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Old 03-09-2006, 01:53 PM
Rigamarole Rigamarole is online now
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What IS this bizarre Nightmare-esque experience I had?

This has happened to me about half a dozen times. Today/last night was the most recent, and it is the first time I have really become conciously aware of it (at least the first time I've given it much thought). I will try to describe the experience as best I can.

As I was sleeping, I woke up to see my familiar surroundings but with an image of what I perceived as a person's body from the neck down in front of me.

My body was completely paralyzed. I felt a feeling of sheer terror and panic. I felt an overwhelming desire to move, thrash about, scream, but could do nothing. In my head, I was screaming "No! No! Leave me alone!" (or something similar), and could feel my vocal chords vibrate, but nothing but a muffled hum was coming out. I suspect my lips and mouth simply weren't moving so I couldn't produce the sounds.

I definitley felt "awake", and my surroundings appeared completely real. After a few seconds, I fell back into sleep, and then woke up "normally". I realized when I woke up that what I had perceived as a person's body was actually the arm of the couch next to my bed.

The first time this happened the image that appeared was a young girl. There couldn't have actually been a girl, since I have never lived in a house with a young girl. But it was dark enough my mind could have constructed the image from the various shadows etc. The other times, the image was a little more abstract and I have trouble recalling them all. But the key points that consistently occur are:

1. I wake up and see my familiar surroundings, with some sort of foreign image added in.
2. A completely enveloping feeling of terror.
3. A total physical paralysis.
4. An incredibly strong urge to move, get away, or scream, that cannot be expressed due to aforementioned paralysis.
5. The episodes seem to last anywhere from about 2-10 seconds, then I fall back asleep. When I wake up again, I feel "normal".

Also, 2 other tidbits that may or may not have relevance:

- I had a job interview today and I was feeling a fair amount of anxiety last night.
- After I woke up normally, it was still earlier than I needed to wake up so I fell back asleep, and had one of the most intense sexual fantasy dreams I've ever had.

Any idea what the hell this is?
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Old 03-09-2006, 01:56 PM
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The Master speaks on sleep paralysis.
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Old 03-09-2006, 01:59 PM
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I get it too, and it's way less scary (IMO) once you realize it's common. It happens to me most when I am extremely physically tired and yet not sleepy, like when I've had plenty of sleep but been working hard all day long.
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Old 03-09-2006, 02:06 PM
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You might want to move that couch.
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Old 03-09-2006, 02:09 PM
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The Master speaks on sleep paralysis.
Hmm, interesting. Somehow reading that doesn't quite satisfy me. I guess I'll have to do a little more extensive research, but thank you for helping me give it a name and realizing I'm not the only one it happens to.

One thing that came to mind as I started thinking about it was ancient tales of "succubi" visiting people at night. Could this phenomenon have been what they were reporting that led to those tales?
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Old 03-09-2006, 02:13 PM
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Any idea what the hell this is?


Yes. Sleep paralysis. This question is asked on a regular basis.

Roughly when you dream, your body is paralyzed (so that you won't "act" your dreams, walk around, etc..). Normally this paralysis dissapear *before* you wake up. But for some people, sometimes it doesn't work properly and they wake up while still paralyzed and still dreaming.

For some reasons the hallucinations (when people experience them, it's not always the case) seem to be always frightening and essentially always include seeing a monster, person, devil, ET, whatever... When there's no hallucinations many people have the "feeling" of a frightening presence. Some also think they have a hard time breathing or that something is on their chest (apparently because they're still breathing in "automatic mode" like you do when you sleep). Similarily, people apparently often hear someone breathing right behind them (they're probably hearing their own breath).


I remember someone mentionning *once* that this problem is sometimes associated with a medical condition (epilepsy, if I'm not mistaken) but normally, apart from being frightening, it's nothing to worry about, nor physically nor mentally. You just get a problem with your sleep cycle. Note that you're lucky : some people experience this on a regular basis.


Sleep paralysis is probably the basis of many "supernatural" experiences (seeing ghost, ET abductions, etc....).
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Old 03-09-2006, 02:22 PM
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Hmm, interesting. Somehow reading that doesn't quite satisfy me. I guess I'll have to do a little more extensive research, but thank you for helping me give it a name and realizing I'm not the only one it happens to.


