Hey, ARG220! Over here!

ARG220, in the Maybe hell's cool thread, you wrote:

Well, let's just call Mormonism a "false religion."

Let's not. They have their beliefs and you have yours. Who are you to decide that their beliefs are wrong? What makes your interpretation of the bible the one-and-only "true" one? Did you miss the page in the Bible which tells you: "Judge not, lest ye be judged?"

Since you're throwing rocks at other religions, I'll hold up a target for you. I'm a practicing Pagan-- altar, candles, sacred dagger, the whole bit. Tell me exactly why you think I'll end up in your hell. I'm interested to hear it-- I haven't had a good laugh in days.

Does only ARG get to post here?

I am a little confused about something... doesn't it seem logical that if someone is deeply religious, no matter WHAT their religion, that it follows that they must believe that their religion is the only "true" one? Because if they dont' believe that, why would they embrace their religion in the first place? So ragging people for believing their religions are true seems to be something of a wasted exercise.

Speaking of religions, I heard a horrifying (yet not entirely surprising quote) from a Muslim woman last night on "The People's Century" on PBS (Great series, btw). She said something to the effect of: "The prophet tells us that if you see something is wrong, you must FIRST (my emphasis) try to destory it by force. Then, if that doesn't work, you must speak out against it."

Wow...shoot first and ask questions later, directly from the Prophet. Scary, Debbie.



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I've been following the whole ARG v. Heathens case for awhile now.
I don't even know why anyone bothers trying to engage him in any dialogue whatsoever. Even a Furby™ changes its tune once in a while.

Stoidela asked:

[D]oesn't it seem logical that if someone is deeply religious, no matter WHAT their religion, that it follows that they must believe that their religion is the only "true" one? Because if they dont' believe that, why would they embrace their religion in the first place?

No, not every religious person believes that, though many do. Unitarians, for example, believe in freedom of conscience. We (yes, I'm one) believe in a person's ability to discover truth for him/herself. That means your religion isn't necessarily wrong. You may just see it differently than I do. There are Christians, Pagans, Jews, and even atheists who are Unitarians. And all are religious and devout.

The purpose of religion isn't to be the winners of some pep rally. And, contrary to much of human history, it isn't to kill everyone who disagrees with you either. Religion is here to celebrate our spiritual nature, to find others whom we can relate to spiritually, and to find purpose in our lives.

Wanna know more about Unitarianism? Click here.

Awaiting ARG220's scorn,
Your Quadell

Hey AuraSeer, catch me online some evening to chat, would you? I'm very interested in your perspective -- have distinct pagan leanings myself (not surprising for an Irish Catholic ), and would love to talk.

-Melin

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I dunno. I got bored and wandered away.

Despite how I may have come across, I really don't give a rat's ass what anyone else believes. I can only judge a person based on actions and statements, "beliefs" are invisible to me. Prideful ignorance and intolerance sometimes get a rise out of me, if I'm in the mood.

Oh well, Faire season is almost here. The Girls have made me promise to not wear the kilt this year. I love embarassing my offspring...

Must be a free-association night...

Earlier today, I typed out a long and beautiful post that took me over an hour to finish. Then when I went to push the "Submit Reply" button, the computer crashed! Needless to say, I was quite upset. Come to think of it, I don't know why I'm telling you any of this. I hate this computer. Anyway.

Auraseer: It's not lighting candles, and doing pagan rituals that sends you to hell. Or at least, it's not those things specifically.

All humans sin. And all humans are NOT basically good. All of us are basically BAD. (Including me) What saves us all from the flames of hell is the undying grace of Jesus Christ. HE is our sacrifice, and payment for sin.

There are not specific "damning sins." Sin is sin, is sin. Whether it's murder, or telling a "little white lie." Now, all people who go to hell, go there because of one thing: The presence of sin in their lives.

But since all of us sin, how are we supposed to get to heaven? You guessed it. The answer is Jesus. No matter what you've done, no matter who you are, or where you came from, He COVERS your sin, if you allow Him to. Because when it comes time for Christians to be judged by God, He sees the blood of Jesus over our lives, and the sin is hidden. That is how we can enter the kingdom of heaven. By the power of the blood of Jesus.

Did you laugh at that Auraseer? I kind of doubt it. And if Snarkberry is reading this, then maybe we'll have our Mormons discussion some other time. That's basically another thread in the making anyway, right?

