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Old 07-15-2004, 12:10 AM
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Sex scenes in movies (non-pornographic)

Are sex scenes in non-pornographic movies real? Like, was the sex scene in 8 Mile real, or was it just acting? If it is real, do they use condoms or BC or what? Is there an official condom of Hollywood? And do they test actors for STDs before? Is there a doctor out there that knows ever STD in Hollywood?
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Old 07-15-2004, 12:53 AM
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They aren't real.

There are a few rumors about certain famous sex scenes, but I don't know if any have been confirmed has being genuine shenanigans.
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Old 07-15-2004, 01:28 AM
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Brown Bunny was real, and horrifically so from what I've heard.
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Old 07-15-2004, 01:38 AM
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Chloe Sevigny gave Vincent Gallo a blowjob in The Brown Bunny.

I've also heard rumors about Wild Orchid.

Neither movies are worth watching. I would think that performing a real sex scene would do nothing but hurt a persons career. Chloe Sevigny was dumped by her agent after this. The outtakes are supposedly even more graphic than the blowjob. You can infer what you like into that. I haven't heard any specific detalis but there are only a few things one can do that is more graphic than a blowjob.
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Old 07-15-2004, 02:10 AM
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So they're really acting? Even if it looks really real? Any clue as to how they do this?
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Old 07-15-2004, 02:13 AM
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There's a new British movie called "9 Songs" in which the two main actors did in fact have sex. And it's supposed to be explicit about the sex. Meaning you see things go in things. Directer by Michael Winterbottom and starring Margo Stilley and Keiran O'Brien. Not sure if it will ever get released anywhere. It played at Cannes but that was the last I've heard of it.
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Old 07-15-2004, 02:23 AM
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So they're really acting? Even if it looks really real? Any clue as to how they do this?
What? It's real sex in a non-pornographic movie, with people acting as the characters they play in the movie.

I hope that answered your questions.
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Old 07-15-2004, 03:20 AM
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What? It's real sex in a non-pornographic movie, with people acting as the characters they play in the movie.

I hope that answered your questions.
Wait, what? Your stance on this is that they really do have sex in non-porno movies?
friedo says that "they aren't real". I guess from this that he means they're pretending to have sex. So which is it? Real sex or not?

P.S. By "real sex", I mean penetration.
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Old 07-15-2004, 05:06 AM
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Wait, what? Your stance on this is that they really do have sex in non-porno movies?
friedo says that "they aren't real". I guess from this that he means they're pretending to have sex. So which is it? Real sex or not?

P.S. By "real sex", I mean penetration.
Sorry for the confusion. In the examples that have been given, it IS real sex in those non-porno movies. The Brown Bunny, 9 songs, and possibly Wild Orchid.

But other than those films (and a few others, I'm sure) it ISN'T real sex. It's just acting, lighting, and camera angles. 8 mile was acting. Most of them are acting, because like drm said, it's a really bad career move.
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Old 07-15-2004, 05:19 AM
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Wait, what? Your stance on this is that they really do have sex in non-porno movies?
friedo says that "they aren't real". I guess from this that he means they're pretending to have sex. So which is it? Real sex or not?

P.S. By "real sex", I mean penetration.
Oh for god's sake.

Look, with extremely rare exceptions, the sex scenes in non-pornographic movies are not real sex. Even if they look really really really really real, they aren't.

Actors and actresses, especially ones with any power in the industry, will often have "nudity clauses" in their contracts which will spell out exactly what parts of their bodies may and may not appear in the film. I recall looking through a contract rider on the Smoking Gun (can't remember the actress; too lazy to look it up) that not only specified she wouldn't appear nude but the filmmakers were prohibited from representing her as nude (through the use of body doubles or technology).

On the set, women will do things like put electrical tape on their nipples and men will wear "cock socks," so that if the camera catches the part (intentionally or accidentally) the shot is unusable. In turn, directors will often require that any nude or sex scenes are filmed first (or early in the schedule) so that the performer can't at the end of the shoot suddenly refuse to do it (or if they do refuse they can be replaced).

Source for the above paragraph are a number of television and print interviews with various performers.

The closest that non-hardcore movies get to penetration is in those direct-to-video/Cinemax things with titles like "Forbidden Sins" and "Model Lust." If you look at how the woman is positioned, it's apparent that in many of the set-ups not only are the performers not having actual sex but that the appropriate anatomical bits aren't even lined up properly.
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Old 07-15-2004, 06:05 AM
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The closest that non-hardcore movies get to penetration is in those direct-to-video/Cinemax things with titles like "Forbidden Sins" and "Model Lust."
Don't forget Forbidden Lust, Sinful Models, Passionate Sins, Forbidden Passion, Lustful Forbidden Passion and Bikini Bistro.
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Old 07-15-2004, 06:17 AM
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John Cameron Mitchell, who wrote, directed, and starred in Hedwig and the Angry Inch, has been in working on this for the last few years. It's supposed to be a non-pornographic film that nonetheless features graphic (penetrative) sex. But I first heard about this right after Hedwig was released and it's still in pre-production, so who knows if it'll ever get filmed. Here's the film's official Web site, but it's probably not work-safe.

