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Old 05-28-2004, 08:20 AM
TheFifthYear TheFifthYear is offline
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Google Pop-Up Blocker vs. The Drudge Report

I use Google Pop-Up blocker. It's worked great for as long as I've been using it, until now.

Whenever I go to the Drudge Report (and only the Drudge Report), I get pop-up ads. For some reason, Google can't seem to stop the ad on that page. I haven't noticed this on any other site, but admittedly I don't go to all that many.

My question is: Has Drudge/his advertiser figured out how to beat it? Has Google come out with a counter punch? (I coudn't find any upgrade info.) Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 05-28-2004, 08:54 AM
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I have no experience with Google's pop-up blocker, but Firefox and Opera are still blocking any pop-ups at Drudge.

As a WAG, has drudgereport.com somehow been added to your list of sites from which you will accept pop-ups? Does the google bar allow you to set that? Take a walk through the google bar settings and see if something like that happened.
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Old 05-28-2004, 09:09 AM
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I have the Google bar, and it blocks the first pop-up, but allows the second, albeit a blank window. I have noticed that more sites have found a way around the Google bar. Rat bastards.
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Old 05-28-2004, 09:16 AM
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I have the Google bar, and it blocks the first pop-up, but allows the second, albeit a blank window. I have noticed that more sites have found a way around the Google bar. Rat bastards.
Not really sure, but I also have seen this effect and not just with the google pop up stopper. I think it has to do with timing. If it is busy blocking one pop up maybe another sneaks in at that moment? I see it in about 5% of pop ups.
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Old 05-28-2004, 09:19 AM
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Every now and then I hit a page that gets a popup past the Google toolbar. One that consistantly does so is Snopes; I always get a single popup (well, popunder) from there.

I've tried Opera but I get more pages that display odd in Opera than I get popups with IE and the Google Toolbar, so...
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Old 05-28-2004, 09:30 AM
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I still find occassional popups get past Mozilla - ones that are triggered by a mouseover of a region of the page, for example. But these are listed as 'things-to-do' in the Mozilla development pages.
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Old 05-28-2004, 09:42 AM
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Pop-ups are how the website operators pay for the site.

There is a simple and foolproof way to avoid pop ups on Drudgereport. Don't visit Drudgereport anymore.

The site's free, the guy obviously puts time and effort into it and most liely has a 5 figure monthly hosting bill. And yet you begrudge him the oppotunity to pay his overhead.
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Old 05-28-2004, 09:57 AM
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^ Itís a simple question, he didnít request for your approval

Anyways, I too have a Google toolbar question. Back when I was on 56k, the Google Toolbar worked perfectly. Not a single ad ever got through, and it blocked over 5,000. However, ever since I got cable broadband, the Google toolbar has slipped. Now dozens of ads get through. If I had to guess, the toolbar has only blocked half of them. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but no dice.

Any idea why this may have happened, or what I can do?
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Old 05-28-2004, 10:02 AM
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^ Itís a simple question, he didnít request for your approval
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I understand, and I answered his question in the simplest form possible.


If you don't want to view the popups on DrudgeReport.com, do not visit DrudgeReport.com.
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Old 05-28-2004, 10:12 AM
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I understand, and I answered his question in the simplest form possible.


If you don't want to view the popups on DrudgeReport.com, do not visit DrudgeReport.com.
You sound like those people who say we're stealing television if we don't watch the commercials. We're not obligated to take care of his business model for him. I don't recall having to agree to see an ad to view the site. If enough people block the pop-up ads, maybe he'll turn to something less intrusive like banner ads instead.
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Old 05-28-2004, 10:24 AM
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I don't recall having to agree to see an ad to view the site.
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True, but the author of the site is obviously taking the steps to assure his revenue stream. Why would you deny him that? If you like the content and visit the site, what's the big deal? You're helping him keep it running.

