.

But there's always 'Kick Out the Jams' by the MC5 in 1969 (I think).

It starts with the battle-cry 'Kick out the Jams, motherfuckers!'
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Old 05-07-2003, 09:05 AM
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"Money " by Pink Floyd was released around 1973 and clearly has the word "bullshit" in it, and that song got Top 40 airplay, unlike the Nilsson tune.

"Who Are You" by The Who came out in 1978 and has the phrase "who the fuck are you".

My 13-year-old sister came home with Son of Schmilsson and when my mother heard "You're Breaking My Heart", she immediately threw it in the trash. "Take 54" is also a classic ("I sang my balls off").

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Old 05-07-2003, 09:07 AM
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Just make the subject/question specific next time, so we all don't have to open the thread to see it.
Sorry bout that, I was unaware of how fast this board moved!

Thanks JC, I've heard 'Kick Out The Jams' way back in high school, but I was under the (mistaken) impression that is was distorted somehow...

I know that Pink Floyd's 'Careful With That Axe Eugene' was distorted/ censored on purpose, and I think there was a Doors song too...

Anyway, thanks for the help guys.

Magog, I'm off to check your link right now.

Thanks again.

-tsuka
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Old 05-07-2003, 10:49 AM
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Or, you could look to see if there's been a thread like this one before.

Just do a search for "fuck"...
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Old 05-07-2003, 11:19 AM
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We Can Be Together, from the Jefferson Airplane's album "Volunteers," has the clearly enunciated line:

Quote:
In order to survive we steal cheat lie forge fuck hide and deal
and in the chorus

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Up against the wall motherfucker
"Fuck/motherfucker" was changed to "fred" on the lyric sheets, but it's very clear on the record.
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Old 05-07-2003, 11:21 AM
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Jefferson Airplane's album "Volunteers"[/B]
Issued 1969.
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Old 05-07-2003, 11:32 AM
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The alternate version of Country Joe and the Fish's Fish Cheer also dates from ~69. I'm sure wasn't the first.
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Old 05-07-2003, 11:46 AM
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So what's the (pardon the pun) record now? (err... another pardon) '69? Anything definitively earlier?
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Old 05-07-2003, 11:53 AM
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Welcome to the SDMB, tsukaesugi. I'll change the title of this thread to make it more clear. Since, this is about music, I'll also move this thread to our arts forum, Cafe Society.

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Old 05-07-2003, 11:55 AM
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So what's the (pardon the pun) record now? (err... another pardon) '69? Anything definitively earlier?
OK thanks, sorry for the trouble.
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Old 05-07-2003, 11:58 AM
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Whoops, what a weird BBS. Not you guys I mean the service. I meant to quote 'Bibliophage' and ended up quoting myself...

sigh.

Anyway, any pre '69 (there I go again) cuss words?
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Old 05-07-2003, 12:23 PM
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"Mother People" on "We're Only in it For the Money" (1968) by The Mothers of Invention contained the lyric: "Better look around before you say you don't care/Shut your fuckin' mouth about the length of my hair." It was censored by the record company, but Zappa still included it on the album - backward - at the end of "Hot Poop."
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Old 05-07-2003, 01:01 PM
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OK, clearly not the first, but Bowie sang "I love you in your fuck-me pumps" on his 1974 "Diamond Dogs" LP. He previously used "bitch" on 1971's "Hunky Dory", "balls" on 1972's "Ziggy Stardust" and "wanking" on 1973's "Aladdin Sane", which may not be shocking now but were probably considered rather naughty at the time.
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Old 05-07-2003, 01:03 PM
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I have two old R&B 45's (look it up) that pre-date anything mentioned here. One is "Cocksucker's Ball" by The Clovers which contains lyrics like: "All you po' ass singers and you big dick slingers, we're going downtown to the Cocksucker's Ball. Fuck, suck and fight. 'Til beginin' of the broad daylight." ect. From 1955!