I've got mixed feelings about this. If it were anyone else making it, I'd just assume it was an attempt to "legitimize" porn, but John Cameron Mitchell doesn't seem to be the type to do that.

I imagine the reason the reason the film's taking so long to get made is that he's having trouble finding a cast. He doesn't want porn stars, from what I can tell, he wants "legitimate" actors. The problem is that most as-yet-unknown actors he finds aren't going to risk ruining their careers before they even get started by appearing in a film like this. I mean, look at the backlash ChloŽ Sevigny's getting over The Brown Bunny and they didn't even show anything (from what I've heard).
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Old 07-15-2004, 06:42 AM
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Some fairly recent movies featuring actual sex acts were Intimacy starring Kerry Fox. It received generally good reviews and is well worth watching. as well as the French movies Romance and Baise-moi,
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Old 07-15-2004, 07:21 AM
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I had heard that Kim Bassinger and her husband did it for real one of the movies - maybe The Getaway.
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Old 07-15-2004, 07:37 AM
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Actors and actresses, especially ones with any power in the industry, will often have "nudity clauses" in their contracts which will spell out exactly what parts of their bodies may and may not appear in the film. I recall looking through a contract rider on the Smoking Gun (can't remember the actress; too lazy to look it up) that not only specified she wouldn't appear nude but the filmmakers were prohibited from representing her as nude (through the use of body doubles or technology).

On the set, women will do things like put electrical tape on their nipples and men will wear "cock socks," so that if the camera catches the part (intentionally or accidentally) the shot is unusable. In turn, directors will often require that any nude or sex scenes are filmed first (or early in the schedule) so that the performer can't at the end of the shoot suddenly refuse to do it (or if they do refuse they can be replaced).
Interesting, I didn't think non A-list actors had that kind of clout. I was under the impression that with all the wannabe stars out there, directors cuold make pretty much whatever demands they liked of actors. I'm sure Meg Ryan, Sandra Bullock and Julia Roberts can make whatever demands the like, but anyone else seems ... replaceable.
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Old 07-15-2004, 07:40 AM
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There's a new British movie called "9 Songs" in which the two main actors did in fact have sex. And it's supposed to be explicit about the sex. Meaning you see things go in things.
Er, that would make it hardcore, wouldn't it?

Not I'm judging.
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Old 07-15-2004, 07:59 AM
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What appears to be happening is that people are trying to redraw the line between pornos and mainstream film. Taking it from what they will show and replacing it with the reason they show things. "9 Songs" is trying to tell a story and the sex is part of that. And the porno version could be the exact same movie but meant to excite and cause certain self gratifying acts. I guess you could say that makes the difference not in the film but in the director's head. Well, that and his ability to carry it off and make a good movie. I don't particularly agree with them. Sex to me is more then just a very, very good massage.



BTW, watch who you go to see these movies with. I'd hate to be stuck next to my mom watching one of these for 90 minutes.
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Old 07-15-2004, 10:14 AM
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Linda Fiorentino's nudity rider.

A page from Diane Lane's contract which requires prior written consent for any nude scene or body double sex scene.

I think someone should come up with a better name than "nudity rider." It sounds like a very naughty hero of the Old West.
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Old 07-15-2004, 04:47 PM
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Linda Fiorentino's nudity rider.
Interesting document. One part of it stipulated that any film not used in the "answer print" was to be promptly destroyed. Anybody know what an answer print is? It's not in the IMDb glossary.

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Old 07-15-2004, 04:55 PM
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The answer print is the first print the Lab gives the producer so that he can determine if changes are needed before printing the balance of the order.
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Old 07-15-2004, 08:37 PM
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...as well as the French movies Romance and Baise-moi.
I've seen both of these. Romance was okay, but nothing special (it didn't help that the heroine looks just like one of my cousins. I thought Baise-moi was just awful.

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I had heard that Kim Bassinger and her husband did it for real one of the movies - maybe The Getaway.
I'm sure it was The Getaway you heard this about; my high shool drama teacher told us this, too. I have my doubts, though.
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Old 07-15-2004, 09:14 PM
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In general with movies, nothing you don't actually see happen on camera really happened, and some of what you do see happen on camera didn't really happen either. So unless there's an actual penetration shot, penetration almost certainly did not occur no matter what it looks like the actors are doing.

