24: Season 4: Episode 16 (10:00pm - 11:00pm)

[Monstre]

Originally Posted by c_goat

I feel bad for all the nameless CTU people that get killed going somewhere with Jack.

Jack: Michelle, I'm gonna need another backup team, quick!
Michelle: I'll send some right over.
* makes another call *
Michelle: Agent Red? Agent Shirt? You guys are closest to that position. Get over there.
Agent Red: HELL no! You'll have my resignation on your desk shortly. I'm going to apply for Assistant Manager at Burger King, now.

[Monstre]

Originally Posted by RikWriter

SPOILER:

Actually the Prez lives.

Hey, do you guys all remember when Jesus Christ wandered in the desert, fasting and praying, for something like 40 days? Well, the modern translations got one detail wrong. It was Rikwriter who was out there trying to tempt him with bread and stuff...

[Monstre]

Originally Posted by quixotic78

And I thought they did a nice job with the shocked silence from Jack, Chloe et al at the end of the episode when they found out that Air Force One had been hit (indirectly, which I assume means that one of the fighter planes took a hit and some shrapnel hit the 747).

Or maybe it hit a bird that was flying by, just outside AF1. (Maybe Anderson loaded the beak-seeking missiles by mistake... )

[Evil One]

For those who saw the preview next week, I think we may be asked to suspend disbelief in a major way soon. I hope I'm wrong.

[Rich Mann]

My suspension of disbelief is as hardy as can be, but I know that AF1 does not have the same cheapo cordless phone that is sitting on my coffee table.


When Jack was talking to Mr. Anderson I cracked, "My name is Neo." Yeah, nobody laughed here either.

[Greywolf73]

Okay, I don't know the first thing about this but wouldn't it have made much more sense for the Prez and son to, oh I don't know, maybe put on a parachute or something? Instead of standing around gaping at each other in disbelief? And where was all the Prez's staff? You'd think there would have been total chaos with folks running around trying to protect the man in any way they possibly could.

The "shooting the fake FBI agent through the drywall" trick was pretty nifty though. Terrorists really ought to consider passing around Jack's photo with the warning: If you see this man anywhere near you, kiss your ass goodbye."

[Mr. Moto]

Not parachutes, no, but I would have expected them to strap into their seats.

[kidchameleon]

Originally Posted by Broken Wind

Ooo, and lot's of knife snuffings this season! (Jack>Terrorist>Back o' the neck / Jack>Terrorist>Three to the chest / FBI agent impostor hottie>Jack's bud>Back o' the neck) There are probably more that I am missing.

Jack>Jack>Stomach

[Stuffy]

Originally Posted by Greywolf73

Okay, I don't know the first thing about this but wouldn't it have made much more sense for the Prez and son to, oh I don't know, maybe put on a parachute or something? Instead of standing around gaping at each other in disbelief? And where was all the Prez's staff? You'd think there would have been total chaos with folks running around trying to protect the man in any way they possibly could. .

Wouldn't help. There's no way to jump out of a pressurized 747.

[Strinka]

Originally Posted by kidchameleon

.Jack>Jack>Stomach

That's not a snuffing. He stabbed himself, but didn't kill himself.

[c_goat]

Originally Posted by ElectricZ

I realize we're talking about 24 here (AKA "Plot Contrivance Playhouse") but doesn't Air Force One have countermeasures out the wazoo? Flares? ECM? Disbelief has always been flying high with this show, but a single missile (fired from a missile armed F117 no less) got through? I mean, AF1 was on full alert, they knew they were going to be attacked, the escort fighters were covering... It seems like SOMEBODY should have TRIED to jam or spoof one lone missile!

I was also a little surprised they didn't at least SEE the missle and attempt some evasive action. Just because the missile was fired from an "invisible" plane doesn't mean the missile is invisible. I would have expected a bunch of alarms going off, AF1 banking sharply and the Prez & Son being thrown around the cabin, at the least.

But I really don't know anything about such things, and figured that if the missile really only took the 10 seconds or so to cover the distance, they didn't really have time to detect and react. The show really is more fun when you don't realize when things are wrong.

[BobT]

Originally Posted by Evil One

For those who saw the preview next week, I think we may be asked to suspend disbelief in a major way soon. I hope I'm wrong.

You mean unlike other weeks?

