What Men Want (racially speaking)

[DougC]

- - - Warning: insensitive stereotyping ahead.
- We ain't talking about what women want here, because it doesn't matter: they aren't getting it anyway if they don't put out.
- It seems to have been common knowledge for as long as I remember, that White guys tend to look at a woman's chest first, and black guys temd to look at a woman's rear. My own experience has shown this to be true - certainly not all the time, but quite a lot of the time for it to be pure chance. I also recall hearing somewhere that British men tend to prefer women with short hair, which one Brit said is "fairly true". I never been there, but short hairstyles do seem to be more common on British women, so I assume it's correct.
- What othere stereotypes have you heard/seen, pertaining to racial/ethnic tendencies? Do Eskimo men look for women shaped like seals? Do Russian men look for women shaped like Vodka bottles? Do Greek men look for women who walk like Clint Eastwood? - MC

[Fiver]

I suspect the best-known racial "fetish" (I use that term advisedly, because I can't think of a less strong word for it) is that of white men for Asian women.

I'll confess to a mild leaning in that direction (my current girlfriend's a Chinese-American), but of course what's most important is what you find inside the skull.

Figuratively speaking, of course.

[Johnny L.A.]

Who cares what "race" a person is?

[RealityChuck]

There are certainly cultural differences about what is considered sexually attractive (the Japanese, I am told, like women with long necks). These differences also change over time (the American fixation with large breasts is relatively recent. Look at the movie sex symbols of the 30s like Jean Harlow). There are also individual quirks that occur due to your early sexual experiences and fantasies (or later ones).

I don't know if you can read too much into it, though. It's a matter of cultural fashion rather than anything inherent in the individual.

[writefetus]

...being a multiracial mutt, I often find my gaze coming to rest around the bottom of the rib cage or navel area...

[Coldfire]

Sir, if you allow me to put it frankly, I'm a caucasian assman.

Which is not to say that all ass I admire needs to be caucasian

I cannot subscribe to the "common" white male - asian female stereotype. I just don't find Asian women attractive. Some are, but I'd have to say that I prefer white or black women over Asian.

Of course, this is all using very broad generalisations. I like beautiful women, and tend to ignore race at first glance. But if you ask me to analyse it, Asian women don't seem to appeal to me.

[Max Torque]

I remember hearing an odd theory years ago concerning why human females are the only mammals that have apparent breasts even while not lactating. The theory: in just about every other mammal species (we're not talkin' about dolphins and the like here), and particularly among the primates, the buttocks of the female are a major point of attraction for the male. Humans are the only species that mate face-to-face. Somewhere along the line, the human species began to selectively breed in favor of what was found most attractive, namely, buttocks in front.

I know, sounds ludicrous, but makes ya think, don't it?

[Kilgore Trout]

Who cares what "race" a person is?

there's always one of these when race comes up in a thread.

tell me this, Mr. L.A.: is there really something
wrong with having a racial preference when it comes to the opposite sex? why?

how is it any different than having a thing for redheads, or men with nice blue eyes much like my own?

of course you had nothing to say about the other preferences, as they wouldn't allow you to be so righteous regarding the ever-so-sensitive topic of race.

so the answer to your question: probably a lot of people. so?

[SuaSponte]

To me, the most erotic feature on a woman is a naked left ring finger.

Putting that aside, MC's crudely stated OP raises an interesting question - is attraction to particular secondary sexual characteristics at least partially culturally based? I don't think MC was asking about fetishes for particular races.

Myself, I thought for a while that I had an Asian fetish, as the number of Asian women I had dated was relatively high. On further consideration, I realized that I was attracted to petite, small-breasted, slim-hipped women, and Asians fell into this category in a higher percentage than the the general population. It was the secondary characteristics I found attractive, not the race.

So, where did my attraction to these characteristics come from? Is it genetic, some Freudian crap, or influenced by culture?

V.

[Mullinator]

I always look at the head first. Specifically, just how far off of the ground the top of that head is. After looking at height, I move on to other areas.

[Coldfire]

Max, although it may sound ludicrous, that theory is widely accepted as truth these days. I think Desmond Morris came up with it.

[Necros]

MaxTorque said:

Somewhere along the line, the human species began to selectively breed in favor of what was found most attractive, namely, buttocks in front.

So, Max, we're all ass men? Only some of us like them in front?

[writefetus]

Max and Coldfire...Morris, while often insightful, is wrong in this case, we are not unique

Sex, it turned out, is the key to the social life of the bonobo. The first
suggestion that the sexual behavior of bonobos is different had come
from observations at European zoos. Wrapping their findings in Latin,
primatologists Eduard Tratz and Heinz Heck reported in 1954 that the
chimpanzees at Hellabrun mated more canum (like dogs) and bonobos
more hominum (like people). In those days, face-to- face copulation
was considered uniquely human, a cultural innovation that needed to
be taught to preliterate people (hence the term "missionary position").
These early studies, written in German, were ignored by the
international scientific establishment. The bonobo's humanlike
sexuality needed to be rediscovered in the 1970s before it became
accepted as characteristic of the species.
also see http://www.math.auckland.ac.nz/~king...obo/bonobo.htm for some HOT PHOTOS...