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Some fairly recent movies featuring actual sex acts were Intimacy starring Kerry Fox.
I haven't seen this, but isn't the on-screen sex act a blowjob? So not "real sex" according to the OP's standards, although admittedly an actual sex act all the same.

The "blowee" in Intimacy is Mark Rylance, better known as a Shakespearian and artistic director at the Shakespeare's Globe Theatre in London. I saw him in Twelfth Night there and was much impressed. As I was walking back across the bridge with my roommate I said, "He was really good. I wonder if he's been in any movies? I'd like to see more of him."

After I got home I looked him up on the IMDB and learned that if I saw his most recent film I'd see much more of Rylance than I'd had in mind!
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Old 07-15-2004, 09:47 PM
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I've heard an interview with Russ Meyer where he said that in some of the sex scenes in his movies, the actors actually were having sex. I don't recall any specific details, though.
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Old 07-15-2004, 10:16 PM
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Linda Fiorentino's nudity rider.

A page from Diane Lane's contract which requires prior written consent for any nude scene or body double sex scene.

I think someone should come up with a better name than "nudity rider." It sounds like a very naughty hero of the Old West.
I dunno, unless an actress could pull a couple million eyeballs to the screen, I'd ignore such a rider and get somebody just as talented, but less well known and more willing to do a nude scene (or let a double do one for her). Fiorentino and Lane probably would have clout on a B-list film, but I can't see why an A-list filmmaker would let an actress on their level limit them like that. Unless there was no nudity planned for the actress' character, in which case it's a moot point.
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Old 07-15-2004, 10:28 PM
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From the sound of it, Meg Ryan did some nude sex scenes in In The Cut that would have looked right at home in a Skinamax flick.
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Old 07-16-2004, 12:02 AM
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Some fairly recent movies featuring actual sex acts were Intimacy starring Kerry Fox. It received generally good reviews and is well worth watching. as well as the French movies Romance and Baise-moi,
Just for the record, is it "official" that the sex acts were real? Did the actors flat out say "yes, we really had sex when they were filming"?
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Old 07-16-2004, 02:51 AM
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Just for the record, is it "official" that the sex acts were real? Did the actors flat out say "yes, we really had sex when they were filming"?
Apparently everyone involved with Intimacy (including the actress's boyfriend) has been open about the fact that the blow job scene really involved Fox's real mouth on Rylance's real penis. Whether one considers that "really having sex" or not depends on your definition of the term. I haven't seen the movie, but from what I've heard I suspect that Fox wasn't doing much with her mouth, and I'm fairly certain that she didn't bring Rylance to orgasm.

The fact that Intimacy contained a (more or less) "real sex act" was fairly big movie news and easy to confirm, so I'm suspicious of most claims about movies where the story isn't official. If it's true, there's really no reason to hide it. The story is worth some free publicity, and if the actors weren't shy about having sex for a movie scene in the first place they have little reason to worry about the public knowing it wasn't completely faked.
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:33 AM
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"Romance" had Rocco Siffredi one of the biggest male porno actors out of Europe.

I remember the controvery around "Baise-Moi." I bet you could still find news stories from them. Hmm, looks like
"Baise-Moi" used porn stars too.

Searching in Google groups also turned up a lot of stuff. Like in rec.arts.movies.reviews


I see we haven't addressed whether there are any requirements for actors who engage in sexual activities on film. I highly doubt there are since it's not common. Probably the actor groups don't want to give any legitimacy to this stuff by making any regulations. So I assume it's all left up to the people involved and what they're confortable with.

From the google groups review of "Intimacy" it looks like she just took his limp penis into her mouth and sucked on it a little bit and only pretended to do everything else. The screencaps don't appear to show any protection at all.
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Old 07-18-2004, 09:23 AM
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Just for the record, in the adult film industry, two versions of films are sometimes made - one hardcore and one softcore. The hardcore scenes obviously involve actual intercourse, while no actual intercourse may be going on during the softcore scenes. And, even in films with hardcore action, some of the more softcore scenes don't actually involve intercourse.

Many times it's the actresses who decide whether actual intercourse will be happening in a scene where penetration isn't being shown. Afterall, with the schedule these actresses are on, they don't want to wear themselves out. And the guys can only do so much before they have to "reload".

Anyhoo...
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Old 07-19-2004, 10:12 PM
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I think someone should come up with a better name than "nudity rider." It sounds like a very naughty hero of the Old West.
It sounds like a BAND NAME is what it sounds like.
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