Also "Don't Fuck Around With Love" (1953) by The Blenders which is just "Don't Play Around With Love" with the slight change.

Certainly there are more examples from this era.
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Old 05-08-2003, 10:12 AM
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I'm pretty sure there was a Kinks record back in the 60s that yelled it loud and proud.

Don't know the title though? Can anyone confirm my suspicions?
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Old 05-08-2003, 12:30 PM
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1968 Jefferson Airplane had a song called The House at Pooneil Corners, with "bullshit" in the lyrics.

Frank Zappa did a nice cover of Cocksucker's Ball in the 1980's.

There was also "fuck" on Absolutely Free by Frank Zappa, issued in 1967.
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Old 05-08-2003, 01:08 PM
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Isley Brother's Fight the Power was released in 1969 and contains the chorus
I can't play my music
They say my music's too loud
I kept talkin about it
I got the big run around
When I rolled with the punches
I got knocked on the ground
With all this bullshit going down.


Still only 1969 though,
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Old 05-08-2003, 04:02 PM
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How about "Louie Louie"?

: d&r :
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Old 05-08-2003, 08:42 PM
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Going through some very old antique recordings that were my great grandfathers, they were played on a gramaphone on the old vinyl cylinders before flat records came out, I found a very politically incorrect song titled "Nigger loves his possum."
Maybe not too riske in those days it sure would not be tollerated these days.
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Old 05-09-2003, 01:38 AM
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I don't know if you would classify it as "swearing", but "Good golly, Miss Molly, you sure like to ball!" was pretty risque for the mid-50s.
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Old 05-09-2003, 02:29 AM
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Limiting myself to songs to songs that got a lot of airplay:

"Romeo's Song" by Steve Forbert
"Play Guitar" by John Cougar Mellencamp
"Give Back My Heart" by Lyle Lovett

I've heard that Al "Year of the Cat" Stewart holds the distinction of being the first to get the word "Fuck" printed on his album cover (lyrics portion). He also got Dr. Strange on two album covers, but that's a whole 'nother thread.
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Old 05-09-2003, 07:15 AM
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"Uncle John's Band," by the Grateful Dead contains the words "God Damn!," and came out in 1970. It did manage to make the charts, unlike a few of the others mentioned here that were more album cuts.
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Old 05-09-2003, 09:44 AM
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Early blues records were often very suggestive, and occasionally veered into the explicit.

According to some transcriptions, the 1931 Skip James recording of "Hard Times Killing Floor Blues" (covered by Keb Mo in the movie 'O Brother Where Art Thou') contains the line, "If I ever get off this shit-assed floor, I won't never sink this low no more" (or some such -- quote is from memory).
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Old 05-09-2003, 10:51 AM
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I was reading an essay on this very topic the other day. It claimed John Lennon's "Working Class Hero" was the first mainstream instance of the word "fuck".
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Old 05-09-2003, 11:01 AM
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There was also "fuck" on Absolutely Free by Frank Zappa, issued in 1967.
Where do you hear that? Do you mean the album Absolutely Free or the song of that name on We're Only In It for the Money?

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I'm pretty sure there was a Kinks record back in the 60s that yelled it loud and proud.
You may be thinking of "Apeman" from 1970. The official lyric is "The air pollution is a-foggin' up my eye," but some listeners believe that Ray Davies is really singing "a-fuckin' up my eye." Similarly, some people insist that Desmond Dekker's "The Israelites" contains the line "My wife and kids they fuck off and leave me" rather than the official "pack up and leave me." Personally, I think these are both in "Louie Louie"-ville, and the innocuous official lyrics are the correct ones.

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"Uncle John's Band," by the Grateful Dead contains the words "God Damn!," and came out in 1970. It did manage to make the charts, unlike a few of the others mentioned here that were more album cuts.
However, the "Goddamn" was edited out of the single version.