Oh, BTW, I have never considered this as "Arg v. Heathens." I am not against any of you. I just want to help the lost become found, and allow the blind to see. (With God's help of course)

Adam

Arg:

What was the point of God setting it up like that? Why did he create the tree of knowledge for Adam and Eve to be tempted by in the first place? Core reason, please.

Because if you examine it, it reveals a jealous, egotistical, narcissistic god. A mindfucker, to be brutally plain. If he were the all-loving sweetie-pie you seem to think he is, he wouldn't have set it up like that in the first place.

Oh, and what about all the folks that came between Adam and Eve and Jesus? Since they didn't have the blood of Jesus to hide their sins, were they just condemned at birth? Now THAT's a loving diety!

And finally...why torment Jesus? Why did Jesus have to suffer so much in order to redeem us? Why couldn't he have been our redeemer without the torment and suffering?

Hmmm?

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Earlier today, I typed out a long and beautiful post that took me over an hour to finish. Then when I went to push the "Submit Reply" button, the computer crashed! Needless to say, I was quite upset.

Perhaps that all-mighty God of yours who's everywhere and sees everything is trying to tell you something; say, for example, "SHADDUP ALREADY!"
I knew you wouldn't see it as Arg v. Heathens. That's part of what I meant when I said it.

ARG220 wrote:

And if Snarkberry is reading this, then maybe we'll have our Mormons discussion some other time. That's basically another thread in the making anyway, right?

Don't count on it, Adam. Life's too short to spend my time arguing with a brick wall. You believe what you wish about Mormons, mkay? I'm done with you.

Gee, that was rude of me. I'm sorry, Adam. I've had a bad couple of days and here I go taking it out on you. Sorry.

::sniffles:: Our baby is growing up.

Hell, Snark, I was about to applaud till you came back with the apology. This is the PIT, fer cryin out loud, son.

Bill, Bill, Bill, . . .
This is the Barbecue Pit. A simple statement of fact is never to a reason to apologize. (And unless you truly enjoy arguing with a brick wall who worships a monster (as several people on these threads obviously do), your choice of having no more discussions with Adam is the correct one.)

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I don't intend to argue religion any more with Adam, but I don't want to give offense either.

To Adam: if you are truly interested in learning (not arguing) about the LDS religion, the missionaries are in the phone book, and I already gave you the official web site. If you want to argue, you'll have to do it with someone other than me. In spite of this being the BBQ Pit, I wish you well.

What was the point of God setting it up like that? Why did he create the
tree of knowledge for Adam and Eve to be tempted by in the first place?
Core reason, please.

I don't know why God created that tree Stoid. Why did He create birds, and trees, and little fishies? Maybe because they look pretty, I'm not exactly sure. That's not really the point. Satan tempted Eve, while assuming the form of a serpent. (Come now, I'm sure you've heard about this.) Adam didn't have to sin. God didn't "set it up" that way. But since he did, he pretty much made life very difficult for the rest of us. By disobeying God, Adam and Eve brought sin into a sinless world. Thus the world began as we know it. Where man is sinful, and we need some form of atonement for our sins. (i.e. sacrificial animals for the Old Testement, and Jesus for everybody who came after Him.)

Oh, and what about all the folks that came between Adam and Eve and
Jesus? Since they didn't have the blood of Jesus to hide their sins,
were they just condemned at birth? Now THAT's a loving diety!

The Israelites in the OT needed some form of atonement for their sins. And for that they used animals, usually a sheep. (I think) The blood of those innocent animals covered their sins. This is why Jesus is commonly reffered to as, "The Lamb of God." Because He was like an innocent lamb being led to sacrifice for us.

And finally...why torment Jesus? Why did Jesus have to suffer so much in
order to redeem us? Why couldn't he have been our redeemer without the
torment and suffering?

Jesus Himself actually struggled with this too Stoidela. When He was praying to God just before His arrest, Jesus asked God if there was another way around His crucifixion. Jesus didn't want to suffer anymore than you or I would have wanted to. But above all, He knew that He was destined to die for our sins.

But why did He have to suffer, you ask? "But He was pierced for our trangressions; He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed." Isaiah 53:5

Hopefully I have answered all your questions Stoidela. Could you do me a favor though? I know you don't believe in God like I do, but could you show respect and not use the "F" word when reffering to Him?

And Bill: (Snarkberry)
If you don't want to talk about LDS, then that's cool by me. And I appreciate your apology. Unlike some people on this board, you have shown that you have a good heart, even though we don't see eye to eye.

