Discworld reading club 1: The Colour of Magic

There are no inconsistencies in the Discworld books; ocassionally, however, there are alternate pasts.
- Terry Pratchett, alt-fan-pratchett

I’ve had a hard time thinking about what to do with spoilers. I think most that might participate in these threads are re-reading the books, but that doesn’t mean we can throw spoilers around. There might be someone who just decided to get into the Discworld universe and who knows if someone does a search two years from now and stumbles on a spoiler.

Obviously, the current book needn’t be discusssed in spoiler boxes. However, hindsight is 20/20 and some part of The Colour of Magic is mostly interesting when compared to what will come later. It’s not written in stone, but I think it should be fair to talk about character development, without using spoiler boxes, whereas plot elements of future books need to be boxed. Someone coming to Discworld now, or later, can’t be surprised to know that Rincewind survives falling off the Disc, since he features in about nine more books. Talking about the way he acts in TCoM as compared to later works should be OK, as long as no plot points are revealed.

It was published in 1983 and it’s not really a surprise that Pterry didn’t quit his day job until 1987. There are some fun parts, but on the whole, it has more of the feeling of many of those Harry Potter and LoTR parodies, which have been poluting our bookstores the last 5 years or so. It’s not a parody of a specific book, but rather all the awful efforts that were made to become a new Tolkien.
The problem with parodies is that the reader needs intimate knowledge of the original work. Pterry realized that he had a good thing going; the Disc can accomodate a lot of plots and a big cast and in later efforts, he starts making parodies that we all can recognize - things in our everyday lives. This is not present in the first books, however. There’s a printing history in my copy of the book, and the first reprint took two years, so TCoM wasn’t a runaway success.

The book contains four major parts plus two prologues: The Colour of Magic, The Sending of Eight, the Lure of the Wyrm and Close to the Edge. It feels as if they weren’t meant to be published together, but rather short stories written for a fanzine, since the stories tend to repeat plot elements, mentioned just a few pages earlier. There are also references of actions taking place off stage, but these feel left out, as if there were more stories and his editor decided to skip them.

If this is the first exposure to Rincewind, I can understand why so many people have a disliking for him. The gutter wizard has absolutely no loveable traits and have little in common with the Rincewind we will meet in later books. A failed wizard, of course, but he gets a lot more humanitarian with time, whereas in this book, he is not much more than a vicous rodent. Ideas about how society works, what Unseen University is like and life on the Disc aren’t very well fleshed out. Character development is poor, the plots are weak and mostly stupid, containing no or little excitement. On the other hand, Pterry takes up a lot of space trying to make the Disc seem logic to our minds. There are lengthy passages about the nature of the Disc, seasons and the like. It’s as if Pterry got an idea and he’s begging the reader to buy into the same idea.

Rincwind is not the only character that get changed a lot. DEATH is the most obvious other example. In TCoM he’s a really malicious character who kills people in spite. I read this back to back with Hogfather and I can help but wonder why Pratchett decided to make Death the most recurring character (he’s in every DW book).

The first part, set in Ankh-Morpork, serves little more purpose than introducing Rincewind and giving us a setting. I think part of it is also making fun of fantasy fans, having Twoflower as the tourist, stand in for the typical reader of fantasy, with Pterry telling us that no, the life of heroes is not really exciting. The description of Ankh-Morpork and its inhabitants is not likeable at all.
The second part, with the soul eater and tree people, is more of the same stuff. “Hey, this is what it would be like if you really dropped in for the adventures in a fantasy boook”. The soul eater is not very scary and the tree people are creepy. We get to meet Hrun, Pratchett’s first attempt of putting a Hero in the story and making fun of the concept of Heroes. I can’t help but seeing Ahnold as Conan in this part.
Wyrmberg, and its dragons, is yet more of the same, and it’s only when we reach Krull that things are picking up. Pratchett’s dry sense of humor and humanitarian streak starts shining through here, and even if the story is flawed, there are elements to it that show us things that will mature in later books. These are also present in the interludes with the Gods, most prominently the Lady and Fate.

I come across as very negative, but TCoM is quite enjoyable in a low key kind of way. Had Pterry kept writing in the same way, I’m sure he’d still work for that nuclear power plant. There are promises of better things to come, but maybe that’s just hindsight.

