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#3
10-22-2004, 06:48 AM
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They did an issue once where they went and gave retrospective 5 mics to classics that they didn't give enough credit for when they were released...
like Dr.Dre's 2001... there was a huge list - - I think Ice Cube's Death Certificate may have been there too... I don't think I have that issue though... they give anyone 5 mics nowadays though don't they? - - except Eminem of course.. 
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#5
10-22-2004, 07:08 AM
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really???
In my eyes that album is yet to be beaten in the last 6 years since it's release... my friend and I were discussing this very point... name 5 albums that come anywhere near that since it's release... we came up with Eminem - Marshall Mathers LP Eminem - The Eminem Show Masta Ace - Disposable Arts umm... thats it - - we couldn't name 5! 50 cent lacked consistency.. Masta Ace's latest didn't quite meet the standard of the last... it's a general lack of consistency that lets albums down nowadays.. just my opinion of course...
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#6
10-22-2004, 07:09 AM
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In response to the OP - - I think "Me Against The World" got 5 - - if not originally - certainly in the retrospective issue...
if it didn't then he was robbed, guvna!
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#7
10-22-2004, 07:20 AM
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50 Cent is NOT here to save rap Eminem is NOT "white-pac" Ja Rule is NOT the new Tupac (this is the most laughable one. I can't believe he has the balls to say that...) Jay-Z, while a great lyricist in his own right, is NOT Biggie All that said, I did think of one album since Dre's 2001 that is much better imo (and I'm sure I'll think of more later): Blackstar.
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#8
10-22-2004, 07:44 AM
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I must bow my head in shame to say I haven't listened to that album..
when it initially came out I wasn't really into that kind of hip-hop... since then I've developed a taste for it - but still never went back and checked it... I'm looking forward to hearing the new Mos Def CD .... but apparently the last Talib Kweli album was not so good ( I have Quality - - or whatever it's called , but find it's one of those albums I'm never in the mood to listen to.. ) I'm hoping Nas continues his return to form, although the single seems a bit dodgy! obviously I'm hoping Eminem can come up with something better than the D12 album and his new single! - -
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#9
10-22-2004, 08:24 AM
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Outkast - Stankonia Jay-Z - Black Album Dungeon Family - Even in Darkness Common - Like Water for Chocolate Common - Electric Circus Blackstar And those are just off the top of my head and not looking through my collection. Quote:
50 Cent and Ja Rule shouldn't even be in this discussion. Eminem is not the white Tupac, it's true, but of all the mainstream rappers that have come out since Tupac's death, Eminem is the closest to Tupac's level. He's really, really good. And he gets better on every album. Jay-Z isn't Biggie. He's better. I seriously think Biggie is the most overrated rapper in history. Listen to any of the songs that Jay-Z and Biggie collaborate on and Jay-Z's rhymes smoke what Biggie puts out.
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#10
10-22-2004, 08:36 AM
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It's not all about rhymes though. First of all, Tupac was lightyears ahead of Eminem in content. Hell, half of Eminem's crap doesn't even make sense; what the hell does "How can one Chandra be so Leavey?" mean, anyway? Secondly, Tupac had charisma on the mic. Eminem sounds like he's 12. I can't really disagree that Biggie was and is overrated, but he had mic presence too. I don't really explain what it is, but only a few rappers have it and they all stand out. Tupac and Biggie both had it, Eazy E had it, KRS-ONE has it. I only mentioned Ja Rule because his label tries to promote him as "the new Tupac".
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#12
10-22-2004, 08:53 AM
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#14
10-22-2004, 02:51 PM
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Blatant hijack: Are hip-hop critics as out of touch with the general audience as pop/rock critics seem to be?
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#15
10-22-2004, 03:53 PM
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I sometimes think people who buy some hip-hop are out of touch with their sanity.. e.g big sellers like Ja-Rule - - and others...
I think that technically Eminem is a better rapper than 2pac - - but I would agree with Cisco 2pac had a broader content... I would not put Jay Z up there as a great rapper - - but probably because of all the trash he's put out between the occasional classic... and I've never liked his voice - - even when he was making songs I liked...
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