Adam

ARG220 wrote:

And Bill: (Snarkberry)
If you don't want to talk about LDS, then that's cool by me.

Was it Spock who did a little too much "LDS" in college?

Seriously, the reason I don't want to talk about the LDS church with you is, you have repeatedly bashed, slammed and misrepresented it, and this out of complete and total ignorance of what it's all about. You have called it a "false religion," "rediculous [sic]," a "cult," and other choice words. You have called me "confused" and other Mormons "confused and deceived". When I have explained to you that Mormonism is not any of those things, you have repeatedly acted like the proverbial "brick wall," unteachable and stubbornly arrogant in your belief that yours is the only true religion. The nicest thing you ever said about Mormonism is that its web site is "interesting." So do you blame me for not wanting to talk to you about it? Your mind is closed.

To quote someone familiar to this board, "You're impossible! Just impossible!"

I won't debate you further on this subject.

Well Bill, if you give enough time, I could show you why I said all those things about Mormons. All I'd have to do is read a little more from that website, or go to my Christian book retailer and buy a book about cults, and I'd have no problem showing you why Mormons are a deceived people.

But I'm not going to force you to talk about anything. And since you THINK I'm a "brick wall," then I guess we're through on this subject, eh? Just do me a favor. If you're not going to discuss it with me, then study the Bible more, and then compare it to the Book of Mormon, and the teachings of John Smith. Or go to your local Christian book store (cause you said Mormons are Christian, right?) and pick up a copy of a book that compares Mormonism to the teachings of the Bible. I garantee if you do that, then your eyes will be opened wider to the things of God.

Seek the truth Bill, and you will find it.

Adam

Arg:

No, you didn't answer my questions at all. You repeated information I already had. That we all have, because the story of Christ permeates our culture.

In questioning you, I am asking YOU to question. You repeat endlessly that God is loving. You go on and on about how wonderful and great he is, and you also insist that you DO think, that you are NOT mindlessly following stuff that has been thrown at you. Yet you don't stop to question: "If God loves us so, why did he create the Tree of knowledge, put it right in front of Adam and say 'don't eat'? What was he trying to prove? What was the point? Why did he want to tempt and test Adam and Eve right out the gate? WHAT KIND OF GAME WAS HE PLAYING?" Instead you come back with the incredibly lame and irrelevant "Why did he make birds? Because they're pretty." Talk about checking out on stuff you don't want to hear!

If the entity in question in this scenario was a human being, you would think they were a jerk. Or if you didn't think they were a jerk, you would certianly question WHY they were doing what they were doing, wnd whether it was appropriate or necessary, and what the situation said about the person in question and thier personality.

IMagine it as a father. Father has something he KNOWS will be bad news for his child, and also irresistably interesting. For the sake of argument, let's say it's a loaded gun. So he takes a big fat Magnum 357, all shiny and new, and places it right in the middle of the child's playroom. He says to the child: "Everythign in this room is yours to play with. Except this gun. It's bad, it will cause you to die. It's terrible. That is the one thing you can't touch." Then he leaves.

Wouldn't you consider that a sick mindgame on the part of the father? Would you consider that a loving, wise, thoughtful thing to do? Would you consider it necessary? Would you BLAME the child that picked up the gun?

Because that's the equivalent tale, and it SUCKS. So for my money, the whole story begins badly, with God demonstrating what a crummy example of wisdom, love or compassion he is and I reject it from there. I have no respect for him as he is portrayed in the Bible, and I cannot fathom why anyone would.



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Here, Stoidela, is a link to help explain the whole Adam and Eve story. It's the sixth chapter of an online guide called "Gospel Principles." It's simplified, but it does help explain things.
The Fall of Adam and Eve

It explains that "Adam fell that men might be, and men are, that they might have joy." Without the fall of Adam and Eve, they would have remained in the Garden of Eden, forever childless, and not knowing good from evil. Read the link for more details.

Stoidela,
A lot of people believe in YHWH. They like Him. A lot. And their beliefs aren't hurting you. I understand why you don't like Him. I can think of few dieties mankind has ever worshiped that were as capriciously violent. But purposefully trying to poke holes in someone's belief system is both pointless and rude. It rarely convinces anyone, and it's always an offense to the person.

Arg,
Why do you care what Stoidela and others believe? And please, don't try to say it's out of love and concern for their souls. I know the difference between sincere concern for someone, and religious fanaticism that just wants to be right. You don't fool me for a minute. I mean, your posting on the Internet, in the Pit for cryin' out loud. That's not because you care. If you love YHWH so much, get off the Internet, and pick up your bible. Or pray for people. You'll make a lot fewer enemies.