Make a search on this board. You should be able to find a number of threads on this topic, generally started by someone who experienced it for the first time like you, and assumed they were the only one to whom it happened (*).

There's also a whole site dedicaced to sleep paralysis that you should find easily with google.



(*) As an aside, it's surprising how often a post mentionning some poster's very unusual experience/condition/quirck/whatever is followed by a number of "me too". Our issues or blessings are very rarely unique.
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Old 03-09-2006, 02:27 PM
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I've had it a few times. Usually it's me conscious but my body still asleep. Occasionally it's been some-part-of-my-brain conscious and aware, but some other part of my brain still dreaming. It's sleep paralysis.
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Old 03-09-2006, 02:37 PM
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Make a search on this board. You should be able to find a number of threads on this topic, generally started by someone who experienced it for the first time like you, and assumed they were the only one to whom it happened (*).

There's also a whole site dedicaced to sleep paralysis that you should find easily with google.



(*) As an aside, it's surprising how often a post mentionning some poster's very unusual experience/condition/quirck/whatever is followed by a number of "me too". Our issues or blessings are very rarely unique.

Haha, well in my world it is new, strange, and terrifying. Kind of like the way everything is in the world of a child.

I had a hunch I wasn't the only one, but it was so exciting to me I couldn't resist the urge to share the experience. Thank you for answering me anyway. Besides, I wouldn't have known what to search for. Now of course "sleep paralysis" seems like a perfectly logical term for it, but at the time it was so unusual to me that that sort of logical thinking just wouldn't have occurred.
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Old 03-09-2006, 02:57 PM
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I have had it my whole life as well. It is probably the most terrifying sensation that I know of. Unfortunately, I used to have sleep apnea as well (I had surgery). With sleep apnea, you can sometimes start breathing again if you wake and a you just move to a different position.

Combine the two and you wake up not breathing AND you cannot move at all to get out of it. That means that you have to lay there and suffocate enough so that your bodies anti-suffocation reflexes kick in and fling you into full panic mode. I used to lay wake up on my back not breathing and paralyzed and then be standing on my feat in full panic gasping for breath a minute later.

It happened when I was very fit and very young as well. It is just a true design flaw in a few systems and a strong argument against "intelligent design".
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Old 03-09-2006, 03:25 PM
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Wikipedia has a decent article on it, IIRC. Way too tired & lazy to link to it.

Shag's post is kinda scary. Thought it was bad enough to have the visions, etc., an dwake up all the time. But to not to be able to breathe? I'm afraid of suffocation as it is.
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Old 03-09-2006, 03:27 PM
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It's common enough (I've had it a couple of times) to have a name. A Google turned up Old Hag Syndrome. I remembered something about people thinking it was a witch (or hag, I guess) setting on their chest.

The first time it happened to me, I was POSITIVE that there was and old woman very close next to me in bed, so close that the covers were tight enough I couldn't move. I was scared as hell. And I can remember it vividly, years later, not like a fleeting dream. It seemed very real, and I felt like I was very awake.

It happened not more than a couple of weeks ago when I went to sleep in a recliner. I woke up and flat couldn't move, but no Old Hag this time..
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:25 PM
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Are you taking any anti-depressant drugs? I'm taking an antianxiety drug called "Buspirone" and the doc said that the drug woud cause what he called "vivid dreams"
He was right and I do have them often. But I understand what's happening to me and deal with the dreams.
I also have a friend who has severe back pain and takes a drug called Oxycodone or something like that. He has regular panic attacks, I think because of his medication. They don't sound like much fun at all.
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:27 PM
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My solution to something that seems like sleep paralysis (no hallucinations here, mind you) is to rock my head from side to side. Gets me conscious again in three or four seconds.
YMMV.
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:47 PM
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I also have a friend who has severe back pain and takes a drug called Oxycodone or something like that. He has regular panic attacks, I think because of his medication. They don't sound like much fun at all.
That's interesting, I've never heard of that but I got some Oxycodone prescribed when I got my wisdom teeth removed and have been taking it occasionally lately. (the pain from the operation has long since passed but that stuff is some fun drugs)
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:48 PM
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I get it too, and it's way less scary (IMO) once you realize it's common. It happens to me most when I am extremely physically tired and yet not sleepy
First time it happened to me, maybe 15 years ago, I was terrified and utterly disoriented. Really freaked me out.

