Aaarrrggghhh!

I will not reply to the religion thread. I will not reply to the religion thread. I will not reply to the religion thread. I will not reply to the religion thread. I will not reply to the religion thread.

Can someone save me a good seat in Hell?

And didn't I have the same conversation with JWB once?

You can sit next to me, if you want. I plan to bring a package of weenies.

You cannot escape the dark side of the thread. We are everywhere. Give in and come over to the dark side.
Are you a rightous Christian or a godless heathen? one simple question can't possibly be addictive!

Going to hell, eh? Well, cheer up . . .

[i] 14 Best Things About Hell:

14. None of that annoying check-in procedure like with St. Peter.

13. Due to recent health code changes, vats of boiling brimstone now use low-fat canola oil.

12. Your "Do you smell something burning?" slays 'em, year after year.

11. Plenty of legal help available for filing "wrongful death" lawsuit.

10. Newly passed law: Three strikes and you're back in LA.

9. Satan's confused attempts to torture masochists can be highly entertaining.

8. Well, sure, it's hot, but it's a *dry* heat.

7. The surprisingly entertaining "Hitler and Kathie Lee Show."

6. Prizes awarded for best crank phone calls to God.

5. Everywhere you look, there's a smoking section!

4. Free Microsoft software for everyone (as per agreement made back in early 80's).

3. Saturday night WWF tag-team bout between Genghis Khan, Vlad the Impaler, and Hitler.

2. Everyone gets a length of pipe and a daily crack at Nancy Kerrigan's knee.

1. There's a fortune to be made on "Welcome, O.J." t-shirts.

Kat, be strong. I always swear I will not be drawn into a religion thread, and this time I've been very good. I haven't yet felt the need to tell that ignorant inbred snake-grabber what I think of him.


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Dr. Fidelius, Charlatan
Associate Curator Anomalous Paleontology, Miskatonic University
"You cannot reason a man out of a position that he did not reach through reason."

Holly: You can sit next to me, if you want. I plan to bring a package of weenies.

--Cool! I'll bring condiments. Who's bringing marshmallows?

Slythe: You cannot escape the dark side of the thread. We are everywhere. Give in and come over to the dark side.
Are you a rightous Christian or a godless heathen? one simple question can't possibly be addictive!

--I believe he thinks I'm a godless heathen, but I'm actually a blasphemer. I've written 2 posts already on that thread, but I've resolved not to make any more.

Unfortunately, I took the bait (on the great debates part of the net, I think) and swallowed it whole. I already agreed there that I'd bring the marshmallows.

PR

Hey Kat, how do you like your lightning, ball, chain, greased, or other? Which ghod are you blaspheming against, or is it all of them?
Actually, the G.D. Debate(damn, I love that abbreviation!) has calmed down a bit, because ARG220 is momentarily computerless.
GR8Kat, DO come in. Sometimes you can't learn something unless it is written on the side of a two-by-four, and the more people that join in the more sides of each argument are seen.
If nothing else, you learn HOW to argue effectively by seeing how people react to what you say.

I do my damnedest to stay out of the entire Great Debates forum. I won't win, and I'll just end up crying.

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"I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it," Jack Handy

GR8Kat, DO come in. Sometimes you can't learn something unless it is written on the side of a two-by-four, and the more people that join in the more sides of each argument are seen.

I just don't like to argue. I prefer to just read other people's arguments. But I get sucked in sometimes, and then I take everything personally. I just don't have the intestinal fortitude, I guess

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"I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it," Jack Handy

ROFL. Two, non-smoking please.

Dang, now I HAVE to read it just
to see what that "ignorant inbred
snake-grabber" said. If I'm not back
in 2 hours, send out the dogs.

GR8Kat, I've read your posts, and you are precisely the type we need over in the G.D. Debates. Reasoned intelligence is a plus, believe me.

Would you like some mind-candy, little girl? We won't hurt you. promise!

Holly, the weenies are all up in Heaven. At least according to them.

Hey Kat, how do you like your lightning, ball, chain, greased, or other? Which ghod are you blaspheming against, or is it all of them?

Make mine White Lightning, please.

And I blaspheme against ARG's God, of course, because I do not believe that ARG is not the supreme authority on God and I believe that he is arrogant to think that he is. I suppose that I am also a heretic (an heretic?) as well as a blasphemer, because I don't worship the ARG God.

That should be "I don't believe ARG is the supreme authority on God".

My my my. What have we here? Now I'm a snake handler? Please. I must admit it's odd reading insults about myself. (Was that correct English?) Anyway.

A heck, I'm not even going to defend myself. It's pointless to try. It just makes me sad that you poke fun at hell. It's a place of eternal torment and you're talking about bringing hot dogs. I know you're being sarcastic, because you don't believe that hell even exists. The saddest part will be when you realize it does.