[manhattan]

SuaSponte asks:

is attraction to particular secondary sexual characteristics at least partially culturally based?

I'm going to leave this thread here (at least for the time being), with the proviso that the quote above represents the OP.

MC, in the future, you may wish to think more carefully about how you word a question before posting it, with an eye toward generating responses that answer your question.

[astro]

I'd really need a cite or two from a current and accepted anthropological (or related) authority to believe the assertion that the breast=buttocks aspect of human female physiognomy is "accepted as truth these days". Desmond Morris come up with a lot of wild assed (though interesting) hypotheses many of which, (including this one I believe) were relegated to the dustbin of anthropological theory.

Max, although it may sound ludicrous, that theory is widely accepted as truth these days. I think Desmond Morris came up with it.

[Yarster]

You know, I find I am attracted to a somewhat heavier/ somewhat older woman in general. In fact, my wife fits this category. I guess I never thought about this from a cultural standpoint, but all my Jewish friends seem to have wifes/ significant others that are similar. And YES, these women were already a tad overweight BEFORE we married them (let's get THAT theory out of the way right now ) I never hyperanalyzed why this type of woman was attractive to me, but my theory is:

1) Slightly heavier and older women are ignored by most super attractive guys (your Brad Pitt/ Tom Cruise types)

2) These women consequently tend to 'see less action' than your Jennifer Aniston types

3) Therefore, when these same women get a guy, they are generally more loyal and loving than the Jennifer Aniston type

4) Their loyalty and dedication to a relationship is a turn-on which attracts the male species (i.e. me) which in turn causes the male to 'select' for this female-type for future long-term relationships and actually ignore the traditionally more attractive Jennifer Aniston female.

[Padeye]

...of what was found most attractive, namely, buttocks in front.

I know, sounds ludicrous, but makes ya think, don't it?

So when I ogle cleavage I am, in an anthropological sense, lusting for reverse upper torso female plumber butt?

[AWB]

It depends.

If I'm walking behind her, I assess her butt; from the front, her face and breasts.

From a "racial" standpoint, I have mixed preferences:

• Asian: jet black, straight, silky hair.
• African: dark eyes, well-shaped derriere
• European: lighter skin; not lily-white nor over tanned

[DougC]

[quote]Who cares what "race" a person is? - Johhny LA[quote]
- - - In any physical relationship, everybody cares what race a person is.

MC, in the future, you may wish to think more carefully about how you word a question before posting it, with an eye toward generating responses that answer your question. - manhattan, moderator

- - - The three examples I offered were ridiculous enough that I didn't think anyone would take them seriously. If you asked a friend who lived in Germany "is attraction to particular secondary sexual characteristics at least partially culturally based?" they'd wonder what you were talking about, but if you asked "what do German guys notice first?" they'd probably have an answer. - MC

[manhattan]

- - - The three examples I offered were ridiculous enough that I didn't think anyone would take them seriously. If you asked a friend who lived in Germany "is attraction to particular secondary sexual characteristics at least partially culturally based?" they'd wonder what you were talking about, but if you asked "what do German guys notice first?" they'd probably have an answer. - MC

That was my point, which I apparently made poorly. I apologize for that; let me try again.

If your question was "What do German guys notice first," than the topic is best suited to our forum In My Humble Opinion, because the responses you get will be along the lines of "Well, I'm German, and all my friends and I seem to be attracted to..."

On the other hand, if your question was about cultural bias in attraction to secondary sex characteristics, it's GQ because someone may actually have done a study on it to which one of our members may have access, thus answering your question.

Let me know either way. I can either move it to IMHO, or if you prefer I'll change the title for you (I'll also probably also neuter it, so we'll only have one topic on the subject in the forum.

Thanks.

[Chronos]

A little off-topic, I know, but as for which race I prefer, realistically, I would have to say Human, but Elves have that certain exoticness about them, you know? Of course, Human/Elf relationships always end tragically...

Yarster, as to your "less is more" idea there, Chaucer came up with that same idea, centuries ago-- Look for it in "The Wife of Bath's Tale" (I think) from Canterbury Tales.

[Koxinga]

SuaSponte said:

Myself, I thought for a while that I had an Asian fetish . . . I realized that I was attracted to petite, small-breasted, slim-hipped women . . .

Yeah, me too.

[Anti Pro]

MC, you're not really an MS are you????