Your Quadell

Where man is sinful, and we need some form of atonement for our sins.

Dang. I was so sure that said, "Where man is painful, we need some ointment for our skins."

I guess I read that wrong, didn't I?

Quadell asks:

Arg,
Why do you care what Stoidela and others believe? And please, don't try
to say it's out of love and concern for their souls. I know the
difference between sincere concern for someone, and religious fanaticism
that just wants to be right. You don't fool me for a minute. I mean,
your posting on the Internet, in the Pit for cryin' out loud. That's not
because you care. If you love YHWH so much, get off the Internet, and
pick up your bible. Or pray for people. You'll make a lot fewer enemies.

I know you think you've got me pegged Quadell, but you don't. The fact is that I've prayed for all of you, and I have high hopes that maybe one of you, just one of you, would see God the way I see Him. And the way that millions of other Christians like me see Him. And I read my Bible, quite a lot these days, since I rely on it to answer the many questions you guys ask me. (I read it every day before, but now I read it double)

I love God with all my heart. And I realize where I am. Lynn Bodoni once asked that if I wanted to witness, that I go to the Spiritual Channel, or something like that, on AOL. Well, let me ask you, what are the chances that ANY of you would go to that place. Why do you think preachers go into biker bars, and nasty places like that? It's because the chances are good that the people who inhabit those places do not know the ways of God. Same thing here. I haven't found one person yet who believes what I do, and I consider that a blessing. Because maybe I can help some of you open your eyes to the truth, and the truth will set you FREE.

(more gratuitous witnessing snipped)

[Note: This message has been edited by Lynn Bodoni]

Ugh ... drink the effing kool-aid, already.

Ugh ... drink the effing kool-aid, already.

Is this an insult to me? If it is, then I don't understand it. Maybe it wasn't an insult, who knows. Maybe it's an expression that I'm not familiar with. But, could you explain it to me? Thanks.

Adam

Arg:

Ever heard of Jim Jones? The Guyana mass suicide, using cyanide-laced Kool-Aid so they could all go home to Jesus?

Get it now?



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Stoidela

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On November 18, 1978 (before your time, but some of us have perspective) in a small town named Jonestown in the South American country of Guyana, a terrible thing happened. A large group of people, sincere in their belief that they were following the Will of God, committed suicide by drinking cyanide laced Kool-Aid on the instruction of their preacher, the Rev. Jim Jones. They had moved to this retreat to experience the unbounded Joy of Knowing God away from outside influences, and they brought their children along with them to share this joy.

Mothers fed the poison to their children. People lined up calmly to get their dose.

There is a lesson to be learned from this. Never trust what another person tells you about God's Will. Think for yourself. And every cult looks reasonable and the One True Way to those inside it.

Sorry, Adam, but you're a good example of one of the many reasons I don't believe in your god, to wit, I don't like His salesman.

Adam's latest sermon shows that his god is useful mostly for engendering a feeling of euphoria. Thus being the moral equivalent of a dope dealer.

Arg: (I read it every day before, but now I read it double)


As in doubletalk?

Arg: I haven't found one person yet who believes what I do, and I consider that a blessing.

Trust us, kiddo, the rest of us consider that a blessing also.

Now that you mentioned that Guyana thing, it sounds vaguely familiar. But thanks for the little history lesson Dr. F. That's just one more example of people doing stupid things in the "name of God." Then it gives the real Christians a bad name.

And Monty: Don't twist my words to mean something else. You knew perfectly well what I meant when I said both those statements.

Adam

Adam didn't have to sin. God didn't "set it up" that way.

Like hell he didn't. A truly all-powerful deity capable of creation could, in the blink of an eye, have chosen to create the universe in which Adam didn't choose to sin. But he didn't. He could've chosen to create the universe where the devil didn't exist. But he didn't. He had all the possibilities of creation at his fingertips, suppposedly, and chose to create this one, so it's his fault.

By disobeying God, Adam and Eve brought sin into a sinless world.

So something exists that was not created by god, ergo at least one other being is capable of acts of creation equivalent to those of god. Cripes, do you everconsider the logical implications of anything you say?

Anyone who thinks all people are inherently bad should be locked away as a sociopath, BTW.

ARG220 wrote:

Because when it comes time for Christians to be judged by God...

