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Old 10-25-2003, 05:24 PM
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What's the fastest moving object in sports?

I remember that I used to hear that the hockey puck was the fastest moving in all sports(racing not counting as a sport). However, I haven't heard anyone say this for quite some time. This led me to believe that it was true no longer. So, I wondered what overtook the puck. So, what is the fastest moving object in sports? For the purposes of this topic, the object must be propelled only by the strength of one person, without using any machines. A bicycle would count as a machine, a golf club or a hockey stick would not.
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Old 10-25-2003, 05:27 PM
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IIRC, the ball(?) used in jai alai.
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Old 10-25-2003, 05:30 PM
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For the purposes of this topic, the object must be propelled only by the strength of one person, without using any machines.
Dang! I was going to mention the shooting sports!
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Old 10-25-2003, 05:30 PM
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Hockey pucks aren't even close. It's the jai alia ball. Not, mind you, that you'd want to be hit by Ray Bourque's slapshot.
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Old 10-25-2003, 05:57 PM
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Peregrine falcons - used in Falconry - can reach 217 mph during a dive. The fastest Jai Alai speed seems to be 188 mph. Falconry is by definition a sport
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Old 10-25-2003, 05:59 PM
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Yes, but a falcon fails one of the OP's restrictions:
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...the object must be propelled only by the strength of one person...
Nice try.
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Old 10-25-2003, 06:12 PM
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This site claims it's badminton:

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So where does the fastest tennis serve rank among other sports? It is ranked third, trailing behind badminton with a fastest recorded smash of 89 m/s (199 mph) and jai-ala, where a pelota was thrown at 84 m/s (188 mph) in 1979. Hockey and squash are tied for forth place with speeds up to 54 m/s (120 mph).
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Old 10-25-2003, 06:19 PM
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Golf club head (Tiger Woods)? Probably not 199mph, but close I'm sure.
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Old 10-25-2003, 06:31 PM
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Is Archery (including the use of crossbows) allowed? - OK, the object is propelled by the bowstring, but the energy to cock the crossbow (or draw the bowstring) comes entirely from the human.
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Old 10-25-2003, 06:36 PM
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Ack!

Bow/crossbow = machine; ignore me.
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Old 10-25-2003, 06:46 PM
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Well, considering that racquets, hockey sticks, and pelota are simple machines as well....
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Old 10-25-2003, 06:57 PM
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Well, considering that racquets, hockey sticks, and pelota are simple machines as well....
The jai alai equivalent of the racket is called a cesta, whereas the pelota is the ball.
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Old 10-25-2003, 07:15 PM
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I really have to question the 120 mph speed with relation to hockey. That speed is alway attributed to Bobby Hull, who did have one hell of a slapshot. However, that 120 was recorded in the early 1970's and I don't think that the measuring equipment was all that good. Since the NHL has had a skills competition, I think that the fastest shot recorded was maybe 108. I think that is probably a more realistic number than 120.
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Old 10-25-2003, 07:18 PM
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Oopsie. Bad, bad, bad Gorsnak.
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Old 10-25-2003, 08:02 PM
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Would throwing a javelin off a cliff qualify?
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Old 10-25-2003, 08:06 PM
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Is a bullwhip used in any sport? Because the tip exceeds the speed of sound, making the [i]crack[p/i] sound.
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Old 10-25-2003, 08:08 PM
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...and my coding exceeds the speed of "D'oh!"
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Old 10-25-2003, 08:12 PM
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Well, if you're going to excude Bobby Hull's slapshot because it was recorded in the 70's, you also have to exclude the jai-ala record, as it comes from 1979. I think a more likely explanation is the curve of Hull's stick than any changes in measuring equipment.

Also, what in the world is jai-ala? I tried googling it, but I didn't get any explanations. Fear Itself's link gave some pictures, but I'm still unclear as to how to play the game.
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Old 10-25-2003, 09:59 PM
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Well, first off, Rysto, you have to be South American. Then, you become suicidal. Then, you let people bet on whether or not a speeding wooden ball is going to impact your fragile head.

