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Old 01-26-2005, 11:02 PM
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Star Wars - Episode III Crawl Revealed

You can read the crawl at starwars.com:

http://starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/...6/indexp2.html

Spoliers in the link (nothing more than the crawl).
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Old 01-26-2005, 11:47 PM
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Very nice... sounds like an interesting beginning to Ep III.
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Old 01-27-2005, 12:00 AM
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Needs more CAPITALIZATION of IMPORTANT WORDS.
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Old 01-27-2005, 12:00 AM
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The holes in the plot are just too much too take. I used to be a huge fan but the series has gone to hell imho I'll wait until it comes out on cable.
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Old 01-27-2005, 12:02 AM
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Will there be an Ep VII, I wonder? Or will Lucas just hang it up after this?
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Old 01-27-2005, 12:10 AM
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Ahhh.... Boy! Evil "General Grievous" . I think even the original "Buck Rogers" scriptwriters might have paused at that.
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Old 01-27-2005, 12:20 AM
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Needs more CAPITALIZATION of IMPORTANT WORDS.
I thought I was the only one who was thinking this. Welcome to the club. You are insane also.
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Old 01-27-2005, 01:48 AM
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Will there be an Ep VII, I wonder? Or will Lucas just hang it up after this?
I dunno, but he's been phoning it in since Return of the Jedi.

And even then, the Ewoks were a bit hard to take.
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Old 01-27-2005, 01:53 AM
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War!
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Old 01-27-2005, 02:29 AM
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Ahhh.... Boy! Evil "General Grievous" . I think even the original "Buck Rogers" scriptwriters might have paused at that.
Maybe, but it would have fit right in in the Flash Gordon serials, which have much more of an influence on Star Wars.

I like the text of the crawl. That crafty Sidious -- there's no word to adequately describe his evil machinations.
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Old 01-27-2005, 02:54 AM
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Oh, and for folks who are too lazy to follow the link:

SPOILER:





War!
The Republic is crumbling
under attacks by the ruthless
Sith Lord, Count Dooku. There

are heroes on both sides.
Evil is everywhere.


In a stunning move, the
fiendish droid leader, General

Grievous, has swept into the
Republic capital and kidnapped
Chancellor Palpatine, leader of
the Galactic Senate.


As the Separatist Droid Army

attempts to flee the besieged
capital with their valuable
hostage, two Jedi Knights lead a

desperate mission to rescue
the captive Chancellor...

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Old 01-27-2005, 03:33 AM
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Grevious kicked major ass in the Clone Wars cartoon. But I don't see the movie living up to that portrayal, unfortunately.
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Old 01-27-2005, 03:51 AM
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Needs more CAPITALIZATION of IMPORTANT WORDS.
Of course it doesn't; it's Episode III. Only the ones with even episode numbers get CAPITALIZATION.
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Old 01-27-2005, 03:54 AM
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I think there's a typo in that text. I'm pretty sure the original Mojo Nixon lyrics specified that "Elvis is everywhere."

How can there be heroes on both sides? Wouldn't the ones fighting in the service of a ruthless Sith Lord be qualified as villains?
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Old 01-27-2005, 03:56 AM
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War!
You mean WAR!
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Old 01-27-2005, 04:00 AM
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You mean WAR!
Good God, y'all...
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Old 01-27-2005, 04:55 AM
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Good God, y'all...

You forgot the HUH!
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Old 01-27-2005, 07:52 AM
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Well done, Larry Mudd.
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Old 01-27-2005, 07:54 AM
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You forgot the HUH!
What is that good for?
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Old 01-27-2005, 07:57 AM
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Absolutely nuthin'!
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Old 01-27-2005, 08:18 AM
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Or Lucas could have done it like this.

This is WAR baby. War baby.
The Jedi are scared, so scared.
Whatever this is they keep putting them through...


