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Old 03-11-2004, 10:26 AM
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Why Do Hookers Utilize Pimps?

Why would a prostitute hand over a significant percentage of her hard-earned income to a pimp? What do pimps do for prostitutes besides taking their money??

Pimps don't appear to do anything to increase a prostitute's earnings capability, nor do they do anything that I'm aware of to make the hooker's job any easier. So why would a prostitute want to hire one?

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Old 03-11-2004, 10:30 AM
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Why would a prostitute hand over a significant percentage of her hard-earned income to a pimp?
As far as I know, it's a protection racket. Hookers don't utilize pimps, pimps utilize hookers.
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Old 03-11-2004, 10:32 AM
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It's the other way around. Pimps exploit prostitutes. Illegally working in the sex trade is a very dangerous thing to do - any hint of protection is welcome. 'Clients' are less likely to cause nasty problems if they know there's a big scary pimp expecting his cut of the money.
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Old 03-11-2004, 10:40 AM
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GorillaMan-"'Clients' are less likely to cause nasty problems if they know there's a big scary pimp expecting his cut of the money."

But how would a client ever know whether or not a prostitute had a big scary pimp?

She could just lie and say she did, and that way she wouldn't have to forego any of her income.
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Old 03-11-2004, 10:44 AM
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The way it's supposed to work is that the pimp protects them on the street, makes outside contacts for specific call services, provides bail money if they get picked up by the cops, finds them places to live if they have to move out of their place, and so on.

The way it usually works is that he gets to make a lot of money off the women working for him and doesn't do much in return. The problem with being without a pimp is that in a lot of areas, the pimps do watch what they consider their streets, and someone without a pimp is going to find themselves in a world of hurt.
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:04 AM
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So what's cool about PIMP t-shirts?
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:08 AM
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Why does an athlete need an agent?

Same thing.
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:13 AM
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I imagine if you tried to hook free-lance in some neighborhoods, you'll find yourself beat up or dead.
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:18 AM
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Why is being a "pimp" considered cool (among rappers and such)?

What's attractive about the "I exploit women and take the money they get from selling their bodies" persona?

Seriously, I've been wondering this for a long time.
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:20 AM
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The pimp also provides emotional support, much in the way a woman stays with an abusive man because he'll treat her especially nicely from time to time.
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:30 AM
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I also seem to recall the theory that the pimp, by taking all of the whore's money and rationing some of it back to her, and using some of what he takes to provide for her meals and a roof over her head, actually keeps her from blowing it all on drugs in one shot, and thus provides a bizarre sort of economic assistance. I don't know -- nothing that people do is simple, in my experience.
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:56 AM
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As several others have said, it has to do with support and protection. Why do prostitutes give the pimps money? Well, pimpin' ain't easy (or so I've heard).

I would also guess that a lot of the time it is the pimp that is exploiting the prostitute. I'll take this opportunity to plug the best program on public radio, This American Life. TAL ran an episode called "Pimp Anthropology." Seeing how I have no real life experience with this type of life style, I don't know how insightful it might be to someone in the "game," but I found it to be interesting. A former (?) pimp was interviewed and talked about some of the things he did. If I remember correctly, he started pimpin' by getting his girlfriend (at the time) to perform some act on one of his buddies. He told her something about how they could really use the money, and you already know the guy, it wouldn't be so bad, etc. Kind of a "foot-in-the-door" method.

For the question about why it is so popular in hip-hop culture probably has to do with where the rappers have come from. Pimps usually have money, and have a power over "their" women. That's just a guess though.
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Old 03-11-2004, 12:36 PM
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I'm hardly an expert but if TV is to be believed (and who would dare doubt TV?) the "women" who end up with pimps are hardly women in the first place. They're young girls (and boys), probably runaways, and the pimp represents a source of stability and authority. A relationship of psychological dependence is created so even if the prostitute were physically and intellectually capable of either operating on her own or getting out of the business, she's emotionally incapable of it.
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Old 03-11-2004, 01:03 PM
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Otto nailed it.

Pimps are usually the ones who seduce emotionally fragile girls who sort of "fall in love", then beat 'em up a time or two so they learn who's boss, and put them on the street.

The prostitutes think they "can't get away" from Drexler or Guido - that he would kill them if they tried to leave.


The exception might be something like an escort service - a glorified pimp that actually provides the service of providing an upscale clientele.
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Old 03-11-2004, 02:00 PM
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As far as the hip hop culture goes, I thought it was pretty obvious that pimps represent power, masculinity, and are always depicted wearing flashy clothes, throwing money around, snorting coke, and having lots and lots of women available to do whatever they want with at any time.