Now it happens about every other year--always in the middle of the night, always when I'm sleeping on my back--and it's not scary anymore because it's old hat.

(Which is weird, because the salient feature for me is that I usually see a menacing, motionless figure a the foot of the bed watching me when I have that paralysis. But I actually groggily think to myself each time:

"Can't move my arms, legs or neck ? Check. Menacing Dude is at the foot of the bed? Check. Hmph. Must be that sleep paralysis again... " ***Snore***)
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:49 PM
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It's freaky as hell the first couple of times. You're awake (for the most part), you can't move a muscle, you feel like you're suffocating, and you see, feel, and hear strange things that seem 100% real. The first couple of times it happened to me I was convinced I was going insane or I had a brain tumor.

Now that the experience has become routine and I've read some of the literature, it's a mild annoyance at worst. If it happens again, the best tip I can offer is don't fight it -- the more you try to force yourself to move, the more panicked you become and the more likely the episode will turn into a waking nightmare. If you relax and ride through it, it's more likely you'll drift back to sleep after a few seconds without incident.

I've read that some people can rouse themselves from this state by shifting their eyes side-to-side (apparently you're eyes are the only body part you can consciously control during sleep paralysis). It's never worked for me.
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:56 PM
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I used to have episodes of sleep paralysis on a regular basis. I also have sleep apnea, and as Shagnasty says waking up to paralysis and sufforcation can be a terrifying experience.

When I got a CPAP machine for my cleep apnea, the sleep paralysis stopped as well. I suspect in my case what was happening is that the sleep apnea was waking me up just enough to be aware of what was happening, but not enough to be able to move.
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:59 PM
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This happens to me, too, although it's usually when I nap during the day, not when I sleep at night. It is truly a terrifying experience. It's hard to tell afterwards if you were really awake and unable to move, or if you just dreamed it.
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Old 03-09-2006, 05:08 PM
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I've had that twice in my life. I can clearly remember the last time it happened- I dreamt that there was someone sitting on the bed right next to me, looking down at me... with a huge, evil grin. *shudder* I still get chills thinking about it.

I don't remember the paralysis, though- I clearly levitated straight up about four feet, so nope, no paralysis.
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Old 03-09-2006, 05:09 PM
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Years ago I was in asleep and "woke" to see someone standing over me. I vaguely had the feeling that he was going to do me harm. I could not move.

Eventually I did wake up - but here is the part that made it more scary: The hall light was on. I never leave lights on, I like to sleep in total darkness. I get up to turn it off AND the living room light was on. I never leave that on. I go to turn that off AND the front door is unlocked. I never leave (left) that door unlocked. It was freaky.

(I actually leave my front door unlocked where I live now.)
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Old 03-09-2006, 05:12 PM
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I think age has something to do with this. When I was a young soldier I got terrible sleep paralysis where I would see a 7-foot sihouette of a guy in a cloak and hood standing at the foot of my bed laughing at me. Once a scary little animal came crawling out of the toilet snapping it's teeth at me. Another time it was a friend of mine waving his hand above my face and laughing at me for being paralyzed.

Until I was 30 years old I thought I was seeing demons in the astral plane.
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Old 03-09-2006, 05:12 PM
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I don't get any menacing dudes, surprisingly. I get visions, and most of the time I can't remember what they are. Simple things become frightening. The colors are all whacked-out and colors appear for which I don't have a name for.

But I'm also at the point where I can mentally shake myself out of it and go back to sleep.
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Old 03-09-2006, 05:12 PM
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Sounds like it has some features of a hypnopompic hallucination.

Another website:http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P2.html

Most people experience mild hypnagogic hallucinations, usually experienced as a sensation of falling from a great height which makes you kick out, just before you fall asleep. This is on the same lines, just more severe and happening when you're waking up, not when you're falling asleep.

It's benign, don't worry about it.
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Old 03-09-2006, 05:14 PM
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I've had that twice in my life. I can clearly remember the last time it happened- I dreamt that there was someone sitting on the bed right next to me, looking down at me... with a huge, evil grin. *shudder* I still get chills thinking about it.