Not a major label release, but "Miss Morse" by Pearls Before Swine's 1967 debut album had a chorus that consisted of F-U-C-K in Morse code! Dit-dit-dahhh-dit...
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Old 05-09-2003, 11:13 AM
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Its not "fuck" or "shit", but on ? and the Mysterians' "Girl You Captivate Me", the bands other hit, Question Mark sings "Girl, you masturbate me". That was, maybe '66 or something. There's a few other 60s garage songs that I can't think of right now that say 'fuck', shit, and even cunt and like others had said, pre-late 50s Blues and R&B had plenty of of things to say about fucking.
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Old 05-09-2003, 11:21 AM
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The Doors song, The End, contains the immortal line, "Mother, I want to fuck you."

I believe the Beatles song Daytripper contains the line, "She's a prick teaser," although it was changed to "big teaser" on lyric sheets.

The Beatles also sang about Penny lane being full of "fish and finger pie," which were both Liverpool slang terms for the female genitalia.
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Old 05-09-2003, 01:42 PM
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Aw, c'mon, most of these are simple attempts to slip a single word past the censors. Gotta give more credit for blatant, proud, direct use, I think. I hereby nominate Grace Jones' "The Bullshit Song" from her 1980 album "Warm Leatherette".
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Old 05-09-2003, 01:43 PM
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The Doors song, The End, contains the immortal line, "Mother, I want to fuck you."
Actually, Morrison sings "Mother, I want to . . . aaaaarrrrghhhhh!" - unless you have some recording different than the one I have.
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Old 05-09-2003, 02:56 PM
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Actually, Morrison sings "Mother, I want to . . . aaaaarrrrghhhhh!" - unless you have some recording different than the one I have.
Diogenes may be thinking of the version from the Oliver Stone film...

There was an interview with Doors producer Paul Rothchild in Crawdaddy (reprinted in Paul Williams's book Outlaw Blues) which went into great detail about the recording sessions. Rothchild comments that Morrison screamed at that point because "even for Jim there are cultural limitations." He also points out that at one point Morrison was rhythmically chanting "fuck...fuck...fuck..." (just as he can be heard murmuring "kill...kill...kill..." at the song's climax), but this was mixed down so as to be inaudible on the released record.
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Old 05-09-2003, 08:26 PM
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This won't answer the question, but I thought it was interesting.

Many people know that Jimmy Buffet has a song called "Let's get drunk and screw." In 1936 there was a very popular song done by both Tampa Red and Harlem Hamfats called "Let's get drunk and Truck." But people knew what they were euphemizing. The style of dancing at the time called "trucking"(truckin') was a form of what was previously called "strutting." The older generation hated the word "trucking" which the younger generation loved. I wonder why.
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Old 07-14-2003, 08:18 PM
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Dewey "Pigmeat" Markham, an old black comedian from the Southern vaudeville circuit (known for his "Here Come Da Judge" routine on Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In), claimed in his autobiography that he originated the truckin' craze. He achieved national TV fame late in his life in the crazy 1960s, coinciding with cartoonist R. Crumb reviving the craze with his bigfooted "Keep On Truckin'" cartoons. "Truckin' my blues away!" R. Crumb is a fanatical aficionado of 1920s and 1930s jazz and blues.
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Old 07-14-2003, 09:01 PM
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A thoroughly cheesed-off Joni Mitchell in Woman of Heart and Mind (1972):

After the rush when you come back down
You're always disappointed
Nothing seems to keep you high
Drive your bargains
Push your papers
Win your medals
Fuck your strangers
Don't it leave you on the empty side?
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Old 07-14-2003, 10:04 PM
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Not a major label release, but "Miss Morse" by Pearls Before Swine's 1967 debut album...
Hey! ESP may not have been a MAJOR but they were IMPORTANT! And your mention is the second time an ESP record has been cited as containing early oscenity (see my post in the other dirty lyric thread for a Fugs mention).
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