My sociology teacher would call this "tough guise"--the image of exaggerated masculinity that the media presents and that young ethnic men are most influenced by.
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Old 03-11-2004, 02:36 PM
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This is a weird question. Kind of like asking "Why do cats utilise fleas?"
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Old 03-11-2004, 02:49 PM
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Why do employees need managers? Didn't Karl Marx ask that question or am i thinking of someone else?

I've read some stuff by Iceberg Slim who was a pimp in the 30s-50s and who later became an author and he more or less said it was because pimps motivate, provide direction, advice, company and protection. one trick many of them do is to pretend they are investing their prostitutes money in high yield underworld dealings and that both of them will be rich in 10 years or so in order to keep them bringing in money (but they really just blow it on drugs & cars) as an example of why prostitutes have pimps. He also said most prostitutes are masochists with severe self worth issues. I guess that attracts women to that kind of person too.

He also said that with the feminist movement and black power movement that hookers (who were mostly black women in his day) feel empowered enough to not need a pimp starting in the 70s or so. So i guess cultural stereotypes of subservience and dependence on males played a role too, the same way that in modern society children take it for granted that they need adults to tell them what to do and to provide for them.

Based on things i've read I've noticed that the relationships between prostitutes & pimps is very similiar to the relationships between cult followers and local leaders.
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Old 01-31-2011, 12:21 AM
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Pimps

Im an ex prostitute and I found myself a pimp, he did not find me. Not all pimps are bad news some are ok. Mine would not allow me to use drugs, none if his girl were under age and most of us were doing it on our own. Its not smart doing it on ur own. I.bz have no regrets about the choices I made, made about $500.00 to $700.00 on a good night and yes I handed over the money freely. Its really no diff than a husband and wife pooling their money togethet to pay bills, entertaining, clothes, cars etc. when I left the business years ago he gave me money and I left freely no hassles.
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Old 01-31-2011, 12:28 AM
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So did your pimp take 100% of your earnings? I've read that some do, and in exchange, the pimp basically provides their living accomodations, food, or drugs or material rewards.
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Old 01-31-2011, 12:30 AM
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Tangential question - do pimps get free service whenever they feel like it?
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Old 01-31-2011, 12:49 AM
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Where prostitution is illegal, the pimp can also be a layer of protection between the sex worker/client and the police. One of the reported consequences of the criminalisation policy that was brought in in Sweden in 1999 is that formerly independent sex workers have turned to pimps as a "middleman" because they were finding it too difficult to operate on their own.
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Old 01-31-2011, 12:58 AM
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I had the honour of meeting the Mayflower Madame (Sydney Biddle Barrows) at a business seminar some years ago, and I was impressed. As Tbaby attests (although I do not know if she was one of Ms. Barrows' ladies), Ms. Barrows would not allow her employees to use drugs, she made sure the young ladies were of age, and she made sure that they were doing what they were doing of their own free will. I will say that after speaking with Ms. Barrows, it was difficult thinking of her as a "pimp," although I suppose that's what she was. Regardless, I will agree with Tbaby that based on my talk with Ms. Barrows that it is possible that escorts can be paid well for their services, and they can leave freely. Of course, this may depend on the service they are working for, but in some services, it is certainly possible.
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:12 AM
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I imagine if you tried to hook free-lance in some neighborhoods, you'll find yourself beat up or dead.
Or even simpler, the pimp just tips off the local police to this freelance hooker. They come and arrest her. So the police function to keep freelance hookers off the street. Even if they were honest cops, not taking bribes from the pimps, the result is the same.
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:52 AM
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I also seem to recall the theory that the pimp, by taking all of the whore's money and rationing some of it back to her, and using some of what he takes to provide for her meals and a roof over her head, actually keeps her from blowing it all on drugs in one shot, and thus provides a bizarre sort of economic assistance. I don't know -- nothing that people do is simple, in my experience.
I was into the heroin scene in West Baltimore for the better part of 10 years and came to be acquainted with several prostitutes. About half of them had pimps, and the reason they gave for having one was exactly what you stated----the girls felt themselves unable to manage money due to their extreme drug intake, so the pimp provided a sort of financial structure as well as the illusion of protection against unsavory customers (the girls were well aware of this illusion, since there was no way a pimp could protect her from a violent john unless he actually went along to chaparone the "date").
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:59 AM
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Are There Still "Houses of Ill Repute"?

..er, whorehouses? It would seem that brothels offer many advantages over streetwalking-it is safer and you are less likely to be arrested.
There was one such establishment in Boston-the neighbors grew suspicious 9lots of coming and going by clients). Evntually, the place was busted.
I allways liked that expression "house of ill repute".
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Old 01-31-2011, 10:48 AM
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Old 01-31-2011, 02:45 PM
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Hey, better than zombie whores.
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:33 PM
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Why is being a "pimp" considered cool (among rappers and such)?

