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Old 09-11-2000, 07:23 PM
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Pardons if this is in the wrong forum.

I've been calling the post office for the last week trying to find out why my carrier is not picking up my mail. Tomorrow morning, i pull out the big guns and start calling (a) the Chicago main post office and (b) the USPS headquarters in Washington.

My question: I live in Chicago (the north side). Is there any concievable that my carrier would not be picking up mail?
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Old 09-11-2000, 07:46 PM
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Maybe he doesn't like you. Or you forgot to put a stamp on it. But more likely, he doesn't like you.
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Old 09-11-2000, 08:12 PM
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I live in Oregon and I had the same problem once. I asked the mailman about it one day as he was delivering more bills. He told me that a lot of carriers (this one was a new one) won't pick up mail if there is nothing to deliver to that address, especially if the mailbox is quite a distance out of the way. Apparently this is o.k. with the post office. I usually just take mine to work with me and drop it in a box on the way. Saves a lot of hassle.
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Old 09-11-2000, 09:35 PM
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Yup. I have the same problem. We can leave stuff in the box for days, until the weekly pile of junk mail shows up and our outgoing stuff finally leaves.
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Old 09-11-2000, 09:41 PM
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Dogs running loose in an area might also be a reason.
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Old 09-11-2000, 09:42 PM
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I say you put it in the dropboxes outside the Post Office. They are easily accessible from a car. (I live well out of town and have a P.O. box instead of a mailbox, so that's really my only option.)
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Old 09-11-2000, 11:22 PM
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I say you put it in the dropboxes outside the Post Office. They are easily accessible from a car. (I live well out of town and have a P.O. box instead of a mailbox, so that's really my only option.)
No car. I live in Chicago - I don't have a reason for one. Anyway, why should I? They're a mail carrier, and I or the other people in my 6-flat get mail every day. The carrier drops off mail and they pick up mail. That's how it works, isn't it?
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Old 09-11-2000, 11:40 PM
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Your neighbor's dog ate the mailman.
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Old 09-11-2000, 11:53 PM
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I am a mail carrier. And we just had a big to-do in the newspaper about this exact issue. If the carrier has to walk up to your door, or stop at your box, he/she will pick up your out going mail. If you are not getting any incoming mail, they are not required to make a stop just to pick it up. If your mailbox is with several others, they should pick it up when they deliver to the boxes. Hope this helps.
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Old 09-12-2000, 12:01 AM
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Carriers are supposed to PICK UP your outgoing mail, too?!?

I swear to Jebus, that's a new one on me -- and dad worked for the PO all his life. I always thought that practice (which I'd see in the old-time movies and TV) went out with buggy whips, or was just a quaint courtesy they'd do for Aunt Bea (or somebody who asked them once in a blue moon with a big smile and the implied promise of a fat Christmas tip). I thought you're always supposed to use the drop box.

How common/widespread is this practice? Is it required, or just a nice favor the carrier does, after all?
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Old 09-12-2000, 12:29 AM
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It is possible that the carrier doesn't realize that it is outgoing mail. At a glance, the carrier could assume that you are a lazy bastard who can't be bothered to get his own mail each day. I more rural areas you have that nifty little flag on the mailbox to let the carrier know that you have something going out. In the city, I'd used a post-it note.

"Dear mailman, (or femaleman)
Please take the outgoing mail in my box.

XOXO
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The XOXO will seal the deal.
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Old 09-12-2000, 07:49 AM
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dragonlady said: If your mailbox is with several others, they should pick it up when they deliver to the boxes.

But is the mail carrier actually required to do so? When I lived out of town we had an RFD address (rural free delivery) and had the flag on the mailbox to indicate outgoing mail. But in town, I always assumed that the mail carrier's job was only to deliver the mail and if he picked it up as well it was as a favor to me. I don't leave mail for him to take very often as I don't want to abuse the privilege. (Even if it turns out he has to take it, I'll still take my stacks of bills to the box at the post office.)
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Old 09-12-2000, 07:59 AM
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I live in an older part of a small city. (1oo,ooo people)
Anyway, my mailman drops my mail through a mail slot in my front door. I attach outgoing mail to a clip on the outside of the door and he picks it up.
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Old 09-12-2000, 08:19 AM
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JosephFinn,

