Christians: is the idea that Christ married and/or had kids blasphemous to you?

Christians: is the idea that Christ married and/or had kids blasphemous to you? This subject came up during a discussion with my Christian Mom and she considers the idea very blasphemous.

Do any of the Christians here feel the same way? If so, why? Is there a reason to believe a messiah cannot be married and have kids, and still be a messiah?

Or is it that this is simply a conflict with the Bible? Is it possible, in your opinion, that Jesus could have been married but it simply was not stated so in the Bible? Or does it actually explicitly state he died unmarried?

It isn’t to me, but I don’t believe it happened either. The big points about Christ is that he was without sin, he died and he was ressurected.

Having a wife and childern interferes with none of that.

However, the childern of christ thing tends to turn into a big conspiracy theory feeding frenzy, which is why I’m rather wary of it.

The Bible is silent on Jesus’ marital status and on whether he had children. There is no scriptural claim that Jesus was not married (and an unmarried rabbi would have been a deviation from the norm). There is also no scriptural basis for saying that a Messiah can’t be married or that it would be “blasphemous” to suggest that he was.

That’s the bible, though. Not all Christian doctrines are explicit in the Bible and it is taken as a matter of course in most denominations that Jesus was an asexual entity and, as such, many would call it heretical to assert that Jesus was married or had children. Heresy is in the eye of the beholder, though. It’s not like anything can be factually heretical or “blasphemous.” Heresy is whatever a given denomination says it is.

So I guess the answer is that many Christian sects would say it was counter to their doctrines to say that Jesus was marred but it’s not counter to the Bible or to any scriptural restriction on the Messiah.

I suppose he could’ve been. There was speculation that the passage where Martha(?) tells him to order Mary to help her meant that only a woman’s husband could tell her something like that; why wouldn’t Martha have just told Mary herself?
Food for thought. Though, would he have been able to have children? He seems to be missing some physical genetics on his fathers side.

If he really was missing half his genes, he’d only be alive via magic anyway, so that same magic could also allow him to have kids (or normal sperm).

For myself, this falls under the subject of Information Not Needed For Salvation. Considering the difficulty in just getting through each day doing my best to live a Christ-like life, it’s not a subject I choose to ponder.

I have no problems with this as a Christian.

I do find it silly that people claim that his descendants would be demigods (i.e.- have physical characteristics of Godhood).

I don’t think whatever makes one a God is a genetic disposition.

But, if anyone ever asks you are you a God, say yes.

Doubtful- yes (esp the kids part, to me); Blasphemous- heck no!

HPL summed it up well. The concept of a Catholic Church-conspiracy to cover up Mrs JC & the Jrs is annoyingly silly, esp since it would have had to include the very Gnostics who were alleged to be the Keepers of the Secret (no mention of a MaryMag being a WIFE & MOM for JC & His kids in any of the Nag Hammadhi writings).

I do think a wife & kids would have been a deterrent from his mission, which I do believe he knew would involve his execution. Basically, marrying & raising a family would not be a nice thing to do if you know you are doomed to a criminal’s death in advance.

BUT still, marital sex & reproduction has no impact on JC’s Deity or sinless humanity. Those who think so have unwittingly fallen into Gnostic heresy.

There certainly ARE people to whom the idea of Jesus getting married, having sex, and having children would seem blasphemous. I happen not to be one of them.

There’s absolutely no reason to think he DID, but it wouldn’t bother me in the least if he had.

To expand a little:

I never understood why “The Last Temptation of Christ” was supposed to be “controversial.” (Bad, yes. Cheesey, yes. Boring, yes… but not controversial.) It doesn’t show Jesus having sex. It just shows Jesus, at the most agonizing moment of his life, thinking that maybe, just maybe, a normal, ordinary, mundane happy human life (including marriage, sex and kids) would be preferable to death on the cross.

Apparently, to some, the very idea that Jesus might have found such a life (including sex) appealing was controversial in and of itself. What would have been so terrible about a MARRIED Jesus having sex with his WIFE eludes me.

In the same way, while I’m Catholic, I’ve never understood the traditional Catholic insistence that Mary remained a virgin in perpetuity. Scripture says she was a virgin when she conceived Jesus- okay, fine. But after that, what would have been sinful or disturbing about MARRIED Mary having sex with her HUSBAND Joseph, and having more children? How would that make her any less great a person?

Where is this in the Bible?

I’m not up on exact places where I have read things, someone more knowledgable may come along. 2 women were doing something, and one of them says to Jesus “Tell her to help me.”
Supposedly, the women could’ve asked the other women herself to help, but she was appealing to Jesus’ authority over the woman as her husband. An interesting line of thought.

Not blasphemous, but very problematic. If the Jesus depicted in the Bible was a father and/or husband, he would have been a very neglectful one, what with his itinerant lifestyle, lack of a steady paying job, allowing himself to be caught and crucified, and all. If Jesus had been married and/or had kids, it would have seriously interfered with his “mission.”

Not much all that much of a Christian, but I was raised ELCA. Went through most of high school, including a youth group. Well, one time we were watching The Last Temptation of Christ. I was getting really bored (Scorsese movies and I apparently don’t get along) and so at an appropriate time I said “He’s not the Messiah. He’s a very naughty boy!” About half the room broke up laughing and the other half shot daggers at me. A few looked puzzled.

Frankly, I don’t see a problem. If the doctrine is that Jesus was both fully human and fully divine, why should the divine part overrule the human part? Similarly, I don’t mind the idea that God spends some of his time drinking beer, eating pizza, and watching football. Many people seem to react to those sorts of ideas in horror. The way I see it, why be God if you can’t enjoy yourself some?