I enjoy the show now because I have completely dismissed the show from reality. I sleep better at night.

Unlike Jack Bauer.

[Orbifold]

Originally Posted by Stuffy

Wouldn't help. There's no way to jump out of a pressurized 747.

Of course, this isn't just any 747, this is Air Force One. You think they'd have an escape pod or something.

Oh, and add me to the list of people who's wondering why nobody considered chaff, flares, radar jamming, stuff like that.

[Survey1215]

Im in my hotel room this weekend, reading the TV Guide and its little write-up on Chloe and it claims her primary gig is in comedy. I guess I'd believe it if I saw it but its hard for me to picture her in a role where she's supposed to be funny w/o being unbelievably freaking annoying.

If CTU would just bring in Rick O'Connell and Ardeth Bey they'd find and subdue Marwhan immediately - jeez, isn't anyone thinking over there?

[The Mad Hermit]

Not in defense of Chloe, but Mary Lynn Rajskub is great in Kelsy Grammer's sketch show, and the did the Downer Channel a few years ago. I consider the hatred for her that seems to be prevalent on the internet as a sign of her being a good actress- she convinced them.

[MovieMogul]

Originally Posted by Stuffy

Wouldn't help. There's no way to jump out of a pressurized 747.

Didn't the very first episode of the very first season of 24 have exactly this occur?

[interface2x]

Originally Posted by Greywolf73

The "shooting the fake FBI agent through the drywall" trick was pretty nifty though. Terrorists really ought to consider passing around Jack's photo with the warning: If you see this man anywhere near you, kiss your ass goodbye."

They would, but he never leaves any alive to tell the tale...

[Monstre]

Originally Posted by ArchiveGuy

Didn't the very first episode of the very first season of 24 have exactly this occur?

Yep -- cute terrorist chick set a bomb on the plane, and then blew open the door with a smaller explosive, which of course immediately depressurized the plane. But she wasn't exactly concerned with the survival of the rest of the people on the plane. In fact, she was shooting for the exact opposite.

That would probably be a bit drastic of an action for Prez and Son to try to take...

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Originally Posted by ArchiveGuy

Didn't the very first episode of the very first season of 24 have exactly this occur?

The terrorist blew out the door and was sucked out of the plane. Once clear of the plane, she opened her chute.

[Stuffy]

Originally Posted by Survey1215

Im in my hotel room this weekend, reading the TV Guide and its little write-up on Chloe and it claims her primary gig is in comedy. I guess I'd believe it if I saw it but its hard for me to picture her in a role where she's supposed to be funny w/o being unbelievably freaking annoying.

She's in "That Sketch Show" and she's been pretty funny in it. My wife and I were discussing how different she looks in both mannerisms and facial expressions in the disparate shows. She's apparently a good actress.

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by Monstre

Yep -- cute terrorist chick

Now wait a minute.
Forgive me, but how can you have a cute terrorist chick?
"I want you to take this bomb and a parachute on the airplane and...You whore! I can see your ankle!"

[RancidYakButterTeaParty]

Originally Posted by carnivorousplant

Now wait a minute.
Forgive me, but how can you have a cute terrorist chick?
"I want you to take this bomb and a parachute on the airplane and...You whore! I can see your ankle!"

Maybe I'm wooshing myself here, but the cute terrorist chick is an American carnivorousplant

[Monstre]

Originally Posted by carnivorousplant

Now wait a minute.
Forgive me, but how can you have a cute terrorist chick?
"I want you to take this bomb and a parachute on the airplane and...You whore! I can see your ankle!"

Yep, she was an American terror chick.

More of a mercenary, than a chick with a "cause". Cute lesbian mercenary plane-blowing-up chick...

[MaxTheVool]

Originally Posted by Monstre

Yep, she was an American terror chick.

More of a mercenary, than a chick with a "cause". Cute lesbian mercenary plane-blowing-up chick...

Or as we frequently refer to her, the "frequently naked lesbian assassin". Ahh, Mia Kirshner, how I love thee.



Anyhow, no one has mentioned the greatest line from this episode.
"I means that you'll have to have the funeral without the body. (pause) Of your mother."


As for the target being AF1, on the one hand I was disappointed that it wasn't something else, just because there had been so many clues to it being AF1. On the other hand, what other show has the balls to shoot down AF1?

