Marching bands in Europe?

Are there analogs to American school marching bands in Europe? I may be ignorant, but I haven’t heard of them.

The small town I now live in just had a half-time show exhibition. The high school bands in the area got together 8 years ago to show each other their shows, since many of them missed the others’. They now sell over 4000 tickets at $5 for this, and the football stadium is SRO. The host school’s band was greeted as if conquering heros.

There was more order and regimentation than you would think 300 high-schoolers could actually stand. There was instrument spinning, coordinated duckwalking, Trojan-style hats, capes, plumed hats, flaming baton twirling, flaming torch processionals, stunt drumming (hitting your neighbor’s drum, tossing sticks, trading instruments between the snare and bass drummers, just to prove they could all play it all), tall flags, dozens of girls in thousands of sequins, etc.

Does this kind of stuff register over there? Does it look silly or pretentious?

Looking from Britain, it all looks very strange and rather alien. Nothing comparable to it here whatsoever.

Marching band is pretty much linked to high school and college football. Sure, there are drum corps that don’t have anything to do with football, but all their members originally learned how to march in high school/college, and those programs exist because of football. No football, no marching band.

Norway has lots of school marching bands, but they only march in parades, which basically means the Constitution Day children’s parade. They may also be called out to perform when some important dignitary shows up in their town, or at the dedication of a public building or a war memorial or something. No equivalent to performing at the school football games; schools here don’t do sports programs.

Errm… well… in the interests of the strictest adherence to the credo of The Straight Dope, I feel compelled to admit that around here we do have something sort of similar… er… similarish. (Oh dear)

In an effort to dilute the shame a little, I’ll try to give you some historical background, before we come to the full horror:

Probably the true analogue of the American High School marching band, in terms of local pride, involvement etc, would be the brass bands that at one time were a feature (at least in the North of England) of so many collieries, steel works, and other similar places of mass employment. They would march with pride in local parades, though in comparison to a modern American High School band, their emphasis was more on solid musicianship than crowd-pleasing showmanship. There was intense rivalry between the bands, and national competitions were (and indeed to a lesser extent still are) hotly contested. Sadly, with the closure of so many traditional industries in the 80s, many of these bands are no more, or at least greatly reduced – though some survive, there isn’t the fierce local pride that was associated with them in their heyday. To get some idea, see if you can track down a copy of Brassed Off (which is worth seeing anyway).

So popular were these bands at their height (around the beginning of the 20th Century), that people who didn’t work at a factory that sponsored one still wanted a band of their own to play and march in. Bands were formed by villages, districts, or even just a street, and because they had no money for expensive brass instruments, they would play whatever they already had or could scrape together (remember this was a time before radio or TV, when “making your own entertainment” was the norm, and almost everyone could play an instrument to some standard). The typical “Jazz Band” (as they came to be called) was an ad hoc mixture of a few trumpets, clarinets and so on, and a good many cheaper instruments like harmonicas or guitars. Those who couldn’t afford (or couldn’t play) anything else would have (and here we come to it) kazoos.

Now, the jazz bands pretty much died out with the wars, but what survived (unfortunately) was the “Juvenile Jazz Band,” usually organised by a local church or social club, and these continue to the present day. They consist of feckless and gawky pubescent kids with a few drums, half a dozen baton-twirlers, and far too many bloody kazoos. They style themselves (more or less) after High School bands, but in a rather cheap and tatty crepe-paper-and-tinsel fashion. Compared to a real American marching band, they generally look like some kind of strange cargo-cult parody – and the noise! I assume that you’ve never had your Sunday morning disturbed by the theme to The Great Escape being played off-key by two hundred kazoos and three bass drums (each one beating a different time) – and I envy you.

Marching bands?
No.

Choirs?
Yes.

Northern Ireland has a televised “School Choir of The Year” competition, which every primary, secondary and grammar school is entitled to enter. There are heats, quarter and semi finals and a big final for each area, with the winners going on to meet the other finalists in their group. It’s quite a big deal for a school to win it. It’s in its tenth year, and invoves about 10,000 kids every year. On UTV it’s the 6th highest rated show.

Does that count?

No, not really. We do have bands that march The Garda (Police) band and some Army bands but marching bands as you describe don’t really exist here.

On Patrick’s Days all the marching bands apart from the two I mentioned above in the Dublin parade are American.

In Germany, yes - but not as a school-related activity (almost all sports, music, etc. related activity of school age kids is in non-school-affiliated associations where kids begin in the youth program and ideally later change in the adult groups).

Marching is usually an ancillary activity/group in band clubs, shooting clubs, fools’ guilds, clarion bands, carnival clubs, fire brigades, etc.

WotNot – thanks for an excellent, informative, and very entertaining post.

Nope, no bands here. Our school had a massive music program, with a symphony orchestra, 2 chamber strings, 2 woodwind thingos, a jazz orchestra and a choir (membership in these ensembles overlapped significantly, of course) but nobody marched. Or played at sports events, for that matter. Our musicians only perform at musical events, the valedictory and other important assemblies.

I suppose I should elaborate on my previous point to parallel this, given that I work for an education authority’s music service :wink:

We cover a county with a population of about 750k. Every state school can buy instrumental tuition, at a subsidised rate, and most do so. We also have a county-wide orchestra & wind band (which meet in holidays), three orchestras and various bands, brass bands, jazz groups etc. which meet weekly, and about eight weekly music schools. Through the pyramid just about every kid gets catered for, from beginners through to those from the county who are off studying at music college.