What's attractive about the "I exploit women and take the money they get from selling their bodies" persona?

Seriously, I've been wondering this for a long time.
It's a leftover from when having multiple wives meant you were rich and important. It's the same reason having multiple booty calls is considered cool. It means you have POWER.

The fact that it is inherently misogynistic is generally only grasped at a higher level thinking.
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:52 PM
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Tangential question - do pimps get free service whenever they feel like it?
Of course they do. Now get back out on the streets and get me my money, Isamu.
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:06 PM
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Why is being a "pimp" considered cool (among rappers and such)?

What's attractive about the "I exploit women and take the money they get from selling their bodies" persona?

Seriously, I've been wondering this for a long time.
"Why Snoop be letting his mink drag on the floor?
That’s pimp shit, something you wouldn’t know."

Rapers think pimping is cool for the same reason they think everything gangsta is cool. Although "pimpin'" (which aint easy), is only tangentially related to actual prostitute wranglers. Mostly it seems to be a garish display of retro 70s conspicuous consumption.
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:41 PM
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It's a leftover from when having multiple wives meant you were rich and important. It's the same reason having multiple booty calls is considered cool. It means you have POWER.
I agree except that I don't think it's necessarily a holdover.

In the abstract, not just thinking about pimps, being successful with women is something hugely respected by society and I think a primary reason is because men who have hot girlfriend(s) have something that other men wish they had.

We respect these guys even though as we look towards the more numerically successful guys they tend to be complete jerks. Note the "player" meme.

In terms of pimps, there's overlap between the player and pimp stereotypes, and in fact sometimes when people call themselves pimps now they actually mean something like player.
Or they mean they dress and talk fancy and have power over women. I haven't seen recent examples of guys who specifically want you to believe they beat and prostitute underage girls.
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:57 PM
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Rapers think pimping is cool for the same reason they think everything gangsta is cool.
Interesting typo, there.
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:26 PM
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interesting typo, there.
not another one of those threads!
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:01 AM
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..er, whorehouses? It would seem that brothels offer many advantages over streetwalking-it is safer and you are less likely to be arrested.
Many of the 'whorehouses' seem to have moved online, and become what is called outcall services. A client locates them online (or via flyers or bar rag papers), phones them, and arranges for a girl to come to his house/office/hotel room, or to meet them at a specified location (usually a motel that rents rooms by the hour).

And the "less likely to be arrested" part -- that isn't always true. Such houses (or advertised outcall services) soon become known to local cops, and it's pretty easy for local vice cops to visit the whorehouse or phone an outcall service and then bust them. Probably easier than going out in the cold, mean streets to get a hooker.

A few years ago, that caused disagreements with the police department here. People complained, so the local vice squad started busting the whorehouse and outcall services here. Because that was easy for them to do. But citizens complained that it was the streetwalking hookers that were causing problems, and the johns who would approach any woman on the street or standing at a bus stop and make offers. Those were the ones the public wanted arrested -- the others were quiet and non-disruptive to citizens, and should have been a much lower priority. But the police department didn't do it that way. (There were suggestions from some citizens that the vice squad was targeting whorehouses & outcall services because they were more able to pay bribes to be left alone.)
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:41 AM
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While I don't have direct experience, at a guess I would think the "protection" part of pimping isn't necessarily a racket. Whenever you do something illegal for a living, you can't go to the cops any more, no matter the reason. Which makes one extremely vulnerable to other people who do illegal things for a living.
FWIW, that's the main appeal of organized crime and the Mafia as well - sure, you got to give them a piece of your action, but when Joey The Wrench is a phone call away people don't try to rough you up & nick your stuff so often.
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Old 02-01-2011, 07:48 AM
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Although I don't know the career path to enter the pimping trade --- school careers advice never offered this option --- the blog 'The Airing of Grievances' nicked an actual business plan from 'Youth Radio' last December.

Youth Radio was doing an investigation on trafficking and came across some pimp's business plan. It's every bit as ridiculous and awesome as you might have guessed. Apparently pimps are exactly how we've stereotyped them!
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Old 02-01-2011, 07:51 AM
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They're pimpin' everybody out here!
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Old 02-01-2011, 07:55 AM
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Uh... it posted whilst I was still typing...



It's very like any business motivational course...



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Youth Radio

The FBI estimates that a mid-level trafficker can make more than $500,000 dollars a year by marketing just four girls.