I don't remember the paralysis, though- I clearly levitated straight up about four feet, so nope, no paralysis.
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Old 03-09-2006, 05:57 PM
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Oh holy fucking fuck!! I can't believe that people are openly talking about this! That I finally have a rational explanation for the two "Ghosts" I have seen in my life! Wow, whatever else is said on this thread, one thing is for sure... It calms a man to know he is not alone. I too was "Visited", I woke to see a woman standing over the bed, visible from the neck down, not moving. I buried my self under the covers like a child and stayed there till morning. I never spoke of it to anyone. This happened about six months ago. And once, when I was about six, a similar thing happened, I woke to see afigure beside the bed... He looked like, let me see... Remember in the Xfiles, when Mulder found those bodies in a burnt out train carriage buried in the desert, and he notice that they had vacination scars, which meant they were human? Remember those guys? My visitor looked like that. In later years, watching that episode, I nearly shite in my pants. Wow, I'm sorry for the discomfort that it caused you, Rigmarole, but I am so glad that I have read this thread.

As a slight hijack, what is it called when you dream that you are falling, and just as you hit the ground, you violently waken, sometimes jerking your body so hard that you "levetate" off the bed? You guys get that one too, right?
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:02 PM
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I've had it more times than I can remember... but usually only when I nap during the daytime and when it's light out.

I'm quite lucid most of the times, and usually there's no hallucinating. I can actually recall what's going on around me. But I can't move and my eyes are heavy ... I'm claustrophobic to a point as well, so it becomes a very alarming experience.

Interestingly, I can wiggle my toes in this state. I used this several times to signal to my SO to wake me up, and she's done it maybe twice. I felt absolutely terrible when she woke me, though - as if I hadn't slept in days. I say thanks and go right back to sleep.
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:03 PM
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So strange that this seems always to be accompanied by frightening hallucinations--usually of a menacing figure--or at least the distinct feeling of a menacing presence.

Any theories as to why this should be?

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Old 03-09-2006, 06:24 PM
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I sometimes have sleep paralysis. It's odd--it will go on for virtually every night for weeks, then suddenly stop and not happen again for six months or more.

I've never seen ghostly figures, though. I'll "wake" to the same room I went to sleep in, but it will bathed in a bright, even light, and all the details are gone leaving only the major items that I suppose my brain associates with whatever room I'm in. There'll also be a ringing tone, like you sometimes get in your ears when it's absolutely silent. That's very unusual for me, as my dreams never have any sound.

To end it, I'll start to shake. I won't move at all in the dream, but in real life, I do shake quite violently (I'm told). After a few seconds of shaking, the dream-room fades into the real one and I'm awake.
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:39 PM
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This site may be helpful.

Night Terror Resource Center
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Old 03-09-2006, 07:00 PM
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Do any of you people have large clown dolls or puppets in your rooms? Cuz, you know, they move about.
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Old 03-09-2006, 07:03 PM
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I get sleep paralysis almost every morning. I usually wake up through it; from sleeping, through a period of paralysis, to finally jerking myself awake. This sucks; I'm not one of those people who wake up joyfully.
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Old 03-09-2006, 07:40 PM
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I used to get sleep paralysis all the time, but it's been years since the last episode. It seems to be related to the state of my bank account - now that I've been continuously employed for several years and have built up some savings, I never get sleep paralysis. But when I was just scraping by, it happened every day.

I wouldn't get visual hallucinations usually, but there was always a strong feeling that there was somebody behind my back, where I couldn't see him, pressing against me. If I tried to ignore it, it would get stronger, so that sometimes it would feel like I was being punched and kicked in the back.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:21 PM
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Haha, well in my world it is new, strange, and terrifying. Kind of like the way everything is in the world of a child.
)

I can understand that. Mind you, I never experienced sleep paralysis, but was mightily intrigued when I first heard about it. And I just know that if I had experienced it without knowing what it was, I would have made an appointment with a psychiatrist, gotten some holy water from the local church, bought a shotgun and moved to the nearest hotel or something like that.

That's why I always answer to OPs about sleep paralysis. I can easily imagine how frightening it must be, so I don't want to let people wondering about it.
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Old 03-09-2006, 10:07 PM
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I suffered from sleep paralysis for over half my life before anyone could tell me what was happening to me. No psychologists, psychiatrists and even teachers could tell me what was going on. Two said night terrors. Most just said I was having bad nightmares and casually shrugged off my concerns.