Fun to watch, tho...
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Old 10-25-2003, 10:03 PM
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Jai Alai rules
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Old 10-25-2003, 10:13 PM
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According to some other sites, the pelota is now (maybe always was) hard rubber. I could've sworn it was wood when I first saw a match (as a wee young child somewhere in Tijuana, iirc... ).
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Old 10-25-2003, 10:23 PM
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WAG: ping pong ball initial velocity off the paddle.
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Old 10-25-2003, 10:56 PM
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Al Macinnis- he had fastest slapshot in contests over the yrs-timed at about 110 mph. Roscoe Tanner had a 160mph serve-it got him in jail recently-was serving drugs to an undercover cop. Actually it would be the ammo used in target shooting-(or trap & skeet) these are sports- about 700mph?
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Old 10-25-2003, 11:05 PM
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Actually it would be the ammo used in target shooting-(or trap & skeet) these are sports- about 700mph?
Not eligible for consideration under the terms of the OP.
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Old 10-25-2003, 11:06 PM
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Al Macinnis- he had fastest slapshot in contests over the yrs-timed at about 110 mph. Roscoe Tanner had a 160mph serve-it got him in jail recently-was serving drugs to an undercover cop. Actually it would be the ammo used in target shooting-(or trap & skeet) these are sports- about 700mph?
doctordoowop, did you read any of the thread? First, regarding ammunition, the OP had this to say:
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For the purposes of this topic, the object must be propelled only by the strength of one person, without using any machines.
And second, regarding the 110 and 160 mph speeds, those are apparently topped by other records, in both badminton (surpise to me) and jai-alai.
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Old 10-25-2003, 11:20 PM
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Some problems, No Clue Boy

"Well, first off, Rysto, you have to be South American. Then, you become suicidal. Then, you let people bet on whether or not a speeding wooden ball is going to impact your fragile head."

Actually, jai alai originated in the Basque region of Spain. Most players historically were Basques (some from across the border with France).

I am originally from Miami and many a day I should have been in high school was spent instead at the Miami Jai Alai fronton, known as the Yankee Stadium of jai alai. Michelena, a French Basque, was the best player in those days but Joey, a tall, lithe Jewish guy from North Miami Beach, was probably among the top 5 players. Kent, a whitebread kind of guy, was also competitive. I am sure there were some players with South American roots, too, but it's certainly not a South American game.

As far as fragile heads go, they do wear protective helmets. And they are good at what they do, believe me.

It is my favorite parimutuel because unlike the others, the action can last 20 or 30 minutes, especially if they play to 9 points rather than 7. A horse or dog player only gets a couple minutes' worth of action for the same $2 win bet or whatnot.

If you are ever in Miami, a visit to Miami Jai Alai is a diverting afternoon. The old Cuban guys in their guayaberas (sp?) --- the shirts with 4 pockets in front --- chomping on their cigars, whacking their programs in their palm and disgustedly shouting their epithets in Spanish are worth the price of admission (only $2 itself).
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Old 10-25-2003, 11:30 PM
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Which is pretty much what I remember from actually having seen it in person myself. I don't remember the helmets, but we are talking 1960s childhood memories. (Notice I did post a non joke link in the post immediately following...)
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Old 10-25-2003, 11:33 PM
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bromells, did you guys always use a rubber pelota? Do you remember them ever being wood?

Just wondering if I'm remembering correctly.
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Old 10-31-2003, 11:36 AM
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Interesting thread, I play both jai alai and racquetball, I always heard jai alai was the fastest sport, although 188 mph surprised me, I never had it clocked but I know I can throw it faster than I can hit a racquetball, and I did have the racquetball clocked in a racquetball clinic, with one of those speed guns and my fastest was 138 mph, the fastest player whack it at 152 mph, I assume the pros may even hit the ball faster, we just play at open level.
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Old 10-31-2003, 11:43 AM
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OOOps I didn't see the previous post, jai alai is never played with a wood ball :-) It is played with a ball similar to golf but about three quarters the size of a baseball and the cover is made of goatskin, which is replaced every few games or so. There are other choices for amateurs, a rubber ball, or a platic ball, but no wood. I guess you could say that is sounds like wood when it hits the granite wall, maybe that is why you think is wood.
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Old 10-31-2003, 12:02 PM
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Pod Racers.