I’ve always thought this and the next book were underrated. In fact, it was the third book “Equal Rites” that almost made me give up the series, but I’m glad I kept going.

I just wanted to point out the source material for these stories. The first is a parody of the old Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser books by Fritz Leiber. The second is a parody of H.P. Lovecraft stories and the third is a parody of the Pern novels by Anne McCaffery.

But I will agree, it does help to know the source material, but that can be said for almost any of the books.

And a question for readers of the series. Which Patrician do you think is in this book? Vetenari, Snapcase, Winder?

According to Pterry, it’s…

Ventinari, but it really doesn’t match his character of later books. Pterry said, it was the same Patrician, only written by a worse author.

I never read it as Vetenari. “Crystalized jellyfish” and rings on the fingers clanging when he drummed his fingers on the table. No way, that’s Vetenari.

Thanks for the references.

Yeesh, what a long haul to get through that thing. Despite the occasional clever idea or witty line The Colour of Magic (my US edition spells it the British way, oddly enough) is fairly bland. The prose lacks the same quality that the later books do and the some of the gags fall very flat.

I think the Sending of Eight has more in common with RE Howard’s Conan stories than straight out HP Lovecraft. Both authors shared certain ideas and used them in different ways; Hrun the Barbarian and the fact that the vile god could be fought puts me more toward Howard than Lovecraft but reasonable people can differ on this.

I think that in these early books Rincewind is intended as the direct opposite of the heroic fantasy character so his faults are plainly obvious. This can only be taken so far so by the time Interesting Times rolls around the character has gone from mean to just cowardly.

I have to say that the Patrician in this books is in my view Snapcase rather than Vetenari. The characterization is completely different and this patrician does things that go directly against Vetenari’s stated habits (someone pointed out the crystalized jellyfish already).

Pointless boasting moment that I’ve got to include since I got curious and looked it up. The Colour of Magic being one of my least favorite Discworld books I had not picked it up in hardcover yet. I’ve been content to pick up cheap book club editions since I’m buying hardcovers for looking nice on the shelf and durability for reading. So I shell out my $5 for a slightly beat up novel, the dust jacket is a bit worn and there is some marking on the inside cover, but it’s a first US edition which even when scuffed up like this goes for a small fortune.

Maybe I’ll sell it and get a propper hard cover Eric rather than the library edition I have. Or I could just sit on it and enjoy it.

Personally, I think the Patrician in TCoM is Lord Snapcase. Just a hunch, even though PTerry says otherwise. What does he know, he is only the author! :smiley:

It’s amazing I got through the first three books. The series gets so much better with Mort.

Actually, since I’m just speed reading through the second book and thinking of the next OP, The Líght Fantastic is better in the order of several magnitudes. I’ll be in hospital next week for surgery and don’t know what state I’ll be in for reading. I also have my exam for comp lit, so I’m taking time off with light reading.

I have the distinct feeling that Pterry has sold a lot more copies of TCoM in the 21st century, as people go about and complete the series, than he did in tose first years.

Another interesting point is to read his first short story, written when he was 13, and reprinted in Once More. It’s much better literature than TCoM, showing that he was a better writer than the submitted evidence here shows. I tend to think that he didn’t really know where he was going wit DW at the time.

Of course, had his name been Terry Lucas, he’d have re-written it by now, banned all reprinting of the first edition and added cameos by Vimes and Granny Weatherwax.

Even so, the luggage is still fun.

TCoM is interesting on many levels, but to me, it’s fascinating to go back and read the series on order and watch Pterry hone his craft to mastership. Certainly TCoM fits that bill - he has a concept and in the first 2-3 books in the series, it’s obvious that he’s learning how to express that concept. And when he does, hoo-boy!

Isn’t that what he did whith The Carpet People? Without the cameos, of course.

so I might as well cut and paste it into the next discussion, rather then save it to disk, since I am now at a public terminal.

Speaking of that, isn’t this the book where Twoflower takes a picture of Death’s realm? To quote jsgoddess:

Thus, I do not recall, but I have two questions about it. As I recall, death has a daughter. She is quite different from the gel seen in other books, and appears to be an entirely different person. Anyone ever read any explanation, or have any idea what Pratchett intended to do with her? I don’t recall having seen any on the newsgroups. Also, as I recall, when Twoflower looks at the picture he has taken, it reveals things to horrible to say. It is my personal theory that either the four horsemen are Lovecraftian things too horrible to see, or the picture was of a blank cavern.Any ideas on this?