Silly, silly ARG220...
We were refering to you, not to hell itself.
Though at times it is hard to tell the difference, due to your insistance at talking down at everyone, and you constant circular reasoning.

Ok, Holly, Kat, and Lissa poked fun at hell, talking about marshmallows, and hot dogs. And others have spoken of bear, and Mark Twain in hell. (On the other threads)

Well, it's all fun and games, until somebody gets hurt.

So, I guess my next question is: Do you all think I'm some sort of freak, or zealot?

I have to agree with you, that many people do extremely stupid things, "in the name of God." And it's those individuals (and sometimes whole groups) that give an awful reputation to the body of Christ, i.e. the Christian church.

Some people hear the word "Christian" and go crazy, because they know of some freak who killed the abortion doctor, or some nut who commited a horrible crime "in God's name." For the millions of us God-fearing, peace-loving Christians, this just rattles our cages. Because then when we try to show the world that God loves them, and that WE love them, they'll have none of it.

ARG220, please remember that this is NOT the Great God Debate thread. Thank you.

Slythe: I was just responding to Hannu's post. Besides, this whole "Arrrrgghhh!" thread is about either me, hell, or religion.
BTW, Kat: Is the title of this thread a direct insult on my screen name? If so, I must say it's clever. (I'll never understand why my parents CHOSE my initials to be A.R.G.)

Adam

Um, no, ARG, "Argh" is the generally accepted phonetic spelling of a person screaming. Not everything is about you.

And this thread is not expressly about you, Hell or religion but rather about expressing frustration about people who have no reading comprehension in regards to ideas that contradict decisions they made when they were 7 years old. Close-mindedness is also an acceptable topic.

Please note, this is the BBQ Pit, so if you continue to post in this thread in the vein you do on other threads, I reserve the right to call you God-boy in my next response.

Hmmm...I have always found religious freaks and zealots rather worrisome creatures. The torture, maim and kill all in the name of god, and righteous religion.



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Cogito Ergo Vroom
I think therefore I ride fast...

Kat... speaking of decisions made by 7 year olds...


I think it should be considered child abuse to make a child attend any kind of religious training before the age of 16. It's a form of mind control.

I really abhor the idea that parents sort of "own" their children, so they can mold their minds in any ol' way they please. Yuck.

I am forever thankful that I was raised a heathen, that I might make my own decisions and discoveries when I was old enough to be asking the questions.

(And no, I am not an atheist!)_



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Stoidela

Don't meddle in the affairs of dragons, cuz, like, you're crunchy
and taste good with ketchup.

Stoidela wrote:

Kat... speaking of decisions made by 7 year olds...

I think it should be considered child abuse to make a child attend any kind of religious training before the age of 16. It's a form of mind control.

I couldn't disagree more. That's like saying, "I think it should be considered child abuse to warn children about potential hazards and dangers that they will face growing up in today's world. Let their minds be free. Let them learn all lessons in life the hard way, instead of instilling an enduring value system in their minds when they are young, thus enabling them to avoid making bad choices. Why, if I were to warn my child against taking illegal drugs, for instance, I would be practicing 'mind control' over him!"

I will draw fire by saying this, but I believe that a good religious and moral upbringing is essential to the child's present and future welfare.

Are you implying that one must be religious to be moral or ethical? Methinks this can of worms comes with a free can of whoop ass.

No, I'm not.

Than perhaps you meant to say "religious OR moral upbringing", not "religious AND moral upbringing"?

No, I meant religious AND moral. But that's just my ideal. I'm not trying to force it on you by any means. My kids (if I ever have any) will be raised the way I want to raise them, and I'm perfectly willing for you to raise your kids the way you see fit. Peace, okay? I'm not trying to provoke hostility or anything.

I'm going to go to a place of eternal torment. God must really love me!

PS All the hot dogs may be in heaven, but I bet they don't have good condiments.

ARG:

I am quite aware of the "existance" of hell. I went to a Christian school for five years, but emerged relatively unscathed and undoctrinated despite the best efforts of my teachers. I am extremely familiar with the Bible (still can recite enormous chunks of it by heart.) Just wanted you to know that before you shake your head and chalk me up to being a godless heathen blathering about something I don't understand.

So, without further ado, my explanation about my hell post.

There is an obscure concept out there known as "humor," in which statements are worded in a clever or ironic way that makes people experiance a phenomenon known as "laughter."
Sometimes, these statements are referred to as "jokes," and they are occasionally described as being "funny."

'Nuff said.


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Lissa*

* Name has been changed to protect the guilty.

Snark:

I couldn't disagree more. That's like saying, "I think it should be considered child abuse to warn children about potential hazards and dangers that they will face growing up in today's world. Let their minds be free. Let them learn all lessons in life the hard way, instead of instilling an enduring value system in their minds when they are young, thus enabling them to avoid making bad choices. Why, if I were to warn my
child against taking illegal drugs, for instance, I would be practicing 'mind control' over him!"