I would personally like it to read like this though:

The Republic is getting FUCKED up by Sarumans armies.
Seeing their hood being smashed up, Yoda and Mace L. Jackson decide to get their SWERVE on and return the Steez. Join us now, as shit gets insane for the next 2 hours of space battles, lightsabre fights and shit blowing up . Its on like DONKEY KONG motherfuckers...

(Enter Star Destroyer from above)
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Old 01-27-2005, 09:38 AM
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Absolutely nuthin'!

Say it again
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Old 01-27-2005, 09:43 AM
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Now that was good, Larry Mudd. I could even hear the swelling orchestra as I read it.

Come to think of it, maybe it wasn't all that good. It made me want to see it and I completely forgot my resolution to wait until I could rent it. Damn your oily hide.
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Old 01-27-2005, 02:21 PM
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Now that was good, Larry Mudd. I could even hear the swelling orchestra as I read it.
It's even better if you set your browswer to smooth-scroll and tap the down key as you read it.
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Old 01-27-2005, 06:10 PM
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Oh, and for folks who are too lazy to follow the link:
Cool job with the coding.

One comment:
SPOILER:
In a stunning move, the
fiendish droid leader, General

Grievous, has swept into the
Republic capital and kidnapped
Chancellor Palpatine, leader of
the Galactic Senate.

Maybe it's just me, but this little snippet strikes me as encapsulating what's been wrong with the prequels. I mean, that seems like a pretty important incident. Why does it happen between movies? Wouldn't it be fun to actually see this happen? Isn't that like a major plot point and stuff? If Lucas were actually thinking about the story he's telling, wouldn't he put that story on screen instead of shifting major pieces of it offstage?

Because apparently it's more important to devote twenty minutes of valuable screen time to a a whiny little kid in a completely irrelevant speeder race...
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Old 01-27-2005, 06:22 PM
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FWIW, spoilers don't work on Mozilla.

S'okay, I was in the midst of following the link anyway.
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Old 01-27-2005, 06:42 PM
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I think Larry Mudd colored the text yellow on purpose and put it in a spoiler box so that he could make the neato yellow on black resemble the movie crawl. Spoiler boxes work fine in Mozilla/Firefox/Safari.
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Old 01-27-2005, 06:48 PM
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Yeah, just not with colored text.

I think it's OK to have some action happen off stage. We didn't see the rebel spies steal the death star plans, after all (in IV or VI...those poor Bothans).

Remember, we're no longer seeing a sage of the defeat of an evil empire...we're watching the fall and rebirth of Anakin Skywalker.
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Old 01-27-2005, 07:45 PM
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capitalization leads to the dark side.
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Old 01-27-2005, 07:47 PM
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On windows now. Sorry, Larry Mudd, I see what you were doing now. Most excellent.

I've only been on Mozilla a short time, and I'm still feeling my way around. I thought the spoiler not working was a quirk. This was the first thread I've encountered while on Mozilla that contained spoilers.
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Old 01-27-2005, 07:52 PM
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Maybe it's just me, but this little snippet strikes me as encapsulating what's been wrong with the prequels. I mean, that seems like a pretty important incident. Why does it happen between movies? Wouldn't it be fun to actually see this happen? Isn't that like a major plot point and stuff? If Lucas were actually thinking about the story he's telling, wouldn't he put that story on screen instead of shifting major pieces of it offstage?

Because apparently it's more important to devote twenty minutes of valuable screen time to a a whiny little kid in a completely irrelevant speeder race...
Well said.
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Old 01-27-2005, 09:18 PM
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I should point out that I brazenly stole that technique from someone who posted in the epic "I AM NOT THE GRAPIST!!!" thread a while back.

I think the extradiagetic plot points are an attempt to make the films more like the Saturday afternoon serials, where it was expected that the audience would miss the occasional installment and have to play a bit of catch-up.
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Old 01-27-2005, 09:28 PM
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Unless the crawl contains an apology for some of the crap he's foisted upon us, I'm not going to be overly optimistic that this film's going to be any better than the last.

Oh, and rumor has it that Lucas is going to turn the franchise into a TV series after this.
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Old 01-27-2005, 10:35 PM
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Cool job with the coding.

