I did a search on tenses but I couldn’t find an example of this:
You say horrible things.
Betty teaches.
As in you always say horrible things and Betty teaches everyday. Is there a name for this tense or is it considered simple present?
I did a search on tenses but I couldn’t find an example of this:
You say horrible things.
Betty teaches.
As in you always say horrible things and Betty teaches everyday. Is there a name for this tense or is it considered simple present?
In the sentences you’ve presented (pun intended), it’s simple present tense. Your meaning is progressive perfect present tense, though. You’d say, for example, You always say horrible things.
See here.
You mean like an ongoing present tense versus a discrete event present tense? In English? Maybe present progressive qualifies, e.g. “Betty is teaching,” or “you are saying horrible things.” But in that case, your examples aren’t in that tense. Maybe you could elaborate.
…Betty teaches everyday.
Betty teaches ordinary?
Betty teaches commonplace?
Oh, you mean Betty teaches every day (two words). Gotta stop believing those advertising copywriters are trying to be grammatically correct.
Sorry, I don’t know if there’s an official tense designation in English for continuous or ongoing action.
That isn’t progressive present perfect tense.
If it was the sentence would read
You have been saying horrible things.
The two sentences are examples of present tense.
I teach present simple as being used to express:
And QED You can use always in the progressive (aka continuous) tense when expressing exasperation at a repeated action.
I am always forgetting my keys!
when expressing a
Your example is present perfect progressive. Simple present progressive would be “You are saying horrible things.”
I think the aorist tense in classical Greek is pretty close to what the OP is asking for, but there’s nothing like it in English.
Let us take a moment to mourn our lack of the Dative Tense.
progressive perfect present tense? Is that when you’re around a strict liberal who should loosen up?
I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but it sure sounds interesting. This is what a math thread must look for an English major.
What this (and many similar and dissimilar) example shows is that the “present” tense in English is really the tenseless tense. Except for the preterite, English does not do inflected tenses, but rather indicates various times and aspects using auxiliaries. And although you won’t hear it called that by English teachers, the correct discription of the preterite is the perfect tense.
Arrgh!
“must look like to”, of course.
English is not my first language. Does it show?
Mmmm. Math thread looking for English major?
Total hijack, but this reminds about something I read about. Apparently there was a singer in a band that would often play to a very sparse and disinterested crowd, and he would get bored because they sang covers of old standards, so he would change the songs to what I think (fuzzy memory here) is the present progressive plural conditional tense (or something like that).
So, “I love you” turns into “We would have been loving you.”
Hilarity ensues.
Hari Seldon bad. Make brain hurt.
Note to self : stay out of GQs on english. Stick to the geeky techy stuff.*
TaxGuy, I think that’s conditional perfect progressive conditional; plural isn’t a tense designation.
Future perfect progressive is more awkward. “We will have been loving you.”
Also, Paul in Saudi, dative is a case, not a tense.
Okay, English recognizes two present tenses.
The simple present is used for state of being and for habitual action.
“The Statue of Liberty stands in New York Harbor.” (It’s permanent; it’s not about to climb down off its plinth and walk to Philadelphia.)
“Mary teaches fourth grade.” (At the time I’m typing this, she’s probably snuggling up to her husband in bed – but that’s what she does on a regular basis.)
“Congress passes the budget each year.” (Always has, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.)
The present progressive is used for ongoing action:
“John is dancing the tango with Sally.” (Later they’ll get a motel room, but that’s what he’s doing right now.)
“Peter is finishing his homework.”
English rarely uses the historical present but it does occur and should be mentioned for completeness. This is the usage of narrating a past event as though one were present and observing it as it happened. It has to functions: a sense of vividness and immediacy, and allowing a bit more room for the sequencing of events – i.e., fewer “This had happened immediately after that had been completed” double pluperfects.
Forgive me. I understand the Language of Shakespeare to have four present tenses each with two voices.
“I do” (present simple)
“I am doing” (present progressive or present continious as you prefer)
“I have done” (present perfect)
and
“I have been doing” (present perfect progressive)
Am I mistaken?
It is inflected. Although not by much. Note S in 3rd per sing.
I walk
you walk
he/she/it walkS
we walk
you walk
they walk
The auxiliary used with the present tense is do/does. It’s used in questions
ex. What do you want? Do you smell that?
negatives
ex. “I don’t care,” said Pierre.
and for emphasis
ex. I do care. I really do.
Hari Seldon
Can you give us an example sentence for the preterite vs. simple past tense?
Don’t forget about using present for reporting on ongoing actions…
Present simple - He shoots! He scores!!
Present continuous - I can’t believe this is happening!!
Okay let’s define a few words for this discussion. I am using definitions from:
http://www.sil.org/linguistics/GlossaryOfLinguisticTerms/GlossaryLinguisticsT.htm
“Tense is a grammatical category, typically marked on the verb, that deictically refers to the time of the event or state denoted by the verb in relation to some other temporal reference point.”
“Absolute tense is a tense that refers to a time in relation to the moment of utterance.”
“Present tense is an absolute tense that refers to the moment of utterance. It often refers to events or states that do not merely coincide with the moment of utterance, such as those that are
continuous, habitual, or lawlike.”
So, yes, what you wrote are examples of present tense because they all have something to do with present.
The word in blue shows that the absolute tense is present.
“I (do) like chocolate.” (present simple-but this doesn’t have to have a marking as it is understood. See my previous post about inflection)
“I am doing my homework” (present progressive or present continuous)
“I have done that” (present perfect)
and
"I have been doing this " (present perfect progressive)
Then you can look at the aspect of the verb
“Aspect is a grammatical category associated with verbs that expresses a temporal view of the event or state expressed by the verb.”
So this shows us if it’s simple, continuous/progressive, or perfect.
“I like chocolate.” (present simple) - No spoken aspect marker so it’s simple.
“I am doing my homework” (present progressive or present continuous)
“I have done that” (present perfect)
and
"I have been doing this " (present perfect progressive)
You used the word voice. That talks about what the subject of the verb is.
i.e.
Passive Voice- subject is the object and the one doing the action might not even be mentioned.
(She was called the 8th wonder of the world in certain circles.)
vs.
Active voice - the one doing the action is the subject and the object is the object
(I called her Mother.)do
Then we also have modality and that gets into conditionals and the verbs relatioship with reality.
And also a verb can carry agreement of gender (not in english), case (not in english unless you want to consider possesive/genitive), and person and plurality (1st per sing).
I understand most of these tenses and their designated names (finally, something useful comes of taking Latin for all those years!), but, forgive me, I don’t quite understand this tense:
I was always taught that the first example here is simply known as the ‘perfect’ tense. If this is in fact the present perfect, then what would a regular perfect tense look like? (The same goes for the second example: what would a regular perfect progressive look like?).