[DougC]

- - - Anti Pro, I don't know if I am an MS or not: what's an MS?
- Manhattan: I wasn't acting or expecting scientific answers so I guess the question is kinda catty. Move it to IMHO; sociological facts usually arrive at the scene of the crime just after the rumors left. - MC

[astro]

Is this what you're looking for?
The "analysis" at the end is priceless.

http://barney.gonzaga.edu/~mquieto/music/baby.html

Baby Got Back
by Sir Mix A Lot

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I like big butts, and I cannot lie
And you other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face you get sprung.
I wanna pull up tough,
Cause you notice that butt was stuffed
Even through the jeans she's wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh baby, I wanna get wid ya
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But that butt you've got makes me so horny.
Ooh, rubber smooth skin (?)
You say you wanna get in my Benz?
Well use me, use me, cause you ain't that average groupie.
I seen her dancin'. To hell with romancin'.
She's sweat, wet, got it goin' like a turbo 'Vet.
I'm tired of magazines, sayin' flat butts are the thing
Take the average black man and ask him that:
She gotta pack much back.
So fellas (yeah) fellas (yeah)
Has your girlfriend got some butt (hell yeah)
So shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it
Shake that healthy butt. Baby got back.
I like 'em round and big.
An when I'm throwin' a gig
I just can't help myself
I'm actin' like an animal
Now here's my scandal:
I wanna get you home and
Uh, double up, uh, uh
I ain't talkin' bout Playboy
Those silicone parts are made for toys.
I want 'em real thick and juicy
So find that juicy double
Mix A Lot's in trouble
Beggin' for a piece of that bubble
So I'm lookin' at rock videos
Nothing but bimbos walkin' like hoes
You can keep those bimbos
I'll keep my women like Flo Jo
A word to the thick soul-sisters:
I wanna get wid ya; I won't cuss or hit ya
But I gotta be straight when I say a wanna
(uh) 'til the break of dawn.
Baby, I got it goin' on!
A lot of (?) won't like this song
'Cause those punks like to hit it and quit it
But I'd rather stay and play
'Cause I'm long and I'm strong
And I down to get the friction on.
So ladies (yeah) ladies (yeah)
Do you wanna roll my Mercedes (yeah)
Turn around, stick it out
Even white boys got to shout. Baby got back.

Spoken Interlude:

Yeah Baby, when it comes to females, Cosmo ain't got nothin' to do with my selection. 36" 24" 36", huh, only if she's 5'3"!

So your girlfriend rolls a Honda
Playin' workout tapes by Fonda
But Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda
My anaconda don't want none unless you've got buns hun
You can do side-bends or situps
But please don't lose that butt
Some brothers wanna play that hard role
And tell you that the butt ain't gold
So they toss it and leave it and I pull up quick to retreive it.
So Cosmo says you're fat
Well I ain't down with that
'Cause your waist is small and you're curves are kickin'
And I'm thinkin' about stickin'
To the beanpole dames in the magazines?
You ain't it Miss Thing.
Give me a sister, I can't resist her
Red beans and rice didn't miss her.
Some knuckle-head tried to dis
'Cause those girls are on my list
He had game but he chose to quit 'em
And I pull up quick to get wid 'em
So ladies if your butt is round
And you want to triple-Xpo down
Dial 1-900-Mix A Lot, and kick them nasty thoughts
Baby got back.


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Analysis:
There are two dynamics at work in this song. First, the blatant objectification of women. Second, an affirmation of natural body form. The lyrics deliberately opposes the dominant culture's "beauty myth" as represented by "Cosmo," "Playboy," "36" 24" 36"" and "Fonda." While it is a protest against a master narrative of sexual attractiveness, it reduces women's beauty to a sexual object of possession. One particular example of this is the repeated bull-whip sound played at the end of many lines as well as the bed-creaking sound effect which plays throughout.

While the objectifying message is particularly aggressive, credit should be given for it's affirmation of more natural beauty. To my knowledge, it is the only popular song by a male artist which directly challenges the "beauty myth." That counts for something.

- - - Anti Pro, I don't know if I am an MS or not: what's an MS?
- Manhattan: I wasn't acting or expecting scientific answers so I guess the question is kinda catty. Move it to IMHO; sociological facts usually arrive at the scene of the crime just after the rumors left. - MC

[manhattan]

I guess the question is kinda catty. Move it to IMHO;

::Sigh:: I was afraid of that. I hate these stereotype threads. I suspect you'll find that your conceptions largely without foundation.

[Goose]

A little off-topic, I know, but as for which race I prefer, realistically, I would have to say Human, but Elves have that certain exoticness about them, you know? Of course, Human/Elf relationships always end tragically...


LOL Chronos I spit milk on my screen.

[SteelToes]

I usually stick to the human race, just to keep Mother's friends from talking.

[Typo Negative]

I do not believe there is any racial basis to personal preferences. My roommate and I are both white males of mostly Anglo-Saxon descent. I personally, am attracted to a pretty face and alluring scent. My roommate only requires a pulse. Go figure.