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Old 12-19-2005, 08:43 PM
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Stop putting advertisement flyers on my door!

I live in an apartment, but I think this rant is equally pertinent to house dwellers as well.

At least twice per week I come home at the end of the day to find an advertisement or two wedged between the door knob and the frame of my front the door. They are usually from local (non-chain) restaurants. Chinese food and pizza places are the worst offenders. So, all day long this ad basically advertises to the world that I am not home. "Thieves, please rob me!"

As if that isn't annoying enough, whenever I go out of town, I have to go through the hassle of arranging for a friend of mine to watch my door and remove this vile detritus at periodic intervals while I am away, else someone might take note of it building up at my front door and, after a couple days preparation time, break into my home and steal things.

My own apartment complex management is guilty of this, though they usually manage to shove the "recruit your friends, receive $100 credit against your rent" or some such logorrhea-in-print partially under the door.

When I receive these things, they go straight into the garbage. If I happen to notice the name of the business establishment that chose to advertise in such an inconsiderate manner it in my rush to throw the flyer, I do not patronize it in the future.
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Old 12-20-2005, 01:13 AM
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I live in an apartment, but I think this rant is equally pertinent to house dwellers as well.

At least twice per week I come home at the end of the day to find an advertisement or two wedged between the door knob and the frame of my front the door. They are usually from local (non-chain) restaurants. Chinese food and pizza places are the worst offenders. So, all day long this ad basically advertises to the world that I am not home. "Thieves, please rob me!"

As if that isn't annoying enough, whenever I go out of town, I have to go through the hassle of arranging for a friend of mine to watch my door and remove this vile detritus at periodic intervals while I am away, else someone might take note of it building up at my front door and, after a couple days preparation time, break into my home and steal things.

My own apartment complex management is guilty of this, though they usually manage to shove the "recruit your friends, receive $100 credit against your rent" or some such logorrhea-in-print partially under the door.

When I receive these things, they go straight into the garbage. If I happen to notice the name of the business establishment that chose to advertise in such an inconsiderate manner it in my rush to throw the flyer, I do not patronize it in the future.
I get these stupid things too, hanging from my doorknob about as often, and hate them for the same reasons.

The weird part is that they're always from the same two competing pizza places. I usually just toss them in the garbage or put them on my neighbors doorhandle, but now that I think about how often they leave them I'm thinking I should start saving them. When I get a couple of handfulls, I'll leave a bunch of their competitors coupons hanging from their door.
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Old 12-20-2005, 02:05 AM
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Ugh, I hate those wretched fliers. I not only get the local take-out places, but realtor fliers telling me that they'd pay me cash for my place, if only I'd give them one little phone call. Although my personal favorites would have to be the landscaping fliers written by people who have almost no grip on English. News flash: if you can't spell 'lawn', you're not getting on my property with anything sharp.
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Old 12-20-2005, 02:47 AM
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I used to get them, too - except I'm actually home. I don't know if they wait until I'm in the shower or what, but when I step out to get the mail, or when my husband returns home from work, we find mysterious pizza flyers hanging on the doorknob or jammed into the screen door.
Also, I usually order from them at least once, but we like to try new things. After doing that, I never get a flyer from them again. I'm sure this isn't the case everywhere, but it they seem pretty good about it here, so far (it's been two years). We haven't gotten any flyers in months, except from Jehovah's Witnesses... but I don't think I'll let them in . I'll deal with the flyers on that one, thanks.
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Old 12-20-2005, 03:32 AM
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At least twice per week I come home at the end of the day to find an advertisement or two wedged between the door knob and the frame of my front the door. They are usually from local (non-chain) restaurants. Chinese food and pizza places are the worst offenders. So, all day long this ad basically advertises to the world that I am not home. "Thieves, please rob me!"
This seems to indicate that the apartment management is allowing random people to roam about the building and stick flyers on doors. Or do whatever else.

I guess I'd be more concerned about that. Doesn't your building have security locks that keep strangers from wandering the halls? Most apartment buildings have that, nowdays.


