Depleted Uranium Tipped Weapons

Great Debates
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Ceramic wars or the glass wars, will be the name history records for all wars, fought with these DU tipped weapons.

The scientists say they do not know why all these things are happening to our troops.

I am betting, that since our weapons are tipped with DU, that since it is much harder than normal steel, upon explosive detonation and from the other descriptions, that this material resembles ceramic as close as anything could be. I say this, because if we think about it, the best bullet proof vests, are made of ceramic and even when this DU material blows thru a tank or explodes against a building, the ceramic material that is small enough to enter the blood stream at least thru the lungs, if not all the openings in the body and travels thruout the entire body, as very tiny cutting blades.

I have heard about blood in the stool and burning for a woman after making love to her husband and then she becomes ill and babies becoming deformed. The deformities come about, because these tiny pieces of ceramic like material, running thru all the blood and passing thru the brain and all the organs in the body, are making very minute cuts, that seem to have eluded scientists.

Everybody was looking in the wrong places and that’s why no one found this problem. Everyone was focused on the possible radiation aspect.

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It’s a serious issue, but this:

…cracked me right up. While I may “burn” for an attractive woman, the feelings don’t typically manifest in the aftermath of me nailing her husband.

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Comprehension is a treasure, you seem to be lacking.

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I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that none of your merit badges are from biology or materials science. I’ll leave it to the medical professionals to poke holes in your theory, but do you have any cites at all for the nature of the ceramic dust? What you are describing sounds most like what one would get from inhaling asbestos dust over a long period, however that remains in the lungs.

While it is a stretch to believe that particulate material inhaled in the lungs would end up in the bloodstream to any great degree, it seems extremely farfetched to believe that significant amounts of it could be transmitted via intercourse.

And regardless of the point of entry, the (slightly) radioactive nature of DU would make this kind of contamination very easy to detect.

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Oh, lighten up. It’s not my fault you failed to display a firm grasp of sentence structure. The entire line:

…is a clumsy mess. I’d suggest: “I’ve heard accounts of blood in the stool, or women suffering burning symptoms after sex, along with other health problems and birth defects.”

I comprehended you easily enough, but your presentation failed with clumsy and distracting syntax. In any case, the effects of depleted uranium are a lot less dramatic than the long-term health effects on personnel who pick up smoking or heavy drinking habits in the service.

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Color me very skeptical about your “hypothesis”. I am sure there are scientists who have thought of other possibilities besides the radiation aspect. And, they probably had good reasons to dismiss them or to consider them seriously. I only take scientific hypotheses seriously if the person making the hypothesis shows that they have read and comprehended the current scientific literature on the subject. Otherwise, they are just pissing into the wind.

Here, by the way is a page that talks some about depleted uranium and in fact mentions the fact that there is more than just the radiation to be concerned about:

Finally, I’ll note that, while knowing nothing about the “cutting” aspect of very small particles, I think one can likely exclude the idea that this is a problem if the particles are very small. They may embed themselves into tissue but I don’t see how they will cut through it…It’s not like they are attached to a blade or something that will allow them to exert a strong force on the tissue.

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I have nothing to contribute - Finagle brought up my points and more - I just had to say that Bryan Ekers is hilarious.

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Uranium, depleted or .um… pleted is a metal. Ceramics and glasses are made from non-metals IIR the periodic table correctly.

IINA chemist, but I don’t think that is correct.

Body armor is made from Kevlar or some similar ballistic material and uses metal or ceramic plates as added protection. If you are wearing said ballistic plate (or riding a tank for that matter) when a DU round comes crashing thru, breathing in ceramic dust will be the least of your problems.
Is it correct to assume you are asking if the reason soldiers are experiencing “Gulf War Syndrom” has anything to do with breathing in dust from DU rounds or ceramic armor? Kind of like prolonged exposure to fiber glass?

I had always assumed exposure to chemical weapons or oil rig smoke was more likely, but I could be wrong.

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[QUOTE=Finagle]

[QUOTE=Boy Scout11]
DU material blows thru a tank or explodes against a building, the ceramic material that is small enough to enter the blood stream at least thru the lungs, if not all the openings in the body and travels thruout the entire body, as very tiny cutting blades.

I have heard about blood in the stool and burning for a woman after making love to her husband and then she becomes ill and babies becoming deformed. The deformities come about, because these tiny pieces of ceramic like material, running thru all the blood and passing thru the brain and all the organs in the body, are making very minute cuts, that seem to have eluded scientists.

A Great Debate is when anyone can go line by line, debating every single known and unknown, in an effort for all to see and comprehend.

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I’m guessing that getting an MRI would probably be not so much fun…

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A debate in general does not require each and every point to be addressed, especially when you have cascading ideas.

It’s a domino effect. If one of your ideas leads to another and then another, but the first is faulty, then so are the rest.

So here goes:

Ceramic wars or the glass wars, will be the name history records for all wars, fought with these DU tipped weapons.
No. History will most likely record them as they are named now, e.g., Desert Storm.

The scientists say they do not know why all these things are happening to our troops.
This is misleading; they have come up with a number of ideas.

I am betting, that since our weapons are tipped with DU, that since it is much harder than normal steel, upon explosive detonation and from the other descriptions, that this material resembles ceramic as close as anything could be.
No. It remains a metal. Ceramics are not metals. Your remaining ideas uses this premise. But because it is false, they should not be addressed.

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On another board, I have spoken with a person very knowledgeable on war and his screen name is warbird. When speaking with him, it was he that said that many of our soldiers were urinating out this substance and from another source, it was said that women having intercourse with soldiers in this condition, have experienced burning afterwords and children with birth defects unknown. If a soldier is urinating this stuff, he must surely have it everywhere, considering this stuff is inhaled into the lungs. After I spoke of it being as a ceramic like stuff, another person on that site cut and pasted almost the same thing from a web site, testing the stuff. I have also heard of it being called that very same thing by an ex soldier when I was in his home.

