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Old 09-26-2005, 09:28 PM
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What was the distance from The Shire to Mordor (LOTR)?

Is there anyone that could give an estimate, if possible, of

(1) The distance from Hobbiton to Mount Doom, as the crow flies.
(2) The distance that Frodo actually journeyed, which was probably in a somewhat roundabout way.
(3) The time it took from the start of the journey to the end?
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Old 09-26-2005, 09:49 PM
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Is there anyone that could give an estimate, if possible, of

(1) The distance from Hobbiton to Mount Doom, as the crow flies.
(2) The distance that Frodo actually journeyed, which was probably in a somewhat roundabout way.
(3) The time it took from the start of the journey to the end?
Drawing from Karen Wynn Fonstad's Atlas of Middle-Earth (which draws heavily on JRRT's copious details about times and distances, we get the following:
1) About 1100 miles
2) 1560 miles or so
3) Frodo left Hobbiton on September 23rd, and arrived at the Cracks of doom on March 25th. Per the Shire Calendar.
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Old 09-27-2005, 02:08 PM
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Wow, that was more than I expected. Thanks.
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Old 09-27-2005, 03:11 PM
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I think you'll enjoy this take on the answer to your question:
http://www.ooblick.com/text/tomordor/
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Old 09-27-2005, 03:14 PM
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3) Frodo left Hobbiton on September 23rd, and arrived at the Cracks of doom on March 25th. Per the Shire Calendar.
Not enough information.

Was it a leap year?
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Old 09-27-2005, 03:43 PM
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Not enough information.

Was it a leap year?
Hmm... well while we're being sticklers for detail, my calculations say that Frodo averaged 8.6 miles per day. Of course, there were many times that he stopped and rested. Like in Rivendell and Lothlorien, but I'm not certain how long he stayed in Lothlorien (my reading of the book says they lost track of time there due to the influence of Galadriel's elven ring). I wonder how many travel days there were compared to rest days?
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Old 09-27-2005, 04:38 PM
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Leap year is irrelevant, since the Shire calendar puts leap-day in the summer. And it's implied that they stayed in Lothlorien for a month (or some whole number of months, but I think probably just one). Rivendell I think we can call two weeks: About ten days for Frodo's recovery, then the Council, then another couple of days to organize and set out.
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Old 09-27-2005, 06:22 PM
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Is there anyone that could give an estimate, if possible, of

(1) The distance from Hobbiton to Mount Doom, as the crow flies.
(2) The distance that Frodo actually journeyed, which was probably in a somewhat roundabout way.
(3) The time it took from the start of the journey to the end?

Shouldn't that be as the Nazgūl fly?

Wonder if they got frequent eagle miles back then?
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Old 09-27-2005, 06:55 PM
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Leap year is irrelevant, since the Shire calendar puts leap-day in the summer. And it's implied that they stayed in Lothlorien for a month (or some whole number of months, but I think probably just one). Rivendell I think we can call two weeks: About ten days for Frodo's recovery, then the Council, then another couple of days to organize and set out.
I don't have my copy of the Appendices at hand, but don't they actually give the dates of the various departures (from Rivendell, and Lothlorien)?
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Old 09-27-2005, 07:07 PM
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I don't have my copy of the Appendices at hand, but don't they actually give the dates of the various departures (from Rivendell, and Lothlorien)?
October 24

Frodo recovers and wakes. Boromir arrives in Rivendell at night.

October 25

Council of Elrond

December 25

The Company of the Ring leaves Rivendell at dusk.

January 17

The Company comes to Caras Galadon at evening.

February 16

Farewell to Lorien. Gollum in holding on the west bank observes the departure.
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Old 09-27-2005, 07:25 PM
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Shouldn't that be as the Nazgūl fly?
Actually, now that I think about it, I'm curious about that. Did the winged creatures that the Nazgūl flew have a name? Why didn't the Nazgul just bring them to the Shire in the first place instead of their dark horses?
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Old 09-27-2005, 07:35 PM
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Shouldn't that be as the Nazgūl fly?
Nooo it should be as the Crebain fly.
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Old 09-27-2005, 07:58 PM
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Drawing from Karen Wynn Fonstad's Atlas of Middle-Earth
See, what's scary about this is Qadgop answered the OP 21 minutes after it was posted. Not taking into account that he happened on the thread just after it was posted, his rapid answer suggests that he has LOTR references sandwiched between Gray's Anatomy and the PDR 2005, 58th Ed. It's a shame that Medcins Sans Frontiers didn't have a group put together to help out with casualties from the battles. Qadgop would have been perfect for the assignment and in 7th heaven.

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Old 09-27-2005, 08:20 PM
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Did the winged creatures that the Nazgūl flew have a name?
Fell Beasts, IIRC.

