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Old 01-22-2005, 04:08 PM
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My car's keyless remote doesn't work with key in ignition...does yours?

I read an article reccommending to keep my car key separate from my remote. I could start the car, lock it and go back in the house while the car warmed up in winter, and I could never lock myself out of it. Sounded like a good idea to me.

So I tried it and found that the remote lock/unlock system is disabled when my key is in the ignition. It seems to me this makes the remote a lot less useful than it might be.

So, is this typpical or atypical? FTI, I have a 2002 Mazda Protege 5.
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Old 01-22-2005, 04:41 PM
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'99 Ford Mustang, the remote doesn't work while the engine is running.
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Old 01-22-2005, 06:10 PM
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Doesn't much matter for me, the remote and key are one unit, unless I want to use a screwdriver.
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Old 01-22-2005, 06:34 PM
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2000 Volvo, remote won't work with key in the ignition. I too would find it more convenient if it did. The new Volvos have a switch-blade all in one system, so it's moot.
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Old 01-22-2005, 09:16 PM
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I have a 2004 Honda Civic and the remote will not work if the key is in the ignition while it is running or not.
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Old 01-22-2005, 09:51 PM
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Maybe it's too early to generalize yet, but... Mazda, Ford, Volvo and Honda...

I wonder why they build in a disabling system? It doesn't strike me as a security or a safety issue.
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Old 01-22-2005, 11:43 PM
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Same with my 2002 Toyota.
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Old 01-22-2005, 11:56 PM
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My mom's '98 Infiniti is the same way. Drives me nuts because every time I use it, I can't find the control on the dash to pop the trunk. So, to pop it open for someone to whom I'm giving a ride (so he can get his stuff), I have to kill the engine and remove the key from the ignition to use the little button on the remote.
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Old 01-23-2005, 04:22 AM
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I learned the hard way that my Nissan's remote doesn't work when the key is in the ignition. The first and only time I've ever locked myself out.

Does anyone have any clue why this should be?
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Old 01-23-2005, 04:37 AM
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I learned the hard way that my Nissan's remote doesn't work when the key is in the ignition. The first and only time I've ever locked myself out.

Does anyone have any clue why this should be?
Well on my car the central locking also arms the alarm and turns on the engine immobiliser.
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Old 01-23-2005, 06:25 AM
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My mom's '98 Infiniti is the same way. Drives me nuts because every time I use it, I can't find the control on the dash to pop the trunk. So, to pop it open for someone to whom I'm giving a ride (so he can get his stuff), I have to kill the engine and remove the key from the ignition to use the little button on the remote.
This is the only case so far where disabling it actually makes sense -- if one of the buttons opens a door rather than just unlocking it. You wouldn't want to pop the trunk (or open a door like you can remotely in some minivans I've seen)when something in your pocket presses against the remote button while you're rolling along the highway.

But they could disable just that command, or disable it except when the gear is in Park. And my remote doesn't have any such potentially dangerous button.
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Old 01-23-2005, 09:24 AM
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Yes it is a wonderful thing. Many a dollar has been made on cold mornings when someone goes out starts the car, locks the door and realizes the remote does not work.
Persoanlly, I would rather not go out and unlock cars when it is that cold out, but hey spare keys duplicated can pull in some dough as well. But, Osip has got to eat!

I am not sure why this is almost the standard, I do know my Honda Insight works that way. Says so in the owners manual!
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Old 01-23-2005, 01:02 PM
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2001 Ponitac Sunfire. I can (and quite often do) use the Keyless remote with the key in the ignition and the car running.
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Old 01-23-2005, 03:23 PM
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2001 Ponitac Sunfire. I can (and quite often do) use the Keyless remote with the key in the ignition and the car running.
Lucky bastard! That's 1.
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Old 01-23-2005, 03:54 PM
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Yes it is a wonderful thing. Many a dollar has been made on cold mornings when someone goes out starts the car, locks the door and realizes the remote does not work.

How are you guys getting locked out? On most of the electronic locks I've seen in the last 5-10 years, the driver's door cannot be locked without the door being close i.e you are already in or out of the car. Hasn't this been other peoples experience? If that's the case the purpose of the disabling might be so that you can't lock the key in the car and then lose the remote.
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Old 01-23-2005, 04:20 PM
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A lot of people around here get remote car starters installed, to warm up their cars in the winter. For about $200 installed, you can start your car remotely from indoors and not even have to go outside until it has already warmed up.
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Old 01-23-2005, 05:52 PM
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How are you guys getting locked out? On most of the electronic locks I've seen in the last 5-10 years, the driver's door cannot be locked without the door being close i.e you are already in or out of the car. Hasn't this been other peoples experience? If that's the case the purpose of the disabling might be so that you can't lock the key in the car and then lose the remote.
You can't figure out how people lock themselves out of cars? Look in the yellow pages -- there are businesses that do almost nothing but open up locked cars.