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If enough people block the pop-up ads, maybe he'll turn to something less intrusive like banner ads instead.
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Or, more likely, if you deny him the opportunity to generate revenue off of his website he'll just close it and then the web will be like network TV and you can get all of your news and information from 3 or 4 bland, homogonized, politcally correct sources. Also, banner ads pay about $0.50 per 1000 views while pop windows pay about $2.25 per 1000 views. They are not interchangable media types.


I won't post anymore as I have an unpopular opinion and this forum is about giving answers and not opinion.



The reason you see a pop window on drudgereport.com is that he has implemented code which bypasses most pop blockers.
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Old 05-28-2004, 10:41 AM
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Anyways, I too have a Google toolbar question. Back when I was on 56k, the Google Toolbar worked perfectly. Not a single ad ever got through, and it blocked over 5,000. However, ever since I got cable broadband, the Google toolbar has slipped. Now dozens of ads get through. If I had to guess, the toolbar has only blocked half of them. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but no dice.

Any idea why this may have happened, or what I can do?
Sounds like the only solution is another popup blocker, or to go to a browser that blocks them inherently, like Opera or Mozilla. I like Mozilla better, but lots of people like Opera.
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Old 05-28-2004, 10:52 AM
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^ Itís a simple question, he didnít request for your approval

Anyways, I too have a Google toolbar question. Back when I was on 56k, the Google Toolbar worked perfectly. Not a single ad ever got through, and it blocked over 5,000. However, ever since I got cable broadband, the Google toolbar has slipped. Now dozens of ads get through. If I had to guess, the toolbar has only blocked half of them. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but no dice.

Any idea why this may have happened, or what I can do?
BTW, are you using a firewall? You may not have needed one when you where at 56K but you might want to use one now. The free version of ZoneAlarm has worked well for me.
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Old 05-28-2004, 04:05 PM
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BTW, are you using a firewall? You may not have needed one when you where at 56K but you might want to use one now.
I don't think I am. I'll try that, thanks.
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Old 05-28-2004, 04:16 PM
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I also have Google Pop-Up Blocker, and I also get pop up ads from only one site, where I go to get my daily Non Sequitur fix.

No, I do NOT want 21st Century car insurance (most expensive quote I ever got) and I am NOT going to tell a pop-up ad whether or not I think American Troops should pull out of Iraq!!! (although, it would be intersting to see where a click on that window would lead...Govt. keeping tabs on the general populace to flush out potential terrorists, perhaps? )
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Old 05-28-2004, 07:59 PM
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I use a little free one, (16.5 kb) called "Another IE Popup Killer" and I don't have any popups... even on the Drudge Report.

http://www.fadsoft.com/Another%20IE%...p%20Killer.htm
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Old 05-28-2004, 11:11 PM
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Here is a great pop-up blocker test page. Try your pop-up blocker/non-IE browser and report your results here. I would be interested to see how various defenses work.

I have IE6 with the Google toolbar, and I scored 85/100 on the standard tests, failed the floating pop-up in the miscellaneous tests, and 100/100 on the advanced test.
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Old 05-29-2004, 12:17 AM
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I use EMS Freesurfer II and never get popups on Drudge (or practically anyplace else). EMS is freeware too!
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Old 05-29-2004, 06:28 AM
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Pop-ups are how the website operators pay for the site.

There is a simple and foolproof way to avoid pop ups on Drudgereport. Don't visit Drudgereport anymore.

The site's free, the guy obviously puts time and effort into it and most liely has a 5 figure monthly hosting bill. And yet you begrudge him the oppotunity to pay his overhead.
woah, winner for most uncalled for post today?


P.S, Its one thing to have ads, its another to spam pop ups at every single page interval. It is interesting that drudge found away around it. Thats all.
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Old 05-29-2004, 08:52 AM
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Google says the program updates automatically. Google toolbar version history. They tell you how to check your version. I'm up to date and I get that pop-up so they haven't solved it. That's weird, I got it once but now I can't get it to pop up at Drudge, or Snopes, or Box Office Mojo, or TV Tome. Odd.