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Why didn't the Nazgul just bring them to the Shire in the first place instead of their dark horses?
Apparently the Beasts were in the shop being serviced at the time. According to the book, there was a raid in Rohan, and the Orcs stole black horses, which I assume were the same horses that the Riders later rode. I guess one might assume that the Riders were in great haste and didn't have time to gas up the Lear-beasts, so they raided a stable and galloped off to Hobbiton.
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Old 09-27-2005, 08:23 PM
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See, what's scary about this is Qadgop answered the OP 21 minutes after it was posted. Not taking into account that he happened on the thread just after it was posted, his rapid answer suggests that he has LOTR references sandwiched between Gray's Anatomy and the PDR 2005, 58th Ed. It's a shame that Medcins Sans Frontiers didn't have a group put together to help out with casualties from the battles. Qadgop would have been perfect for the assignment and in 7th heaven.

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I just got the image of him grabbing the wrong book at work.

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Old 09-27-2005, 08:26 PM
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A more serious reply, but probably not a better answer:

Apparently earlier in the books, Sauron was still operating secretly, so the Wraiths went as black horsemen.

Shortly after Helm's Deep, a winged Nazgul flies overhead, and Gandalf exclaims something like "The Nazgul have come West of the River! War is upon us!" So, apparently a Winged Nazgul was a Great Portent or something, where 9 evil Black Riders was something you saw every day.
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Old 09-27-2005, 09:27 PM
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Hmm... well while we're being sticklers for detail, my calculations say that Frodo averaged 8.6 miles per day. Of course, there were many times that he stopped and rested. Like in Rivendell and Lothlorien, but I'm not certain how long he stayed in Lothlorien (my reading of the book says they lost track of time there due to the influence of Galadriel's elven ring). I wonder how many travel days there were compared to rest days?
Get your hands on the Atlas of Middle Earth. It breaks down just how far the travelers went each day! Fortunately JRRT made notes about how long an "ent-stride" was, so folks have been able to estimate how far Treebeard carried Merry and Pippin.

I've got the Atlas right here, but I'm not gonna count up all the travel vs. rest days for the whole fellowship. Took me long enough to add up the miles for you!
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Old 09-27-2005, 09:30 PM
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his rapid answer suggests that he has LOTR references sandwiched between Gray's Anatomy and the PDR 2005, 58th Ed.
Vlad/Igor
Don't be silly. My LOTR reference books are much more readily available than Gray's Anatomy or the PDR. First things first!

(Actually the current PDR is too damn bulky to pick up and use anymore. I get my drug data online. Anatomy too.)
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Old 09-27-2005, 09:45 PM
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I think you'll enjoy this take on the answer to your question:
http://www.ooblick.com/text/tomordor/

I did enjoy very much, that you.
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Old 09-28-2005, 12:01 AM
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About ten days for Frodo's recovery, then the Council, then another couple of days to organize and set out.
I'm a bit late, but after the council, they sent out scouts, including Aragorn (I think) and the sons of Elrond. They had at least a month before the scouts returned.
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Old 09-28-2005, 04:44 AM
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Drawing from Karen Wynn Fonstad's Atlas of Middle-Earth (which draws heavily on JRRT's copious details about times and distances, we get the following:
1) About 1100 miles
In perceptive of our world, how far would that be? Beijing to New York, for instance?
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Old 09-28-2005, 05:07 AM
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In perceptive of our world, how far would that be? Beijing to New York, for instance?
1100 miles is more like New York to St Louis.
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Old 09-28-2005, 09:58 AM
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1100 miles is more like New York to St Louis.
But which end is Mordor?

My answer was going to be, oh about a thousand pages.
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Old 09-28-2005, 11:20 AM
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The google ads say 'Buy your Frodo has failed stickers! Low price!'
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Old 09-28-2005, 11:58 AM
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*snark* Now one of the Google ads says "Planning A Trip?"?

Yeah... I'd like a one-way ticket to Mordor , please, and could I get a lay-over in Rivendell? (Those Elves know how to PARTY !)
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Old 09-28-2005, 12:48 PM
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I think you'll enjoy this take on the answer to your question:
http://www.ooblick.com/text/tomordor/
That was funny, but didn't look entirely accurate. Frodo never got that close to Minas Tirith, for instance.... unless I'm missing the joke, and the website shows the route he'd PLANNED when he was sitting in front of his PC at Bag End, and not the route he actually TOOK (thanks to Boromir's Ring-grab and other complications).
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Old 09-28-2005, 01:38 PM
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Well, it also doesn't mention the detour on the route through Moria, but that's about par for the course for internet trip planning.
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