Again, since this is from the next book, feel free to ignore it.

Death’s daughter Ysabell (an adopted mortal) is only properly in one book, Mort, where she falls in love with the title character and moves back into the mortal world. In Soul Music they both die in a carriage accident in the first few pages. This causes Death to give his job up (again), and his granddaughter Susan takes over for him. Susan is the quasi-mortal girl featured in all of the subsequent Death stories.

My first Pratchett novel was The Light Fantastic, and I don’t remember the order where I got my other early Pratchetts, but I’m pretty sure that I didn’t read TCoM until after I was already good and hooked.

I don’t have much to add to what others have already said, except that it is fun to see Pratchett’s early ideas fleshed out and writing techniques refined over time. As The Gaspode notes, the chapters seem like short stories strung together; I doubt there are any “missing chapters,” though, but the disjoint between parts is probably just a literary style than anything else; The Light Fantastic is (in retrospect) Pratchett’s first “real” Discworld novel.

Still, despite its disjoint nature and roughness in some parts, I thought TCoM was a fun read. It’s not as deep or insightful as some of Pratchett’s later works, but as summer fluff reading and a parody of existing fantasy conventions, it’s mostly harmless. :wink:

Funniest bit: Rincewind watching the female dragon-riders hanging upside-down from the cavern, and describing the effects of gravity on their anatomy… :smiley:

Note that Ysabell (Death’s daugther) and Susan (Death’s granddaughter) are two differnent characters, hence the different characterizations.

My wild-ass guess is that Pratchett wrote Ysabell as a one-shot character in one book, with an option to reuse her if he had more ideas. Since he didn’t, she quietly exited stage left, as it were.

Haven’t read much Pratchett (The Color of Magic, Light Fantastic, Equal Rites, and Small Gods), but I have to agree. I enjoyed the first two books, and then read Small Gods (interesting, but not the amazing book that so many people portray it to be). Then I read Equal Rights… and I haven’t read one since ;).

Now, I’ll probably start up again, but I do have a lot of books to read before I think about it (right now I’m studying for the bar exam and reading “Eragon” and “Seabiscut”).

No, Ysabell makes another appearance in Mort and, possibly, in Reaper Man. Not sure about the second one.

rjung, Miller, thank you. However, is Ysabell named in The Light Fantastic, or is she an entirely different girl from the one in Mort, as I seem to recall?

I think you’re mistaken. IIRC,

[spoiler]Death doesn’t “quit” over grief for the deaths of Mort and Ysabell – he doesn’t have the capacity for that. Heck, he “quit” (or was “fired”) in Reaper Man.

He does pointedly shows Susan about how cold efficiency he needs in his job, to send his own daughter and son-in-law to their deaths, but he doesn’t get weepy about it.[/spoiler]

Ysabell does not appear in Reaper Man.

The funny thing is, I loved Small Gods, one of my favorites. It does have an extremely slow section near the end, but it also has some of the best characterizations and observations in the series.

I have to agree with the majority on this one. TCOM definitely isn’t one of PTerry’s best but it worked for me as the introduction to the series. I got hooked on it and PTerry is even the subject of my BA thesis.
This is also the only DW book that has been translated into Slovene. To be honest, I was a bit dissapointed when I learned that PTerry was going to be translated into my mother tongue and I wasn’t the one doing it but the translator puled off the job quite well. She made some strange decisions concerning the names (which will of course be included in my thesis :smiley: ) but she managed to capture the feeling of the language and the book is a good read.
But who am I to complain. I’ll be translating one of the best fantasy authors in two months’ time.

Actually I agree. I think this especially become apparant after reading Nightwatch. In fact, I think the quote from Pterry was before he wrote that one. I think he may have come around.

How dare you, sir. Really, I can not believe your rudeness. :mad:

Dropping a hint like that, and not giving any details. :smiley:

P.S. I am sorry to hear about your hamster, but I am also confused. Last time I looked, Torgo was brought here to help people, not eat pets. How odd.