I do this with political campaign literature, and getting into apartment buildings is a big problem. We actually have a list of party members who live in each building, so they can let our workers into the building to distribute the literature. And we always try to stick it under the door, into their apartment. Much more effective!
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Old 12-20-2005, 05:39 AM
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I never quite understand why spam is an issue, one click and it is gone but junk mail drives me up the flipping wall!

Our recycling collection has recently gone to once a fortnight, this has made the me more aware of the volume of junk mail we recieve. We easily fill 2 or 3 supermarket bags a fortnight. That is a shitload of trees that died and nobody ever read the shit they went on to peddle.

Spam I can live with...actual junk mail? STOP NOW!
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Old 12-20-2005, 05:54 AM
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Spam I can live with...actual junk mail? STOP NOW!
Do you have a "No junk mail" sticker on your letterbox, calm kiwi?
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Old 12-20-2005, 06:41 AM
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Do you have a "No junk mail" sticker on your letterbox, calm kiwi?

I must confess my son is a deliverer of the evil! So I can't plant a sticker (I still hate them though!).
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Old 12-20-2005, 06:55 AM
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I must confess my son is a deliverer of the evil! So I can't plant a sticker (I still hate them though!).
Ahhh! I used to deliver 'em myself, so I understand. I hear they're slowly bringing in bylaws to control junk mail, though. Wait in hope, I guess.

Always way worse at Christmas. *sigh*
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:01 AM
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Ahhh! I used to deliver 'em myself, so I understand. I hear they're slowly bringing in bylaws to control junk mail, though. Wait in hope, I guess.

Always way worse at Christmas. *sigh*
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YES! Bugger all way for a 14 yr old to earn holiday money though, gotta feed the beast!

I bloody hate the warehouse junk now!
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:18 AM
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Do you have a "No junk mail" sticker on your letterbox, calm kiwi?
Do those things actually work in your neck of the woods? Here in Brooklyn, almost every house on my block has them (some of them have MULTIPLE "no flyers" signs) and they are completely ignored.

I've encountered menu planters before when leaving/arriving at my house, and the culprits ALWAYS go running away rather than face me.
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:39 AM
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Do those things actually work in your neck of the woods? Here in Brooklyn, almost every house on my block has them (some of them have MULTIPLE "no flyers" signs) and they are completely ignored.
Yes, they work in degrees and BY LAW. "No junk mail" means they can't plonk advertising material in your letter box. "No circulars" means no junk mail and no 'regular' advertising glurge
but you still get council stuff and community stuff.

Unfortunately no matter what it says on your letter box you get whatever fluff the council wants to send.
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:03 AM
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If you hate flyers, you'll absolutely loathe Pennysavers.
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:05 AM
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Anything I find stuck on my property with a phone number on it gets a prompt phone call from me. "Hello? Pizza Hell? Just wanted to thank you for littering on my property, and tell you that I will starve to death before I wil order anything from you. Do you happen to have the number for Papa Johns?"
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Old 12-20-2005, 06:52 PM
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Yes, they work in degrees and BY LAW. "No junk mail" means they can't plonk advertising material in your letter box. "No circulars" means no junk mail and no 'regular' advertising glurge
but you still get council stuff and community stuff.
This is ridiculous. Such stickers would be absolutely pointless.

Under US law, the postman must deliver every single piece of mail -- he can be fired if he doesn't. So he'd have to ignore the sticker.

And nobody except the postman can legally put anything in or on your mailbox. Someone already breaking the law isn't likely to pay any attention to your sticker.

And postal workers do enforce that; they see deliveries by anyone else as unfair competition. I've had newby campaign workers who put flyers in mailboxes, and had a call to the campaign that same day from the Post Office, telling us we had until sundown to go back and remove them, or we would get a fine plus be charged full first-class mail rate on each piece left in a mailbox. And they meant it.


But this is off-topic. The OP wasn't talking about mailed flyers, but ones dropped at his door.
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:21 PM
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I've seen a new twist on this: postcard-sized flyers in a ziplock bag along with a couple of pebbles. The flyer-folk cruise down the street and toss them into driveways. It's littering as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:01 AM
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This seems to indicate that the apartment management is allowing random people to roam about the building and stick flyers on doors. Or do whatever else.