Typically when the SP happens to me I find I'm on my back. If it hits me and I can be lucid enough when I can wake myself out of it, I try to turn on my side when I fall back asleep as it seems less common if I wake into it that way. I have to wake myself by moving my legs or arms or crying out until I can make an audible sound. If I can't fully wake up and I fall back into it, I get the worst full body tingling sensations. Sometimes I've had an SP episode happen three times in one night.

I've experienced dogs biting my hands, clowns, traditional visions of death personified, things floating above me (quite often), whispering into my ears and childrens' choirs behind my head.

I believe, and as many have suggested, a number of people's "memories" of alien abduction have stemmed from SP, typically the experiences where people wake to find aliens crowded around their bed and the person can't move or cry out for help.
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Old 03-09-2006, 10:15 PM
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- After I woke up normally, it was still earlier than I needed to wake up so I fell back asleep, and had one of the most intense sexual fantasy dreams I've ever had.
Sounds more like an incubus to me

Which, interestingly, was one of the things sleep paralysis was traditionally blamed on. Does anyone know if sexual dreams following this sort of thing is common (which might more clearly explain the connection)?
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Old 03-09-2006, 10:54 PM
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It's known in Cantonese as "being squished by ghosts". Sounds scary, I know, but not quite as scary as that picture in the Old Hag syndrome link above.

I've suffered two, maybe three episodes of sleep paralysis, all when I was on a rather high dose of clenbuterol and without having supplemented for the depletion of taurine or potassium. I had all the classic symptoms, but without the extra characters, i.e., there was just me and panic and the paralysis. Couldn't breathe either. First time scared the living shit out of me. I ended up staying up all night on a huge pot of java, which probably was't a good idea in addition to the clen. Second and third time it happened (a couple months later) I simply gave up and fell back to sleep. Very zen of me, I think.
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Old 03-10-2006, 02:45 AM
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Count me in the group. I used to experience sleep paralysis frequently in my twenties (i'm in my early thirties now) It feels like I'm halfway between sleep and awakeness--I'm awake, but can't move and feel like I can't breathe. I have to force myself to breathe in and out. It feels like it lasts forever.

Also I used to experience auditory hallucinations during it-- incredibly loud, horrible screaming. Not by me, but by something else. In my religious days I thought it was demons. Those hallucinations, weirdly enough, went away when I started wearing earplugs to bed.

I hardly have the sleep paralysis experiences anymore, though I had one the other night. I woke up and thought, "Damn. Can't move, can't breathe. Force breath in and out in and out...Oh well, it'll pass" Next thing I knew it was morning and I was alive. Whew!
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Old 03-10-2006, 02:56 AM
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I always figured it was just the Yeagermeister...
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Old 03-10-2006, 04:50 AM
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As a slight hijack, what is it called when you dream that you are falling, and just as you hit the ground, you violently waken, sometimes jerking your body so hard that you "levetate" off the bed?
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Most people experience mild hypnagogic hallucinations, usually experienced as a sensation of falling from a great height which makes you kick out, just before you fall asleep.
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Old 03-10-2006, 04:56 AM
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Sleep paralysis is probably the basis of many "supernatural" experiences (seeing ghost, ET abductions, etc....).
I have read about this condition before on these boards but for some reason never made the link between this condition and reported ghost sightings. I guess it accounts for why "psychics" on T.V. often describe similar situations when in the bedroom of the supposedly haunted house, the insight tends to be along the lines of: "When i'm in this bedroom I get an image of a figure stood at the bottom of the bed watching you sleep, but you can't move", which usually causes the person living in the house to scream out "Oh my Og, that's right, how did you know that!?".
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Old 03-10-2006, 06:22 AM
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I used to experience sleep paralysis frequently. It's been at least 5 years since I had an episode, though. It was always most common when I napped during the day, rather than when I slept at night. In my case, I don't have the feeling of a presence in the room, though -- just the paralysis and fright, plus a feeling of pressure on my chest and arms, as if something invisable was pushing down on me. Once I read up about the condition and discovered that many people experience it I did find it less frightening overall. By that I mean that it is still scary as hell when it's happening (the fright being part of the experience), but once it's over I calm down right away. The first time it happened (I was in my early teens) I was freaked out for hours afterwards.

My mom also has sleep paralysis sometimes, although she does have the feeling of a presence with hers. My son also gets it sometimes (don't remember if he feels a presence or not) -- my dad, husband and daughter have never experienced it.