The whole point is that I'm not a Christian. I am not governed by your rules, your religion, or your god.

Your own quote above says it: your god will judge Christians, who are the people who follow and worship him. That group does not include me. I have no reason to worry about the teachings of your messiah, because I am not one of the people he was sent to save.

One has every right to be concerned about one's own soul; since you accept Jehovah as your overlord, you should expect to be judged in the afterlife. But my soul is my own, and no one has any claim on it but me.

Auraseer: When you take one of my quotes, and just show a snippet, it takes what I said and puts a different spin on it. Please, if you're going to quote me, then quote the whole paragraph so you don't change the meaning of what I say.

I realize that you're not a Christian. You say:

But my soul is my own, and no one has any claim on it but me.

Yea, and I bet you're pro-choice too. As it stands right now, your soul is not your own. In fact, it belongs to Satan. If you so chose, you can accept Jesus, and then you'll be free of Satan's grasp. My gosh, I've never heard anybody say that "My soul is my own." You, my friend, are making a grave mistake. Because one day you'll find out just who you belong to. God have mercy on your soul.

Adam

Love the leap there to being pro-choice.

I am too. I guess I'm in Satan's grip.

I've always found it fascinating that the sickest, most evil, twisted, and dastardly persons almost invariably come from extremely religious backgrounds.

Hmmm.



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Well Stoid, you're in Satan's grasp too. But it's not because you are pro-choice, or swear about God, or do whatever it is you do. You're in Satan's grasp because...well...you haven't made Jesus your Lord. Jesus says that if you're not for Him, then you're against Him. It's pretty simple really. Either you serve Him, or you don't. And unfortunatly for you, you've chosen not to serve Him.

I've always found it fascinating that the sickest, most evil, twisted,
and dastardly persons almost invariably come from extremely religious
backgrounds.

Wow, we may actually agree on something. 'Cause I think the same thing too. (Well, kind of) To understand what I mean, look in the Bible about what Jesus has to say about religion. See how He deals with those religious Sadducees, and Pharisees.

The thing that none of you have yet understood is that being a Christian has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with having a relationship.

Adam

Friends and neighbors, like I said in another thread, it's all about ego and comfort. People like Adam think they and the rest of humanity are worthless wretches, so it gives their ego a stroke to imagine that they know some secret, important thing about you that you yourself don't know. We've all seen it again and again and again.

You're in Satan's grasp because...well...you haven't made Jesus your Lord.

So, almost everyone who has ever lived is/has been in Satan's grasp.
Does this mean Satan wins?

Arg, your relentless witnessing has finally shown me the light and I have accepted your God. Do you mind if I test my new wheels?


Dear Lord,

Just make Arg go away!!

Amen


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He who walk through airport door sideways going to Bangkok. - Confucius

So, almost everyone who has ever lived is/has been in Satan's grasp.

Yes! I see somebody's catching on here.

Does this mean Satan wins?

Not in the least. Although he's having his fun here on earth, he will eventually find himself burning forever, along with all his minions in hell.

Diane: I'll bet you were one of those people who personally complained to Lynn Bodoni about getting me kicked off the board. Well, if you notice, we are currently in the "Hey ARG220, Over here!" thread. So somebody must want me to stick around.

Adam

I can only hope that someday you won't be mistaken.
One must contain a disease to cure it. Since your happy-face dithering will continue no matter what is said to you, best to keep it in just one place.
We labeled it nice and prominent-like so you could find it.

Damn, it almost makes me wish that I hadn't accepted Jesus as my Personal Saviour. The company on the other team looks like more fun. Maybe I could enter into Satan's Grasp for a little while, and then go to Confession, to clear it up.

Personally, I feel that Satan (or however you wish to anthropomorphize anti-social thoughts and actions) has a firmer grasp upon those who are prideful in their ignorance and intolerance of the sincere beliefs of others.

I can only hope that someday you won't be mistaken.
One must contain a disease to cure it. Since your happy-face dithering
will continue no matter what is said to you, best to keep it in just one
place.
We labeled it nice and prominent-like so you could find it.

So, this thread is like a little holding pen? Or a little chamber where I can be free to say whatever I want? Heaven forbid that I might break free, and contaminate the entire board with my "happy face dithering!"

Ahhh, sometimes you guys crack me up.