My car locks itself within a minute of being opened by the remote, key in ignition or not, engine running or not, driver inside or not, as a security measure. I assume this is to prevent an accidental unlocking from leaving the car vulnerable indefinitely. If I get in, put the key in the ignition, and suddenly get out because I've forgotten something, I'm screwed.
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Old 01-23-2005, 06:06 PM
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You can't figure out how people lock themselves out of cars? Look in the yellow pages -- there are businesses that do almost nothing but open up locked cars.

So you disagree that most driver door locks don't have the safety feature I mentioned? If a car locks up on it's own like yours, I could see it happening frequently but what other combinations of moves can you do to lock the keys in? Not trying to start an argument I am just not sure how people manage to do it on modern cars.
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Old 01-23-2005, 06:45 PM
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I don't wish to argue wither, but I don't really understand what safety feature you're speaking of. The door cannot be locked without being closed? Am I reading that right? No, I don't agree with that.

Leaving out the remote from the equation, when I leave my car I press a "master lock" button on the inside driver's door, which locks all 4 doors. Then I shut the door, and all 4 doors stay locked. Which gives me yet another way to lock myself out.

My previous car, an 87 Chevy Nova, had a feature similar to what you're talking about, but the locks were strictly manual. If you locked the door, then closed it, the button would pop up, and the door would unlock itself. But you could defeat this by pressing on the door latch button on the outside while you were closing the door and it would stay locked. And pressing the button became a pretty automatice thing, as you'd have to use your key every time you exited if you forgot to hold the button. And of course, once it became a practically unconscious act, it became easy to forget not to hold the butten down the relatively few times you wished to exit without locking the door. And OOPS, locked out again.

Personally, though, I never did lock myself out of my car. I managed it 2 or 3 times with my house, however, so that now I have all deadbolts that can't lock themselves as I pull the door shut.
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Old 01-23-2005, 06:58 PM
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2001 Ponitac Sunfire. I can (and quite often do) use the Keyless remote with the key in the ignition and the car running.
Damn you! My '97 won't and doesn't have a trunk button on the car itself.

Sadly the unlock button has pretty much stopped working, but the trunk button is still working. I'm wondering if it's worth it to get it checked out.
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Old 01-23-2005, 08:44 PM
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95 Monte Carlo. Yes, I can do that. However, whether I use my remote or under dash button, I always have to put the car in park to pop the trunk.
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Old 01-23-2005, 09:48 PM
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I don't wish to argue wither, but I don't really understand what safety feature you're speaking of. The door cannot be locked without being closed? Am I reading that right? No, I don't agree with that.
Hmm, well there you go I guess. Either I'm sheltered or it's regional (if you don't see locations I'm in Ontario). That's been standard on a lot of cars I've driven recently (even cars without electronic locks). If you lock the driver's door and open it, it unlocks. It's annoying to get used to but basically forces you to lock the door with the key in your hand (or remote ATCMB).
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Old 01-25-2005, 11:29 AM
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Sadly the unlock button has pretty much stopped working, but the trunk button is still working. I'm wondering if it's worth it to get it checked out.
I don't have a trunk button in the car either, but because I owned a 2000 sunfire that was totaled before buying the 2001 I have lots of remotes should 1 stop working.
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Old 01-25-2005, 03:02 PM
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I own a 2003 Land Rover Freelander. I believe it exhibits the same behavior, although I am not positive. However, you don't need to worry about locking yourself out of the car, because it is almost impossible.

The driver's door will not lock if it is open. The remote will lock all of the other doors, but not the driver's. You can't even push the little button down by hand. So it is impossible to accidentally lock the driver's door and then close it. Can't happen.

You could, in theory, unlock the passenger door only by using the key in the lock, then set your keys down on the seat, manually lock the passenger door, and close it, thus locking your keys in the car. But that would take a lot of effort.
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Old 01-25-2005, 11:53 PM
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I learned the hard way that my Nissan's remote doesn't work when the key is in the ignition. The first and only time I've ever locked myself out.
Don't you lock the door with the remote? If you locked yourself out, it is because you didn't use the remote (unsuccessfully) to lock the door. Also in many neighborhoods it is not a good idea to leave your car running, while you are somewhere else (insurance doesn't cover thefts in such cases.)
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Does anyone have any clue why this should be?
Could it be so that you don't open the truck while going 75 mph down I-85?
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Old 01-26-2005, 05:36 AM
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Don't you lock the door with the remote? If you locked yourself out, it is because you didn't use the remote (unsuccessfully) to lock the door. Also in many neighborhoods it is not a good idea to leave your car running, while you are somewhere else (insurance doesn't cover thefts in such cases.):
Could you clarify, "You didn't use the remote unsucessfully to lock the door."? With the key in the ignition, you can't use the remote to lock or unlock the door, which is my point in startting this thread. And I grew up in a city on the top 10 list of American cities for per capita auto theft, and being able to lock my car with the remote while I left it to warm up sure would have been a nice thing.

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Could it be so that you don't open the truck while going 75 mph down I-85?
And we're talking about unlocking rather than opening the door. My dashboard has warning lights if my doors aren't properly latched, so I don't see a safety issue here. Of course, I'm not a personal injury lawyer.
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