[Monstre]

Originally Posted by MaxTheVool

Anyhow, no one has mentioned the greatest line from this episode.
"I means that you'll have to have the funeral without the body. (pause) Of your mother."

Awwww, Chloe.... You always know just what to say!

[Troy McClure SF]

Originally Posted by MaxTheVool

Or as we frequently refer to her, the "frequently naked lesbian assassin". Ahh, Mia Kirshner, how I love thee.

Don't forget that Mandy, the Frequently Naked Lesbian Assassin was also the one who gave President Palmer the Handshake Of Doom.

[RikWriter]

I saw someone suggest on another board that this season might be related to season two's failed plot to start a war with some unnnamed Middle Eastern countries by setting off a nuke in LA. Max, the main bad guy from season two, mentioned at the end that they would have to try another method. Maybe this is it?

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by RikWriter

...they would have to try another method. Maybe this is it?

SPOILER:

If the guy really wants the nuclear codes, could they shoot at anyone?
Israel? Saudi Arabia to piss the region of more than it is now?

[quixotic78]

Originally Posted by Troy McClure SF

Don't forget that Mandy, the Frequently Naked Lesbian Assassin was also the one who gave President Palmer the Handshake Of Doom.

That was the same chick, wasn't it?

[Monstre]

quixotic78 -- Yes, that was the same girl. Mandy. She blew up the plane in season 1, then was the handshake girl in season 2.

I wonder if she'll ever be back in the 24 world...

[Hey, It's That Guy!]

Did they ever go back to the old man (the actor who played Mr. Raines on The Pretender) who surprised Curtis at the office building and killed Marianne in an earlier episode? I got the feeling he was supposed to be a major villain, perhaps relating to the shadowy conspiracies from earlier seasons, but I don't think they followed up on him since Jack rescued Curtis.

[RikWriter]

Originally Posted by Big Bad Voodoo Lou

Did they ever go back to the old man (the actor who played Mr. Raines on The Pretender) who surprised Curtis at the office building and killed Marianne in an earlier episode? I got the feeling he was supposed to be a major villain, perhaps relating to the shadowy conspiracies from earlier seasons, but I don't think they followed up on him since Jack rescued Curtis.

I thought he turned out to be a security guy for McClennan Forrester and got killed by Curtis? Or am I conflating two separate plot points?

[Monstre]

Originally Posted by RikWriter

I thought he turned out to be a security guy for McClennan Forrester and got killed by Curtis? Or am I conflating two separate plot points?

I don't think he was with McClennan Forster, but I think you're right -- he was a security guy at the office that Curtis took Marianne to, and I think the recently-escaped Curtis got him (when he was wandering loose in those locked-off floors).

[RancidYakButterTeaParty]

What is starting to bother me more and more is that we have Jack Bauer out in the field, pretty much solo besides a few dispensable "back-up" guys.

Meanwhile, back at CTU, Tony and Curtis are just shuffling papers and playing spider solitaire. Let's get all three of them in the field for a major ass kicking!

[amarinth]

Originally Posted by MaxTheVool

As for the target being AF1, on the one hand I was disappointed that it wasn't something else, just because there had been so many clues to it being AF1. On the other hand, what other show has the balls to shoot down AF1?

Not just shoot down AF1, but shoot down AF1 for no #$&*$@-ing reason whatsoever

I didn't really like this President. And the "well, son, my highly paid gifted speech writers are doing a horrible job - but you, who can barely string a five words together at a time. You write my speech" did not work for me. Not at all. So, I was more or less ok with seeing it fall.

But I'd still like a reason for the terrorists. Again, "America sucks" is just not enough. Why does it suck? What, specifically, did it do? What do you want in the future? I know this about most other terrorist groups - some of them have flimsy, stupid answers to those questions, but answers nonetheless.

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by amarinth

What, specifically, did it do?

Usually going to their country and causing women to show their ankles and/or supporting the Israelis in their efforts to stay alive.

[Monstre]

Just in case anybody happened to miss it...

Fox is replaying this one (Ep. 16) tonight (Sunday, Apr. 10) at 9:00 PM.

[Marley23]

There were logical holes, as always, but I still thought this one got the show out of the doldrums it'd been in for the last couple of weeks. AF1 being attacked wasn't a surprise, but at least it was dramatic.