I guess I'd be more concerned about that. Doesn't your building have security locks that keep strangers from wandering the halls? Most apartment buildings have that, nowdays.
I wish there was a lock on the main door. But, I'm in a garden style apartment (4 floors, 2-4 units per floor) so I guess management doesn't think it is worthwhile. Plus, as I said, they are part of the problem with their spammy newsletter every month at my doorstep.
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Old 12-21-2005, 01:54 PM
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Although my personal favorites would have to be the landscaping fliers written by people who have almost no grip on English. News flash: if you can't spell 'lawn', you're not getting on my property with anything sharp.
How about if it says, "Lawn's Mowed. Yard Service's of all type's.
Call Jim at 555-1234" ?
Makes me want to call Jim and explain the concept of apostrophes.
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:08 PM
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Under US law, the postman must deliver every single piece of mail -- he can be fired if he doesn't. So he'd have to ignore the sticker.
Does that only go for addressed mail? I have always been able to stop flyers and unaddressed mail from coming to me.

At my last house I put a "No unsolicited mail" sticker on my mailbox, and kept getting flyers (it's locked, so I know they came from the mailperson and not from a random flyer-deliverer). So I called up the Canada Post toll-free number to register a complaint. Within half an hour (!!) I got a phone call from the manager of the postal route my house is on, who apologised profusely and gave me his direct number to call if it ever happened again. It never did.
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:09 PM
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If they would stick to just littering my front door with ads, I'd be okay with it. Well the time a certain tree company festooned my door and railing with a dozen advertisements wasn't cool. A quick call and I haven't heard from them since.

However, a few have decided entering the breezeway and putting flyers on my table or on my back door is okay. To me, the breezeway is almost the same as "inside" the house. You do not enter unless you're actually coming into the house.
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:11 PM
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This is ridiculous. Such stickers would be absolutely pointless.

Under US law, the postman must deliver every single piece of mail -- he can be fired if he doesn't. So he'd have to ignore the sticker.
I'd just like to point out that it is unlikely that US law applies to New Zealand.
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:22 PM
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At least twice per week I come home at the end of the day to find an advertisement or two wedged between the door knob and the frame of my front the door. They are usually from local (non-chain) restaurants. Chinese food and pizza places are the worst offenders. So, all day long this ad basically advertises to the world that I am not home. "Thieves, please rob me!"
Huh?

I mean, i also get annoyed at these flyers, but the presence of one in a door is NOT necessarily an indication that no-one is home.

For example, the other day my wife and i were at home working all day. I finally left the house at about 5pm, to find a flyer in my door handle. Presumably that flyer had been there most of the day, and the house was definitely not empty.

Unless you think that anyone who happens to be home will automatically run out to grab the flyer as soon as it's delivered, the presence of those flyers says nothing one way or the other about whether someone is at home or not.
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Old 12-21-2005, 04:27 PM
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Does that only go for addressed mail? I have always been able to stop flyers and unaddressed mail from coming to me.

At my last house I put a "No unsolicited mail" sticker on my mailbox,
I don't know what you mean by "unaddressed mail". If it doesn't have an address, how does it get to your house?

Under US Postal Regulations, they must attempt to deliver every validly mailed piece of mail. So if the mailer paid the postage, and put an address on it, the postman must deliver it.

An address like "Occupant" or "Postal Customer in Zip Code 55406" are valid delivery addresses, so the postman has to deliver one piece to every postal customer. You putting a note on the mailbox has no effect on the postmans job requirements.


I can't see how a "No unsolicited mail" sticker would mean anything to a postman. How is he supposed to know if you solicited each piece of mail? Is he supposed to take the time to look at every piece of mail and guess whether it's one that you asked to get? Seems like that would take a whole lot of time!
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Old 12-21-2005, 09:21 PM
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I don't know what you mean by "unaddressed mail". If it doesn't have an address, how does it get to your house?

Under US Postal Regulations, they must attempt to deliver every validly mailed piece of mail. So if the mailer paid the postage, and put an address on it, the postman must deliver it.