I don’t get the whole perpetual virgin thing either. The woman was married, mortality was high, people had lots of kids, and the Gospels even refer to the brothers of Jesus. Half-brothers, I guess, but still.

Moving thread from IMHO to Great Debates.

I think that most of the belief that Jesus could not have had a family comes from Luke 9, where Jesus tells potential followers that they cannot follow God if they put their family first.

If Jesus tells others that they must leave their family behind, then it stands to reason that Jesus had either left HIS family behind (except that his mother seems to hang around a lot) or that he did not have any family besides Mary, who was a follower and wouldn’t be left behind.

For myself, though, I believe that Jesus could not be the Savior unless he had faced the temptations that people suffer. As an example, a rich man who has never known hunger or want cannot really understand what a poor person needs to be “rescued” from poverty. The rich man can give money, food, and shelter to the poor man, but unless the poor man knows how to invest the money, store the food, and maintain the shelter, it doesn’t do much good in the long run. However, if the rich man gives up his wealth and lives the life of a poor man, the rich man can get a better understanding of the needs of the poor man, and through that understanding, forgive the poor man for not understanding, and teach him what he needs to know to be successful.

Jesus was born a man, and I believe that he must have experienced life as a man, not as a God. I find it perfectly reasonable that he was married, and that he might even have had kids, before he understood his life’s calling. He could tell people to give up their wealth and family because he had already done so, and as a result, he had more capacity to understand and forgive human faults.

Hmm… According to the Bible, Jesus got to know Mary only because he saved her life in his ministry. His ministry was apparently about 3 years long. If they were married and never had children (and, if THAT was the case it would seem all kinds of odd that it wasn’t mentioned in scripture), since we know Mary was following along with Jesus he wouldn’t have had to leave her behind. [Note that as Jesus is a Rabbi, and as Rabbis were typically married, not mentioning he had a wife could be explained by this just being normal.] Jesus is depicted as living a very frugal lifestyle. It is conceivable that during the “lost years” Jesus earned and saved enough money through work he could have supported himself and Mary during his short ministry.

The idea is not blasphemous to me, merely bizarre. We have an account of a man who considered himself free to journey around the country conducting what was for all practical purposes a religious revival for three years. In the social condition of first century Galilee, who’s supporting his wife and kids while he does this? And why do we have absolutely no evidence except the ultracryptic garbage of Holy Blood, Holy Grail and The DaVinci Code to prove it? People who have a hard time accepting the possibility that he existed at all are jumping to saddle him with a nuclear family – producing the truly peculiar picture of a woman who bears children to a myth. The evidence is nearly as good as the scenario of a few years back that having him traveling to Tibet to study Lamaistic Buddhism (which is I believe a trifle anachronistic).

For what it’s worth, the Catholic (and I think Orthodox) doctrine of Mary’s Perpetual Virginity (which is not held by other groups) probably owes more than a little to a sense of sinfulness in sexuality by those who hold it. But it is not theologically grounded in that idea, but in the original sin/Immaculate Conception/sacramental nature of marriage complexus of ideas. Like this:

All men and women, according to Catholic doctrine, are conceived and born in original sin, the common sinful heritage of humanity. This is distinct from actual sin but serves the purpose of separating the “natural” man (as opposed to one regenerated in baptism) from God. A woman with the heritage of original sin, however holy she might be in her effort to live a good life, would not be a fit receptacle for the conception and birth of God the Son, the Savior Jesus Christ. By a special act of grace, therefore, Mary was conceived (as a result of normal sexual intercourse between her parents) free from the taint of original sin. This is the much-misunderstood Immaculate Conception.

But in marriage, specifically in the conjugal act, husband and wife become one flesh. Joseph, while specifically called “a good man” in Scripture, was tainted by the common curse of humanity, original sin. For him and Mary to have had sexual relations, therefore, while in no way sinful but the proper behavior for a married couple, would mean that the sinless Mother of God and her sin-bearing husband would become one flesh. To preserve the miracle of her sinlessness, they voluntarily abstained from marital sex (otherwise their proper right and duty to each other) and kept her perpetually virgin.

As an Anglican, I do not hold to this belief. But in all fairness to Catholics, I think it’s only fair to explain it. (Note that while the Orthodox believe Mary to have been perpetually virgin, they do not buy into the Immaculate Conception/original sin system outlined here, which is specifically Catholic.)

As a Catholic I find the idea heretical but not blasphemous.

It is currently common for Rabbis to be married, and it could well have been back sometime after the destruction of the Temple by the Romans. However, until then- there really weren’t any “Rabbis”- just plenty of “rabbis”. The term (with a “R” ) didn’t arise until the first century CE. And, “Rabbi as a profession” didn’t come around until the middle ages. Although the teachings of Hillel (who died around AD/CE10) were very “rabbi-like”- one could say “the 1st Rabbi” was Jonathan be Zakkai, who emerged as the leader of the Academy at Jamnia- which was after the destruction of the Temple- some 35 years after the death of Jesus. It wasn’t until after the death of Jesus- that there were organized “real” Rabbis. (Note that Jesus is spoken to with a the title- “rabbi”. which means “teacher”). Really, not until the Mishnah was completed (around 200 CE/AD)- was “organized” Rabbi-dom established.

So we can’t say that “an unmarried rabbi would have been a deviation from the norm” during the time of Jesus. There was no “norm”. Of course- it was the “normal” thing for all Jewish men- in fact nearly all men- of that period to get married. Religious zealots & prophets were a common exception.