I get the falling thing, too, much more frequently than sleep paralysis.
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Old 03-10-2006, 06:48 AM
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I've had it more times than I can remember... but usually only when I nap during the daytime and when it's light out.
See post #19. Anyone else have this experience? I can only remember a few times having this during night-time sleep. It's almost always during a day-time nap. The first time it happened I was in college. You can imagine what I thought was causing it.
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Old 03-10-2006, 07:11 AM
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I've had this a few times, and it scares the hell out of me. I woke up once to "see" a man's arm and hand, as if someone were lying beside me with his arm thrown over me; I live alone and sleep alone--there should be nothing beside me in bed but a cat or two!

Other times, it's like there's this chittering little monster poking at my back.

Less scary and usually innocuous, I often have these "bright" night visions. I'll find my eyes open in the night and staring at some brightly lit object in the darkness. It can be something as simple as a blanket thrown over a chair (when there is in fact no blanket on the chair) in blazing color, or the bedroom door open and the light on in the hall, or the curtains open and a light pouring in through the window (when they are actually shut and no lights are on); a few times, there was a light coming in through a window at the foot of the bed... when there is no window at the foot of the bed.

Sometimes, they're more elaborate, like a black cat with glowing orange eyes (this was before I had cats in the house) or a face; once it was a flaming white fedora flying across the room!

I blink or start up in alarm, and the image is gone.

They seem to come and go over months, so I have a eye mask to sleep in when it looks like the latest round is beginning.
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Old 03-10-2006, 07:26 AM
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[SP] is just a true design flaw in a few systems and a strong argument against "intelligent design".
I didn't get this.
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Old 03-10-2006, 07:36 AM
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I didn't get this.
I am reticent to speak on Shagnasty's behalf but I believe he meant that if we were created by some higher power (God) such design flaws wouldn't exist, these design flaws are better explained by natural evolution where anything can and will happen. I'm sure he or someone else will correct me if I got it wrong.
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Old 03-10-2006, 07:39 AM
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I am reticent to speak on Shagnasty's behalf but I believe he meant that if we were created by some higher power (God) such design flaws wouldn't exist, these design flaws are better explained by natural evolution where anything can and will happen. I'm sure he or someone else will correct me if I got it wrong.
Now I get this. Thank you. I misunderstood the "intelligent design" expression (being non native english speaking).
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Old 03-10-2006, 08:05 AM
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I also have a friend who has severe back pain and takes a drug called Oxycodone or something like that. He has regular panic attacks, I think because of his medication. They don't sound like much fun at all.
I've had these "sleep paralysis" things.

Also, after my knee surgery I was on a big dose of oxycodone, and had the "vivid dreams" they speak of.

They are distinctly different things. My sleep paralysis episodes are like the other's described here (a presence in the room, suffocation, but still in my surroundings). The "vivid dreams" are just FUCKED UP DREAMS that feel extra real.

It's hard to describe the feeling if you haven't experienced it, but it's nothing like a normal dream that just feels real. It strikes you somewhere deep within your brain, and you don't just "shake" the feeling after you've woken up.

While still in pain, I stopped taking the oxycodone because I couldn't bear the thought of having one of those dreams again. I consciously chose a guarantee of pain over the possibility of having another of those dreams.
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Old 03-10-2006, 09:50 AM
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For some reasons the hallucinations (when people experience them, it's not always the case) seem to be always frightening and essentially always include seeing a monster, person, devil, ET, whatever...
I occasionally have sleep paralysis. It was a bit scary at first, but now when it happens it's just sort of curious. The feeling of not being able to move, the weight on the chest, the "sense" of there being some stranger about. It's kind of like when you're engrossed in a thrilling movie.
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Old 03-10-2006, 09:57 AM
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Every "sleep paralysis" discussion I've been in goes something like this...

Person A describes weird experience they have when becoming "wide awake", wonders what supernatural thing occurred because it definitely wasn't a dream as Person A is sure he was not asleep.

Person B- "Oh, that was sleep paralysis, which occurs when... and involves experiences such as..."

A- "No, I've heard of sleep paralysis. I read all about it. This was totally different
(then goes on to relate his experience, which is basically a textbook case of sleep
paralysis.)"

No matter how many people jump in to affirm that the experience was sleep paralysis, Person A never bends.


Rigamarole has broken the mold!!!
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