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Oh, well, with a pseudonym like that, his every word must be golden :rolleyes:

I apologize for the sarcasm, but you really need to stop simply taking the word of everyone you converse with as implicitly true. Cross-check facts against other sources. Look for verification by third parties. If you see a “fact” that is only reported as true by a single person on some random message board, then you should think really hard before taking it at face value.

People can call it a ceramic if they want, but that doesn’t make it true. A ceramic is defined as a non-metal, and thus uranium, by definition, cannot be a ceramic.

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This site has a rather revealing picture of what might be the result of exposure to DU. Third picture down.

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But you fail to take into account my screen name, jUrph, which has a U in it. U is the periodic table symbol for Uranium, and while warbird may be knowledgeable about “war,” I am clearly a bigger expert in uranium than he is – he doesn’t have any U’s in his screen name!

I can assure you that depleted uranium is utterly harmless except for its potential heavy metal toxicity. It can also cause a workplace hazard to members of the armed forces who encounter a piece of it that has been charged with a high kinetic energy. Usually, such a piece of uranium will transfer its kinetic energy into the body of the unfortunate soldier, often so quickly that the soldier never realizes the transfer has happened! The “Transfer Reducing Overall Linear Load” is the primary danger of depleted uranium.

I have a close, personal relationship with several women who routinely have sexual relations with men in the military, and I assure you, the “burning sensation” they experience has already been explained. Al Capone, though familiar with firearms, never used depleted uranium bullets. He, too, experienced a burning sensation in his urinary tract. There’s clearly a secondary cause. Actually, it was named for his condition: Capone’s Legendary Auxiliary Pain, or CLAP. It’s become something of an “underground legend” in the medical field, but if you look it up, I’m sure you’ll find it in some of the more obscure journals.

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

While depleted uranium is usually classified as a metal due to its prominent position among the metallic elements on the Periodic Table, I will concede that it has also, occasionally, been listed as “ceramic like stuff” due to its color (gray, just like some ceramics) and weight (it’s heavy, just like a big vase!).

Wait a second! Did he have a security clearance? Seriously, he’s not allowed to call it a “ceramic like stuff” at home. That would blow the whole conspiracy wide open. He’s only allowed to tell fifth-level Masons and above. And if you are a fifth-level Mason, and we find out you’ve spilled the beans… boy-howdy, you’re totally getting your parking pass revoked.

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‘Tis most refreshing to see that medieval science is alive and well, with the fine comparison of depleted uranium to ceramics. Forsooth! Both are of the earth, and as Aristotle teaches, they share the same properties! As for yon bloody stools, I would think that witchcraft and lack of faith to ones’ Lord and leige would suffiently explain that…

Ahem.

An excellent source of information regarding Depleted Cer-err, Uranium.

For those who do not read English, here is an American source.

I would daresay that the health risks of having a DU ‘long rod’ penetrator hit the tank that you are tooling around in far outweigh the risks of peeing uranium dust. Just my opinion, though.

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Well JURPH, you say,–I can assure you that depleted uranium is utterly harmless except for its potential heavy metal toxicity. It can also cause a workplace hazard to members of the armed forces who encounter a piece of it that has been charged with a high kinetic energy. Usually, such a piece of uranium will transfer its kinetic energy into the body of the unfortunate soldier, often so quickly that the soldier never realizes the transfer has happened! The “Transfer Reducing Overall Linear Load” is the primary danger of depleted uranium.

I then ask, do men in the service exposed to this stuff, urinate this substance and I would also ask, if, DU is tipped on a tomahawk, or some explosive device, what does that do to the DU, if not shatter it and heat it to such extremes, that it floats on the wind and anyone downwind has a chance of breathing it in?

I have already gone to one site for gulf war syndrome and left some questions and I plan to go to more, because there were not many on this site, so I will be going directly to the horses mouth so to speak. When I get answers directly7 from the vets, I will bring those snippets here and I will not post what I believe on those sites, until I have asked all the questions first, so as not to pregidious their answers. I seek the truth, plain and simple and all of it, wheather I am right or wrong.

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I can tell you now: this won’t work on these boards.

Although testimony is nice, it is not proof. They could easily attribute their conditions to the wrong factors.

Scientific evidence will do you far better. I would suggest looking for papers or studies dealing with DU that has actually gotten into soldiers, and what the DU in particular did.

This is probably not easy to do. A battlefield is an extreme place with a lot of variables; if a soldier falls ill but has been in a complicated situation, it makes it difficult to determine the cause of the illness. Did he ingest DU - or inhale toxic smoke? He’s nauseous - is he suffering from dehydration, or did he eat one of those rice packets they give out in the MREs?

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Depends how they’re exposed to it. Odds are that if it’s small enough to inhale as dust, it’s too small to notice when you pee.

No, you’ve got it right: the heavy metal toxicity combined with explosives raises the spectre of a nasty metallic dust being inhaled.

I think you’ll find that during the Gulf War, our “cavalry” troops actually used light transport helicopters. The horses probably didn’t breathe in very much dust at all, as they are the hardier Arabian breeds whose nostrils are bred for filtering out sand and other dust.

The horses are fine, I’ve already talked to the vet. He had them wormed. The real danger, as I mentioned above, is if one of the horses hurts its leg. That horse, in danger of ending its racing career, would probably be shot. With or without a depleted uranium round, that poses a serious health hazard. Many horses do not recover from this radical treatment.

I stand by my earlier assertion that when the Illuminati find out you’re looking for “the truth… all of it”, you are going to be in some deep Kim Chi.

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I think Jurph is my new hero.