My point - no, we don’t have American-style bands, we take our music more seriously :stuck_out_tongue:

Heh. That actually sounds like a lot of fun. A bit Charles-Ives-y. I can’t imagine Tippett or Glass composing for 200 kazoos though.

(I’ve got that Music Man chorus running through my head now.)

My school had a band, rather than an orchestra, but that’s partly because lots of girls at the time were learning flute, and amateurs on wind tend to sound a little more palatable than the same on strings. So yes – nothing organised.

I don’t want to hijack here, but the OP combined with the “no sports programs” led me to this question (tell me to post it as an OP if this is too far off, please):

Do European schools typically offer orchestra/symphonic programs in school? In response to Gorilla Man’s crack on musicianship, our High School was quite well-regarded, and even had a member of my graduating class go on to play professionally with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra (eventually, via Santa Fe, San Fransisco, and Boston.

Do the programs tend more toward Orchestra as opposed to Symphony? For some reason, I have a view of more strings in a European music program.

-Cem

Aw, now, you know we have the British to “blame” for the American high school bands, right? The whole idea originally comes from the pipe and drum corps and brass bands of the British military, which was then adopted by the American military and subsequently our schools - first colleges (some through their ROTC programs), and then later, high schools.

So while there is apparently not a direct equivalent across the pond, the original idea came from there, showmanship and all.

I’ve seen the Pipes and Drums of the Royal Scots Dragoon guards, the Marching Band of the Coldstream Guards (which plays at soccer games sometimes), and many others, and the shows these bands give is incredible. Needless to say, the muscianship is equally so (no kazoos here :stuck_out_tongue: ).

It certainly seems to be the case that there’s more prominence given to strings here than in America - although this doesn’t mean the other families suffer, particularly in regions with brass band traditions.

However, most activities on an orchestral level (I’m not sure what you mean by “Orchestra as opposed to Symphony”) take place outside of school environments, even if they are often organised by the same education authority. Possibly one of the reasons for this is that high schools are often much smaller, and so cannot hope to create a whole orchestra by themselves. I don’t have figures on average school sizes in the different countries, but I get the impression that a large British high school of 1500 or so kids wouldn’t seem so big in America. And three of the high schools I teach in have under 500.

So, musical activities tend to be organised outside of school, drawing on a larger population. The pyramid structure that I described in my county is a fairly common one (albeit with endless variation!) and the “xyz county youth orchestra” is the normal senior ensemble. I know of several peers from my time in such an orchestra who’ve forged successful careers in orchestral performance.

For our non-US members, and for alot of US people that don’t have much background in US marching bands, here is the link to the main national organization that runs the marching competitions: Bands of America. That link is to the final national competition called Grand Nationals. Clicking through that site will give you an idea of how big that is (well, at least within “band-geek” circles). You can also do some google searches on “Bands of America” and “Grand Nationals” to see images of really how precise and large these bands can get. As I have traveled through and lived in Europe, I’ve never seen anything like it.

As another aside to the level of musicianship of these groups… in high school I was in a band that won a couple of the national contests. Granted, it was not professional level-type of playing, but looking back it still amazes me how well a bunch of 14 to 17 year-olds could play and work together. On the other hand, we did practice about 20 hours a week all through summer, and than at least 20 hours a week during the beginning of the school year up until the contest (which was usually in November). Man, I couldn’t image putting that much effort into anything any more… unless I’m getting paid for it…

The other big group that does stuff like this in the US is Drum Corp Int. that is not associated with any schools or organizations in particular but still does full field marching shows. Some of these Corps might be a little closer to somewhat of the European model band… at least in their inception. The older ones are spin-offs of scouting troops or local organizations, and they did start out doing parades and concerts for local audiances and to instill civic pride. They has since evolved into highly competetive and professional field shows.

I’m not 100% sure about the whole of Europe but England certainly have marching bands(although usually not as extravagant as those in the US). Many of these are military bands, although quite a few are school bands, the Christ’s Hospital marching band, for instance, who play at Lords Cricket ground each year as well as at the Lord Mayor’s Show in London. Most of these British bands will have at least one, possibly many, drum majors(a usually male leader of the band, who often acts as a baton twirler)

So, yes, there are marching bands in Europe, but they aren’t as publicised at those in the US

Bands full of zombies, playing drums and eating brains.

StG

Coreographed marching bands no, except as a “club thing” done by people who are specifically trying to copy American ones; the closest Spain has are military bands (which will sometimes do coreographed “evolutions” similar to those of marching bands) and charangas, which would be considered the second-lowest form of band (the lowest is a dude with a vuvuzela and another with a rattle). Charangas consider that any tune should be played at a volume fit to wake the dead, so they’re quite beloved of zombies.

Drum and Bugle Corps are marching bands on steroids. As Improvisor says, DCI is the collective organization in the US. There are 50 units, of which 22 are World Class units (the larger and more experienced units).

Europe also has a robust and healthy Drum and Bugle Corps circuit.
http://drumcorpseurope.org/
As in the US, Europe is about to begin their summer competitive season. This 2015 ranking list shows 27 units competing in Europe.
http://drumcorpseurope.org/ranking.php?season=2015&class=2