Definitely Pod Racers.
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Old 10-31-2003, 12:10 PM
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Not quite legal for the OP since the power comes from Gravity not the person doing it, but ultra high altitude sky diving gives some very fast non machine powered speeds.
See http://www.stratoquest.com/default.cfm?page=2 which quotes an expected speed of 885 mph.
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Old 10-31-2003, 12:21 PM
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Golf club head (Tiger Woods)? Probably not 199mph, but close I'm sure.
Nah - the fastest club head speeds (Tiger isn't the fastest around) are only in the high 150s, occasionally the low 160s. The ball leaves the club face faster than that (170s-190s if I recall), so a John Daly drive might be a contender here.
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Old 10-31-2003, 12:35 PM
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I'm not the only one who would like Cecil to take a whack at this, right?

(Or did I just jinx that possibility right out of existence?)
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Old 10-31-2003, 01:04 PM
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I swear the record must have been set by this kid named Anotonio during a recess game of dodgeball in 4th grade. I still have nightmares.
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Old 10-31-2003, 01:05 PM
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That may be it, flusyndrome. The last time I saw one in person, I was a child, so maybe I just thought it was wood.

btw, Welcome to the Dope!
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Old 10-31-2003, 01:11 PM
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I have an incredible tape of a Grateful Dead concert played at the Miami Jai Lai Fonton in June 1974. Having seen the sport played (at least on TV), I can't for the life of me figure up where they put the stage and how the setting worked. Still, an amazing show.
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Old 10-31-2003, 01:33 PM
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Doesn't the 'ball' being chucked around in Lacrosse move pretty damn fast? Does anyone have a speed for it?
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Old 10-31-2003, 02:24 PM
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I wonder how fast the tips of the streamers they sometimes use in gymnastics move.
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Old 10-31-2003, 02:42 PM
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Doesn't the 'ball' being chucked around in Lacrosse move pretty damn fast? Does anyone have a speed for it?
I don't have numbers for it, but in the amount of lax that I've watched (and I've watched a goodly amount), I'd say that it's sub 100mph most of the time, and might hit 120 if someone took an amazing shot.

And, why the quotes around 'ball'?
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Old 10-31-2003, 02:55 PM
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Some other possibilities for a whip-like speed I can think of but find no data for.
The tip of a Fencing Foil.
The tip of a Fishing Rod.
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Old 10-31-2003, 02:57 PM
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I'd agree Jai alai, but we always thought our lacrosse ball was getting up over 110mph pretty easily.
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Old 10-31-2003, 04:02 PM
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Hey Figaro,

Now I don't claim to be a physicist, but how is it possible for a golf ball to leave travelling faster than the club face?

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Old 10-31-2003, 04:18 PM
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IANAP, but I'd guess it's because the ball is elastic, compressing when the club face hits it, and it "springs" back to its old shape off the club face, adding X miles per hour to its launch speed.
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Old 10-31-2003, 04:33 PM
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Yes look up Newtonian mechanics elastic collision on a web site and wear your thinking cap. It comes down to the maximum velocity of a light elastic object hit by a heavy elastic object is twice the velocity of the heavy object.
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Old 10-31-2003, 04:43 PM
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I think it is Jose Canseco's Porsche.
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Old 10-31-2003, 05:06 PM
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I have read somewhere about the elasticity theory, matter of fact, I am pretty sure the jai alai ball has been clocked substantially faster coming off the wall than thrown. Just for the heck of it, try bouncing a golf ball off the floor, you'd see you may just toss it gently and still it will bounce up much faster.
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Old 10-31-2003, 05:14 PM
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I'd agree Jai alai, but we always thought our lacrosse ball was getting up over 110mph pretty easily.
A lax ball isn't going much over 100 on even the harder shots in the pros. Jesse Hubbard and the like might be getting it up to 110 or so, but I really doubt that anybody's shooting much faster than that. It just seems like it when it hits you.

According to this site the fastest shot at the MLL All Star game in 2002 was clocked at 108 mph.
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Old 10-31-2003, 05:47 PM
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flusyndrome unless the ball loses mass when it returns from the wall it cannot bounce back with greater speed than it hit the wall. But this is all simple physics and not relivent to the OP.

Does anyone have more information or links on the Badminton smash speed record?
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Old 10-31-2003, 05:52 PM
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So I suppose my guess of curling doesn't make the cut?
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