Transcript: Keep It Pimpin

(Note: Places where text is missing marked with ellipses)

Keep It Pimpin

More serious about my money and future…this pimpin like it’s a business (only except their best)

Take care my bitches more better

…Other ways to work my hoes (internet, int. feature dancers, int. stud)

Discover hoes from all over (jail house) Small cities nationwide got hoes that…to be discovered. Stay in high pursuit looking for a prostitute.

Don’t never get too comfortable or lazy in my position.

Maintain and campaign (everything I do or buy. Make sure it’s a campaign tool)

…My word is my bond (keep it pimpin!)

Attend the Players Ball in Vegas (cross country pimpin! Establish my name internationally)

Take my game to the next level (from the concrete streets, to the executive suites).

Pimp or Die, Mack or Cry (play to win and plan to the end)

Set up a international operation (have five hoes on every coast

…Every hoe take a vow to hoeing!

…first, ass last! If I’m gonna take a chance, then I’m gonna the hoes money in advance!

Put my city on the map and establish my own players…

Stack money to the ceiling (safety deposit box)

Cash cars (buy not good cash cars that way I will…have cars if something goes bad.)

Minimize my budget (cash cars, houses, etc.)

Keep a good photographer (Split Second Video/Kings Flea Market)

Get in touch with Big Al out of Florida




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Old 02-01-2011, 08:58 AM
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Watch the Henry Winkler/Michael Keaton movie Night Shift. Sure, it's a comedy, and hardly a documentary, but given the OP (zombified) question, I'd say it can still give a decent answer.
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Old 02-01-2011, 09:36 AM
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Rapers think pimping is cool for the same reason they think everything gangsta is cool.
The word is "rapist", not "raper".
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Old 02-01-2011, 12:25 PM
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If I’m gonna take a chance, then I’m gonna the hoes money in advance!
I accidentally my ho's money!
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:23 PM
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John, the word meant was "Rappers".
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:38 PM
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My girls got me started. Many people think of pimps of what they see on TV. I got started doing Body rubs known as a Rub and Tug. They wanted to make more money so they asked me. I have put more girls thru collage seen more buy cars and get apartments and get boob jobs with their money. I dont know about how anyone else works but I work my ass off. I am at the puter 8 hours a day. None of mine do drugs smoke or even drink.

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Old 08-19-2011, 04:47 PM
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My girls got me started. Many people think of pimps of what they see on TV. I got started doing Body rubs known as a Rub and Tug. They wanted to make more money so they asked me. I have put more girls thru collage seen more buy cars and get apartments and get boob jobs with their money. I dont know about how anyone else works but I work my ass off. I am at the puter 8 hours a day. None of mine do drugs smoke or even drink.
But you do have the wide-brinmmed fur hat, right?
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Old 08-19-2011, 05:40 PM
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But you do have the wide-brinmmed fur hat, right?

Nope flip flops T shirts and shorts. Sorry!
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Old 08-19-2011, 05:45 PM
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Pimps don't appear to do anything to increase a prostitute's earnings capability, nor do they do anything that I'm aware of to make the hooker's job any easier. So why would a prostitute want to hire one?

You have no idea what your talking about!
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:54 PM
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Your pimp name is "Pimpster?" You use your computer to pimp, then brag about it on random message boards?
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Old 08-19-2011, 07:49 PM
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..er, whorehouses? It would seem that brothels offer many advantages over streetwalking-it is safer and you are less likely to be arrested.
There was one such establishment in Boston-the neighbors grew suspicious 9lots of coming and going by clients). Evntually, the place was busted.
I allways liked that expression "house of ill repute".
Of course (NYC here). Not everyone wants to bring a woman home, much less rent a hourly hotel (fleabags).l A detective friend of mine said that the idea of the houses being protected by cops on the take is way overblown. They don't give a fuck, he said, unless some political or strong neighborhood pressure makes them take action, usually by suggesting the Madam take her operation elsware.
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Old 08-19-2011, 07:54 PM
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My girls got me started. Many people think of pimps of what they see on TV. I got started doing Body rubs known as a Rub and Tug. They wanted to make more money so they asked me. I have put more girls thru collage seen more buy cars and get apartments and get boob jobs with their money. I dont know about how anyone else works but I work my ass off. I am at the puter 8 hours a day. None of mine do drugs smoke or even drink.
"I have put more girls thru collage..." Um, how about you take a break from giving the girls a edgamacation and get yourself through college
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Old 08-20-2011, 03:09 AM
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Pimps don't appear to do anything to increase a prostitute's earnings capability, nor do they do anything that I'm aware of to make the hooker's job any easier. So why would a prostitute want to hire one?

You have no idea what your talking about!
I have no idea about what whose talking about?
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