I used to use Proxomitron. Now that was some powerful code. It blocked all advertising not just pop-ups. Plus it was easy to tell it to back off when you're visiting a special page. When I got my new PC in January I never reinstalled it because I don't really care about pop-ups. A quick alt+tab then alt+F4 and they're dead without a second's thought. It was just a neat toy which made a lot of pages look kinda dead.

Sadly the guy that made it wont be updating it anymore and the last build is about a year old but I bet it still works. Might be worth checking out. It's fairly simple to use. But do read the instructions carefully and keep backups and track of what you change.

Before that I used pop-up stopper. It had an ultra strict setting which would only allow new windows to open if you were holding down the shift button.

Seems like either of those should work. Unless inability to get one of those pop-ups now means that a new update just went through for google.
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Old 05-29-2004, 09:00 AM
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I just rebooted my system and still no pop-ups on any of those sites. All I've got is the google tool bar. Maybe 2.0.111 was a very recent update and fixed the problem.
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Old 05-29-2004, 12:05 PM
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Thanks to everyone who replied. Interesting stuff.

I did the pop-up test, and also scored 85, but I have the same setup as Fear Itself, so that isn't surprising. My results were, "Modeless dialog blocking = Failed" and "User-launched Delayed-method popup allowing = Failed". Everything else passed. Drudge still has a pop-up for me.

I didn't know that the Google Tool Bar updates itself. No wonder I couldn't find a way to update it. Good job, Google. You outsmarted me.
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Old 05-29-2004, 05:54 PM
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Here is a great pop-up blocker test page. Try your pop-up blocker/non-IE browser and report your results here. I would be interested to see how various defenses work.

I have IE6 with the Google toolbar, and I scored 85/100 on the standard tests, failed the floating pop-up in the miscellaneous tests, and 100/100 on the advanced test.

Mozilla Firefox 0.8. 100% score.
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Old 05-29-2004, 06:20 PM
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Mozilla 1.7a RC2 - 95%
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Old 05-29-2004, 06:23 PM
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Just out of interest, I tried it out on plain IE6 - 35%
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Old 05-29-2004, 08:13 PM
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Google Pop Up Blocker alone 100%
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Old 05-29-2004, 08:16 PM
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Google Pop Up Blocker alone 100%

2.0.111 is the version by the way.

And now I know what De parvis grandis acervus erit means.
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Old 05-29-2004, 09:12 PM
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I'm running Opera 7.5, a firewall, and using Proxomitron as my pop up blocker and I couldn't even get the tests in Fear's link to run. No pop ups at Drudge's site, either.
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Old 05-30-2004, 02:10 AM
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I'm running Opera 7.5, a Linksys Router, I have no spyware on my computer, and I got a 45% ?


This is weird because I never get pop-ups in Opera. I ran IE with Google toolbar at work and got probably 2 or 3 popups a day.
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Old 05-30-2004, 02:41 AM
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I'm running Opera 7.5, a Linksys Router, I have no spyware on my computer, and I got a 45% ?


This is weird because I never get pop-ups in Opera. I ran IE with Google toolbar at work and got probably 2 or 3 popups a day.
Yeah, I think the site's got it's stuff screwed up since I've got nearly the same set up (minus the router) and I couldn't even get the tests to run, even though I've got Opera set to accept all pop ups and I've set Proxomitron to kill popups. You'd think that the site would be able to figure all that out since it recommends Proxomitron on one of it's tests.
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Old 05-30-2004, 09:17 AM
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I agree ... the test site is screwy... I also run a router and have no spyware, I got 60%, I run "Another IE Popup Killer" and I never get popups on Drudge or anywhere else!
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Old 05-30-2004, 09:43 AM
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Test score aside, did you get the pop ups on the test site? If so, I'd say that is the proof of the pudding, and Opera isn't as bullet proof as you would like to believe.
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Old 05-30-2004, 10:42 AM
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No, I never got any popups at the test site.
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