I will draw fire by saying this, but I believe that a good religious and moral upbringing is essential to the child's present and future welfare.

It is not in the slightest way similar to what you are saying here. I am not advocating anything like that. Of course we must bring up children with strong values and a moral outlook. And such values are BETTER instilled by means OTHER than religion. Why? Because if your value system and morals are based on a religion, and a belief that "God wants it", they are shaky at best, especially if in the end, like many do, you stop believing in that God. Where is your center then? If your whole reason for being good disappears, why be good? Why not just go shoot up a McDonalds?

If your system of values and morality is founded on a strong sense of self, respect for yoruself and others, a desire to be part of the human community, etc., then it lasts. One's beliefs can come and go and be questioned, while the root of your value system remains firm.

Morality based on a religion is simply a means of turning adult human beings back into children afraid of their parents disapproval. I think it much more rewarding to be good because you want to be, because you want to like yourself when you get up in the morning. Because you value yourself and others, not from fear of anything.



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Stoidela

Don't meddle in the affairs of dragons, cuz, like, you're crunchy
and taste good with ketchup.

Since this is the BBQ room...I am really tired of people who want to save you for your own good. Listen, all you well-meaning, non-violent, loving, non-fruitcake Christians (so you say)- leave me alone- don't do me any favors - I don't want to be saved for my own good! I don't want to hear about the wonders of salvation, or what a friend we have in Jesus. I am not interested. Heaven always sounded to me like an interminable Rotarian awards luncheon, anyway. It's YOUR hell, YOU burn in it!

Stoidela wrote:

Morality based on a religion is simply a means of turning adult human beings back into children afraid of their parents disapproval. I think it much more rewarding to be good because you want to be, because you want to like yourself when you get up in the morning. Because you value yourself and others, not from fear of anything.

I agree. And so does my religion. In fact, the LDS church teaches that it is important to examine our motives, whether we are doing good because we love our God and fellow man, or whether we are looking for rewards, or whether we are just looking to avoid punishment. In fact, the LDS church emphasizes that if we don't have proper motives for our good actions, we won't get the highest/best rewards for them.

So if I mow my ill neighbor's lawn because I love him and have concern for him, my motives are much better than if I mow it just to secure blessings from God, which in turn is better than mowing it in order to avoid being punished for NOT mowing it. Doing the right thing for the right reason is emphasized strongly. I have a lot of trouble in this area, personally. I tend to do things only to gain blessings or avoid punishment, so I guess you could say that I try to do the right things, but for the wrong reasons. I need to work on that.

Lissa: There are certain things that are ok to poke fun at. Then there are serious things that deserve our respect. Hell is a place of ETERNAL TORMENT. Why do you make light of it? Ok, let's assume that you think it's pretend. Still, why would you make fun of it?

And yes, this is the BBQ Pit. So, why should any of you care what goes on here, or what I say? I assumed this was a place where anything could be said.

Adam

ARG, I must tell you something very important. Heed this message or die! I am the Leprechaun Queen, the One True magical imp, and your disbelief in me has saddened me. Hark! Did I not send my only begotten son, Lucky, to bear witness of me (check your Sunday paper for valuable coupons)? I have announced my Kingdom on all major network and cable channels; you cannot claim you have not heard my good news. Those who wish to enter my paradise must have faith in me; unfortunately they will eventually perish but in the meantime they will be magically delicious!

Yea Holly, that's really cute. Like I said, it's all fun and games now. But when you die, your chances are gone. You do believe you're going to die don't you? Or is that all fun and games too. Don't make fun a belief system that's been around since the beginning of man. And I may not believe in what Mormons, Muslims, Bhuddists, or even Catholics believe in, but I don't make light of their beliefs.

Adam

No, you don't make fun of them, you just insist that they are wrong and they're all going to hell too.

Can you prove I'm not the Leprechaun Queen?

I'm not afraid to die. Are you?

ARG220, I will use small, easy to understand sentences.
It is not that I don't respect religion.
Though I don't believe, I respect religion.
I just don't respect YOU.
You are not god.
When we critisize you, we are NOT critisizing religion.
O.K.?

To add to Slythe's comments (not quite as simple, so don't be afraid to ask about anything you don't understand, ARG):

1) "Applying a healthy skepticism to information given to you by a church established and run by human beings" is not the same thing as "doubting God".

2) "Parroting church doctrine" is not the same as "understanding God" or "knowing God".

3) Christianity has not been around since the beginning of man.

4) I have no problem with anyone making fun of Hell, because I don't believe I'm going to Hell, or that you're going to Hell, or that Mark Twain is going to Hell.

5) Surely, if God exists, He must have a sense of humor.