Adam

I think Adam's really a nice guy who wants the best for others, as he sees it. But, as Lynn has pointed out several times, this is the BBQ Pit, not the Heaven Daily Journal. I had the same problem when I first came onto AOL's SDMB about a year and a half ago--preaching my religion, that is. I still sometimes forget what this forum is supposed to be about and wax didactic, but I try not to. After all, there are only a billion or so Usenet newsgroups to preach to, if I wanted to.

Adam, I suggest you go to the newsgroup called talk.religion.misc if you really can't hold back. They will probably welcome any views you wish to share, or at least not complain that you are witnessing to them. I'm sure there are also Pentacostal Christian newsgroups, as well as general ones. And if you really want to cause trouble (g), you can invade the alt.atheism NG and start preaching to them.*


*Actually, I don't recommend you preach to anyone, period. But at least learn a little about other religions before you attack them. It makes folks grouchy when you purport to understand their religions, yet cannot even get the names of their founders correct (e.g., it's Joseph Smith who founded the LDS church, not John Smith).

Reading ARG's posts, I have wavered between being amused and being irritated (nothing in between). However, his incessant witnessing has become tiresome.

Personally, I'm just glad he doesn't have my phone number or address, like the "Christ Dude" (imagine a cross between ARG and Keanu Reeves) I met my freshman year in college. This guy tried to tell me that my (Methodist) beliefs weren't enough to get me into Heaven. He'd call me and try to get me to drop whatever I was doing to come to Bible study ("Sorry, Christ Dude, God want's me to study for my Physics final now") and tell me that it was urgent that I start spreading the "Good News." After I finished finals and went home, I figured I had gotten away from him. Not so. I got a call one day from the Christ Dude, "Dude, I didn't have your home phone number and it was, like, a lot of trouble to get it (no shit, Sherlock). It's like, urgent (he used that word a lot) that you become like Christ's disciples and start spreading the word of Jesus and baptizing people or you're going to Hell." I blew him off and thankfully never heard from him again.

My point is this. Contrary to PLD's statement

People like Adam think they and the rest of humanity are worthless wretches, so it gives their ego a stroke to imagine that they know some secret, important thing about you that you yourself don't know.

I honestly think that ARG believes that if he doesn't do everything he can to show us all the path, that he himself will not be able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. i.e. he not only has to try to enlighten us, he has to be unrelenting in this pursuit, or face dire consequences.

Unfortunately, people like ARG invariably induce more people to shun religion than embrace it. Fortunately, despite the harassment of the Christ Dude, I remained true to my beliefs and continue to do so to this day.

Arg, your relentless witnessing has finally shown me the light and I have accepted your God. Do you mind if I test my new wheels?

Dear Lord,
Just make Arg go away!!
Amen
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. . . .Not in the least. Although he's having his fun here on earth, he will eventually find himself burning forever, along with all his minions in hell

blah
blah
blah. . . .

Arg

I want my money back.

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KITTEN

He who walk through airport door sideways going to Bangkok. - Confucius

Guys, I think we now know the utter hopelessness of this enterprise, if in fact we didn't already. Adam is a BABY! he's only 21! Doesn't nearly EVERY 21 year old believe utterly in whatever it is they believe in, whether it's Marilyn Manson, Quake, or Christ? 21 year olds are, as a group, the embodiment of ignorant arrogance. (With some exceptions, of course.)

Check back with him in a decade or so and see what's what. I imagine the story will be very different.



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Stoidela

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And in ten years how will we find him? There's a lot of Wal-Marts, and all their Assistant Managers look alike. We could start searching through the red-neck wife beaters out bass fishing, but the odds of finding the right one are long. I know, we could just take a random sample, as they all sound alike, if we can get one to put down his beer...

Diane- Jesus DID show hatred and intolerance, of a sort. Remember the moneychangers in the temple?

quote: And in ten years how will we find him? There's a lot of Wal-Marts, and
all their Assistant Managers look alike. >>

Funny, I had the sucker pegged for a Denny's Regional Manager.


The thing about this Adam guy, or Arg, or whatever the heck he calls himself, is he's a dime a dozen. I've seen this guy, or a cheap replica, at every freakin' message board I've ever visited. This one's a wooden-headed Christian with a blind spot a mile wide; another one's a mysogynistic freak who gets his kicks baiting feminists; yet another is a gun-toting militia wacko with a flag pole up his bum who rants and raves and foams at the mouth about the mud people. You know these guys - they're the ones who speed dial their favorite talk radio shows at the same time every day to hear themselves shriek over the airwaves. Too bad they never hear a word anybody else says. They might learn something. Heck, they might even find somebody to talk to other than their dozens of cats.