One comment:
SPOILER:
In a stunning move, the
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Grievous, has swept into the
Republic capital and kidnapped
Chancellor Palpatine, leader of
the Galactic Senate.

Maybe it's just me, but this little snippet strikes me as encapsulating what's been wrong with the prequels. I mean, that seems like a pretty important incident. Why does it happen between movies? Wouldn't it be fun to actually see this happen? Isn't that like a major plot point and stuff? If Lucas were actually thinking about the story he's telling, wouldn't he put that story on screen instead of shifting major pieces of it offstage?

Because apparently it's more important to devote twenty minutes of valuable screen time to a a whiny little kid in a completely irrelevant speeder race...
From my understanding, Palpatine has JUST been kidnapped. Lucas wants to start this film with a bang. The first shots will be dropping us right into the midst of a full scale space battle above Coruscant. And the reason they don't show the kidnapping is because

SPOILER:
Palpatine is not kidnapped, he goes willingly, seeing as how he is Sideous and he is in cahoots with Dooku, but that isn't meant to be revealed at the very beginning of the movie. DUR! Now as for WHY Sideous stages this whole event has yet to be revealed and that's one of the few things we rabid fans will have to wait til May 19th to find out.
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Old 01-27-2005, 10:37 PM
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! That can't be true. It's IMPOSSIBLE!
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Old 01-27-2005, 10:39 PM
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Old 01-27-2005, 11:35 PM
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I'm in the camp that thinks that if it's that simple, Lucas will have sealed his fate entirely. I mean, it was incredibly, painfully obvious that he was hinting that Palpy was Sidious in the first prequel, even if you DIDN'T put two and two together on the names. And yet, despite it being the most painfully obvious assumption possible, he's continually filmed it as if it were some big secret to be dramatically revealed later.

If it is dramatically revealed to be just what everyone assumed it to be from the get go, then it will thus be utterly, totally pathetic.
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Old 01-28-2005, 06:20 AM
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I think it will turn out to be.........



Mace Windu is Anakin's father....


it's just a really bad bit of casting....

do you think after Episode III it will be possible - - with editing to create a REALLy kick ass prequal ??
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Old 01-28-2005, 06:40 AM
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C'mon - you just know that after the latest atrocity Lucas is just going to go right back to the start and re-make the first three all over again, in line with his "original artistic vision". It's been nearly thirty years, after all - just ripe for a re-make.
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Old 01-28-2005, 06:49 AM
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C'mon - you just know that after the latest atrocity Lucas is just going to go right back to the start and re-make the first three all over again, in line with his "original artistic vision". It's been nearly thirty years, after all - just ripe for a re-make.
He's done that. The game plan now:
Release III on DVD with lotsa extras.
Release I, II, III in a special box with lots of extras.
Re-do I-III, release for theatre.
Start dishing out those, one by one on DVD.
Special gift box of all three.
By that time, IV, V, VI will be ready for another eXtreme makeover and it starts all over again.
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Old 01-28-2005, 09:55 AM
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I'm in the camp that thinks that if it's that simple, Lucas will have sealed his fate entirely. I mean, it was incredibly, painfully obvious that he was hinting that Palpy was Sidious in the first prequel, even if you DIDN'T put two and two together on the names. And yet, despite it being the most painfully obvious assumption possible, he's continually filmed it as if it were some big secret to be dramatically revealed later.

If it is dramatically revealed to be just what everyone assumed it to be from the get go, then it will thus be utterly, totally pathetic.
Well then I'm glad you won't be in the theater with me. Good riddance.
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Old 01-28-2005, 10:01 AM
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C'mon - you just know that after the latest atrocity Lucas is just going to go right back to the start and re-make the first three all over again, in line with his "original artistic vision". It's been nearly thirty years, after all - just ripe for a re-make.
You said it yourself. His artistic vision. He conceived the story, and can do whatever the hell he wants to it. If I were him I'd be laughing my ass off to see so many people who apparently "don't care anymore," yet continue to bitch, as if a gun is being held to their heads while they buy a ticket to the next installment.