6) I have great difficulty (make that "Great Difficulty") accepting the concept of you having discovered the Ultimate Truth and Complete and Total Understanding of God when no one else in the world has. Live with it.

7) Yes, it is arrogant to believe that you and you alone have just happened to discover the Ultimate Truth and Complete and Total Understanding of God when no one else in the world has.

I'm sure I'll come up with more stuff later.

Ok Slythe: Let me use small sentences so YOU can understand.

I know I am NOT God.
But God is my best friend.
So when you criticise God, you criticize me. OK? And BTW, I never expected any of you to respect me. In fact, from the every beginning, I knew that most of you would grow to hate me for the truths that I speak of.

I, however, respect all of you. That is why I made (and am still making) a conscience effort to be humble, even though many of you have torn me to shreds.

And Holly. No, I can't prove that you're not the Leprachaun Queen. But you also haven't flipped the entire world upside down through your teachings either. People aren't willing to die for you. You haven't earned the respect and love of hundreds of millions of people.

And no, I'm NOT afraid to die. In fact, for me, to die is gain. When I die, I'm going home. Heaven is my home. This earthly body, and earthly life pale in comparison to eternity. I can't wait until Jesus comes to take me, and all my brothers and sisters home.

Adam

Of course, you are implying that if we criticise YOU, we criticise god.
Must be lonely when your only friend is invisible and won't talk to you.

I can't wait until Jesus comes to take me, and all my brothers and sisters home.

<ring>
"Hey, Jesus...yeah, time to pick up the kids and take them home...well, they keep squabbling, and they've broken a few things, PLUS, they refuse to act properly in restaurants...ok...thanks...bye"
<click>

Phew. He says he's on His way.

(i did not post to the religion thread...i did not post to the religion thread...i did not...)

Arg:

How is it that He LOVES us SOOOOOOOO much that he would condemn us to ETERNAL TORMENT?

I can't believe you buy into that!

God is LOVE...god has no EGO, god doesn't give a rat's ass WHAT you do with your life, because God recognizes it's all just a show. And god certainly has no interest in seeing you or anyone roast in the fires of hell.

How pathetic, how sad that you choose to buy into such a false and human-centered construct of what god is about, when it is so much simpler than that, so much easier...

Oh well... to each his own.



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Stoidela

Don't meddle in the affairs of dragons, cuz, like, you're crunchy
and taste good with ketchup.

ARG--

You seem unable to get it through your thick brain-washed skull that no one here is criticizing God. What they are doing is making fun of your narrow, bigoted conception of God. God is far too merciful and good to get ticked off at people using the brains He gave them. The belief that he could have had literally BILLIONS of other people whom He will allow to be tortured FOREVER just because they don't agree with what YOUR ignorant little red-neck congregation has been told by their preacher is an incredible INSULT to God. I am sure that He will forgive you for this if you just learn a little HUMILITY and admit that, as a fallible human, you may just be mistaken despite what has been drummed into your mind for the past 2/3rds of your life.

Oh, and as this is the BBQ Pit, I don't even have to pretend to respect your opinions. As I am much older than you, I am sure that I will be Judged before your turn. If you show any indication that you are willing to learn and consider God as a loving father (and a loving father DOES NOT PLAY FAVORITES among his children, despite what every culture has believed) rather than a petty, capricious and cruel despot, I might consider putting in a good word for you to the Judge. Otherwise, you will have to answer to Him for the hatred you show to the majority of His peoples and the way you wasted the potential of your mind by just parroting "hosannas".


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Dr. Fidelius, Charlatan
Associate Curator Anomalous Paleontology, Miskatonic University
"You cannot reason a man out of a position that he did not reach through reason."

I know I am NOT God.
But God is my best friend.

Dear God, is this guy for real?


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KITTEN

He who walk through airport door sideways going to Bangkok. - Confucius

Dear God, is this guy for real?

Unfortunately, yes. See "The Great God Debate, Parts 1-5" for more details. Scary, ain't it?

Oh, and Adam?

And I may not believe in what Mormons, Muslims, Bhuddists, or even Catholics believe in, but I don't make light of their beliefs.

No, you've just said Muslims were wrong and evil, that Catholics and Mormons weren't Christians, and that Mormonism was a "cult." If that isn't making light of their beliefs, explain to me what the hell is. *sigh* You know, it's people like you that keep convincing me to quit being a Christian. Believe whatever the hell you want, just don't try and force it down our throats.

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"Hindu Muslim Catholic creation-evolutionist"
-Neil Peart, RUSH, "You Bet Your Life"

I think it would be child abuse to saw a kitten's arm off.

-Quadell

I think it would be child abuse to saw a kitten's arm off.
-Quadell

Excuse me?



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KITTEN

He who walk through airport door sideways going to Bangkok. - Confucius

Clean up! We've got a non sequitir in Aisle Five!