The carrier is under no obligation to pick up the outgoing mail you leave in some unofficial site when he drops off your mail. Walk down the street and put your mail in a mail box. If you had a mail box with a flag (as is the case in rural and many suburban areas), the carrier's job includes picking up the mail that you leave when you put the flag up. Sometimes the carriers will, just as a favor, pick up mail that's left in an unofficial place. In my apartment building, people sometimes stick outgoing mail into a corner wedged between the mailboxes and the wall. Usually the carrier will pick up the mail left there. That's done just as a favor by the carrier though, so you really can't complain if he doesn't do it.
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Old 09-12-2000, 10:06 AM
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I think that's your answer right there.
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Old 09-12-2000, 10:30 AM
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I wouldn't pull out the guns, the postal workers are better shots.

In order for them to GET your mail you must put up a flag or something on the box to let them know its outgoing mail!
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Old 09-12-2000, 11:14 AM
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In order for them to GET your mail you must put up a flag or something on the box to let them know its outgoing mail!
Exactly--this is how it always worked in my suburban childhood neighborhood. You had to put up the red flag if you had letters to be picked up, else the mailman might drive on by.

Of course, I can't remember a single day that we didn't get ANY mail delivered to us. I guess junk mail ensures that we always get pick-up.

Of course, now that I live in an apt. in NYC, I have NO mail pick-up. Have to walk to those blue drop boxes on the corner.
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Old 09-12-2000, 11:21 AM
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I've been reading this with some interest: considering all the other U.S.-type things that have been imported to Britain, it seems a real shame that we missed out on that one! My traditional method of posting mail is to take the post with me when I go out, pass several postboxes in the course of a few days, and finally remember to post it just too late for the cheque to arrive at the electricity company (or whatever) on time. Perhaps I shall start a one-person campaign. Then again, someone else would worry about the possible demise of the postboxes...
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Old 09-12-2000, 12:50 PM
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I am a mail carrier. And we just had a big to-do in the newspaper about this exact issue. If the carrier has to walk up to your door, or stop at your box, he/she will pick up your out going mail. If you are not getting any incoming mail, they are not required to make a stop just to pick it up. If your mailbox is with several others, they should pick it up when they deliver to the boxes. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the info, dragonlady. I'm not trying to get a bug up my butt about the entire USPS (which, in general, has delivered exemplary service over my lifetime), it's just that this is starting to drive me nutso.
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Old 09-12-2000, 12:52 PM
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It is possible that the carrier doesn't realize that it is outgoing mail. At a glance, the carrier could assume that you are a lazy bastard who can't be bothered to get his own mail each day. I more rural areas you have that nifty little flag on the mailbox to let the carrier know that you have something going out. In the city, I'd used a post-it note.

"Dear mailman, (or femaleman)
Please take the outgoing mail in my box.

XOXO
JosephFinn"

The XOXO will seal the deal.
Tried that. No dice. Maybe the problem is that I live in the 60657 ZIP code, consistently one of the worst in the nation for service (we had the little incident with burning mail under a loading dock a few years back, and postal employees hoarding mail in their closets).
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Old 09-12-2000, 12:55 PM
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JosephFinn,

The carrier is under no obligation to pick up the outgoing mail you leave in some unofficial site when he drops off your mail. Walk down the street and put your mail in a mail box. If you had a mail box with a flag (as is the case in rural and many suburban areas), the carrier's job includes picking up the mail that you leave when you put the flag up. Sometimes the carriers will, just as a favor, pick up mail that's left in an unofficial place. In my apartment building, people sometimes stick outgoing mail into a corner wedged between the mailboxes and the wall. Usually the carrier will pick up the mail left there. That's done just as a favor by the carrier though, so you really can't complain if he doesn't do it.
Define unofficial site? Does this include a personal mailbox, or right next to it in plain sight? Seems to me (and we're still waiting for a definitive answer, it seems - even the USPS headquarters in Washington hasn't been able to give me a straight answer yet) that a mail carrier carries mail - both outgoing and incoming.
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Old 09-12-2000, 02:07 PM
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"Dear mailman, (or femaleman)
Please take the outgoing mail in my box.