I'm personally grateful for the fact that the original trilogy even happened at all, especially considering all the trouble Lucas had to go through, including inventing whole new ways of making movies in the process. Would you rather have never had Star Wars at all, ever? If you don't like the reissues, don't buy them, that simple. If you don't like the prequels, don't see them. Again, pretty simple.
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Old 01-28-2005, 10:09 AM
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I'm in the camp that thinks that if it's that simple, Lucas will have sealed his fate entirely. I mean, it was incredibly, painfully obvious that he was hinting that Palpy was Sidious in the first prequel, even if you DIDN'T put two and two together on the names. And yet, despite it being the most painfully obvious assumption possible, he's continually filmed it as if it were some big secret to be dramatically revealed later.

If it is dramatically revealed to be just what everyone assumed it to be from the get go, then it will thus be utterly, totally pathetic.
Eh, you've seen into the future. The group of kneebiters he's currently targeting will presumably have not see RotJ.

Anyways, I have to ask, what did you mean about 'put two and two together on the names'? It's not an anagram or anything.

Am I missing something?

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Old 01-28-2005, 10:18 AM
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Eh, you've seen into the future. The group of kneebiters he's currently targeting will presumably have not see RotJ.

Anyways, I have to ask, what did you mean about 'put two and two together on the names'? It's not an anagram or anything.

Am I missing something?

-Joe
If you've only ever seen the movies, then no where does it say that the Emperor's name is Palpatine, but in the original novelization of Star Wars: A New Hope, there is a short little blurb that explains the current political situation, and the emperor's name is given as Palpatine.
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Old 01-28-2005, 10:47 AM
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Also, the same actor who played the Emperor in RotJ (Ian McDiarmid) plays Palpatine in 1, 2, & 3. Another big clue there.
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Old 01-28-2005, 10:55 AM
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General Grievous?

Is Lucas even trying anymore?
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Old 01-28-2005, 11:08 AM
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C'mon - you just know that after the latest atrocity Lucas is just going to go right back to the start and re-make the first three all over again, in line with his "original artistic vision". It's been nearly thirty years, after all - just ripe for a re-make.
You will pay the price for his lack of (artistic) vision!
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Old 01-28-2005, 12:27 PM
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Eh, so the same actor plays them both and a novelization from 1977 gives the Emperor's name.

This is not something an average movie fan will figure out on their own. Look at Ian McDiarmid - it's 20+ years later and he looks YOUNGER than the Emperor. Certainly you guys are wrong!

I can see people taking Lucas to task for certain things, but to me this one is a non-starter.

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Old 01-28-2005, 01:04 PM
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I just sent a nasty email to Boing Boing because Cory Doctorow posted the crawl text in a .gif on the front page without spoilering it! I'm a hardcore spoiler virgin type, but since I've been unwillingly deflowered, here I am.

Best of the three prequel crawl texts. I am encouraged. In order to maintain my faith in humanity, I continue to hope for a good Ep. III. All of the pieces are there to make it good, he's just got to put them together.

Damnit, George, put it together!
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Old 01-28-2005, 01:53 PM
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I think it's OK to have some action happen off stage. We didn't see the rebel spies steal the death star plans, after all (in IV or VI...those poor Bothans).

Remember, we're no longer seeing a sage of the defeat of an evil empire...we're watching the fall and rebirth of Anakin Skywalker.
Yeah, I can see that; ostensibly the "real" story of the trilogy centers on this one dude, with everything else supposedly revolving around that.

But what does it say about Lucas as a storyteller when that "everything else" is far more interesting than the main character and his arc? Seriously, what would you rather watch? A bold kidnapping from the Republic's capitol of its most important governmental figure (who furthermore may have have set up the whole thing as an elaborate piece of politically deceptive theater), or a braided ponce lurching about a meadow on a bloated tick?
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