An address like "Occupant" or "Postal Customer in Zip Code 55406" are valid delivery addresses, so the postman has to deliver one piece to every postal customer. You putting a note on the mailbox has no effect on the postmans job requirements.


I can't see how a "No unsolicited mail" sticker would mean anything to a postman. How is he supposed to know if you solicited each piece of mail? Is he supposed to take the time to look at every piece of mail and guess whether it's one that you asked to get? Seems like that would take a whole lot of time!
This may surprise you, but not every country's postal service operates in the same way as the United States Postal Service.

In some countries—including Australia (at least, when i lived there) and Canada (if cowgirl's post is any indication)—you can, in fact, request not to receive mail that is not addressed to a particular individual. So, mail simply addressed to "Occupant," or those awful store flyers that the US postal service delivers with such annoying regularity, would not get delivered.

Of course, some junk mail still gets through this system, because if the letter has your name on it then it will get delivered. But it reduces the amount of crap quite considerably.
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Old 12-21-2005, 09:52 PM
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Huh?

I mean, i also get annoyed at these flyers, but the presence of one in a door is NOT necessarily an indication that no-one is home.

For example, the other day my wife and i were at home working all day. I finally left the house at about 5pm, to find a flyer in my door handle. Presumably that flyer had been there most of the day, and the house was definitely not empty.

Unless you think that anyone who happens to be home will automatically run out to grab the flyer as soon as it's delivered, the presence of those flyers says nothing one way or the other about whether someone is at home or not.
I'm talking primarily about things that might be on the door 24, 48 even 72 hours after being placed there. By that time, anyone living in my apartment building would likely notice I wasn't home (or else had died in my apartment), as would any of their frequently visiting friends, drug suppliers, etc. I'd just prefer that not everyone knew I was away when I was away. Why ask for trouble?

And this evening when I got home:
1) A car was (still is) parked in my reserved parking spot. If I was meaner I could call and they'd be towed. It pissed me off, because I had a lot of stuff to carry in and had to park aways away on top of some slippery ice.

2) I stepped in dog shit. I clean up after my dog, why can't everyone else?

No need to respond, I don't want to hijack my own thread!
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:53 AM
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This may surprise you, but not every country's postal service operates in the same way as the United States Postal Service.
I'm aware of that.

That's why I've been careful to specify that I'm talking about US Postal Service in my answers.
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Old 12-22-2005, 04:02 AM
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Only a minimum of junk mail is delivered by NZ Post here in New Zealand. The vast majority are commercial flyers, free mags, local newspapers chock full of ads, and city council newsletters and notices, not delivered through the post. So, the "No junk mail stickers" work here, to an extent. I certainly would not deliver supermarket ads into a box with that notice on it.

But, all this is OT, and not only geographically. The OP was talking about an apartment door, no? We usually only get scuzzy real estate agents leaving their business cards in the doorway. That's bad enough.
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:50 AM
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I don't know what you mean by "unaddressed mail". If it doesn't have an address, how does it get to your house?
I don't know exactly. It must be "bulk mail" where advertisers pay Canada Post something less than first-class rates to drop flyers in everybody's mailboxes. (Since I didn't ask for it, and my name is not on it, it is "unaddressed" or "unsolicited.") It really is quite a large volume of mail, I noticed right away when they started delivering it and it made a big difference when they stopped.

Going by the nature (helpful) and timing (prompt) of the response to my objection to it, I would guess that it is entirely within my rights to not recieve it if I don't want it. I had assumed it worked like this everywhere, but I guess not.

Yay Canada!
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:34 AM
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Could I add the following to this pitting please;

- The company that pinned their business card to my exterior door's varnished wooden frame, like it was their personal notice board (and every other door in the street). I was sure to call their number after that, but not seeking any business.

- The guy who every Sunday wedges my letter box open with his useless local, free newspaper, because he's too idle to push it all the way through. End result is all the heat in my hallway escapes out the letter box. Some day I'm going to catch him doing it and stick his unwanted paper where it'll air him out.
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