XOXO
JosephFinn"

The XOXO will seal the deal.
Tried that. No dice. Maybe the problem is that I live in the 60657 ZIP code, consistently one of the worst in the nation for service (we had the little incident with burning mail under a loading dock a few years back, and postal employees hoarding mail in their closets).
Did you really try it with the "XOXO". If not, try again. Everybody knows that mail carriers love hugs and kisses.
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Old 09-12-2000, 02:10 PM
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Also, did you try asking your letter carrier? Hang out on a saturday and make an inquiry. Be polite. You don't want your letter carrier to start depositing your outgoing mail in some homeless guy's 55-gallon drum fire.
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Old 09-12-2000, 03:55 PM
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I worked as a mailman as a summer job this year and my dad's been a mailman for 33 years, so I think I'm qualified to speak on this topic. My dad and I live/deliver in the western suburbs of Chicago (Elmhurst and Glen Ellyn) and I concur with what others have said: if there's no mail to deliver to an address, we don't check to see if there's anything outgoing. With all the junk mail being sent today though, the likelihood of a house not getting any mail even for one day is almost zero. JosephFinn, I'm sure you know as well as anyone that Chicago has a notoriously spotty record for letter carriers getting "creative" with their jobs. When I was in training, my instructor, who lived in Maywood, said that her carrier once went a whole month without delivering mail to her block. If everyone else in your building is receiving normal service though (including the carrier taking their outgoing mail), then it must be a case of the carrier just plain not liking you. Didya tip him/her at Christmas?
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Old 09-12-2000, 04:21 PM
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I'm supposed to tip my mailman? What for? Letters that come to my house are stamped. Letters I send out are stamped. It was my understanding that this was payment for the service.

Am I supposed to tip the meter reader as well?
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Old 09-12-2000, 04:37 PM
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NO, you are not. I've always found this "practice" reprehensible. ( As the child of a PO Deliveryman, I bet you would disagree. C'est La Vie ). One is paid for one's efforts. I work my TAIL off, in a position below the line. People make a FORTUNE off of my efforts, and nobody tips ME. How is it that certain jobs entitle the jobholder to abuse the public's trust, because said public didn't slip them a fifty at the holiday time?
I swear, if I could JUST LEARN to enter active links in here, I'd go into the Postal Criminal Code ( There must be one. There are Postal Police.), and find the actual law prohibiting Letter Carriers from accepting tips. Furthermore, I just bet there are laws AGAINST destruction of a recipient's mail.
This is America. You do you thing, you get your paycheck. Anything else is extortion IMHO, and should be treated accordingly. God help the blackmailing thief postal carrier who burns MY paychecks in a 55-gallon drum, because I didn't offer a bribe--oops, "gift"-- at the Holidays.

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Old 09-12-2000, 07:28 PM
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Postal employees are told, at least in Redding, CA that any gift over $20 must be refused. That does not include a twenty at Christmas, or a batch of cookies or whatever. I'm not saying it's required, but I will say that we all remember who gave us the $20. I don't think that is your problem here. We were just recently told that picking up mail is a courtesy, not a requirement. I don't know of ANY ONE who, if already at the box, doesn't pick up the outgoing mail. I agree with whoever suggested you talk to your carrier. Ask him/her if they will take it for you and where you should leave it in the future. Some parts of some routes get deleivered by subs a lot, and then I'm afraid all bets are off.
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Old 09-12-2000, 07:35 PM
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So much as opening your mail, let alone destroying it, is a Federal Offense. If you sspect someone of doing it, call the police. Some very tough men from the FBI will check up on it.
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Old 09-12-2000, 07:36 PM
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Old 09-12-2000, 08:01 PM
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This thread is a real eye-opener for me, as I've lived in maybe a dozen places in my life all over the US and the mail carriers always picked up outgoing mail and I had no idea it wasn't part of their jobs. I even lived in an apartment building where people wedged their outgoing stuff around the edge of the wallmounted boxes and the carrier would pick it up. As for the house mounted mailboxes on the houses I've lived in, outgoing mail was tucked in the lid sticking out so the carrier could see it from the street as they walked by. I currently live in a townhouse with a mailbox "grouping" and it has a specific slot for "Outgoing mail."

I hereby salute every mail carrier I've ever had my entire life for going above and beyond the call and always picking up my outgoing mail! Wow!
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Old 09-12-2000, 08:29 PM
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JosephFinn writes:

> Define unofficial site? Does this include a personal
> mailbox, or right next to it in plain sight?

Yes, right next to it in plain sight is unofficial. Inside the mailbox is unofficial if you don't have the type of mailbox that has a flag. Use a mailbox on the street.
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So much as opening your mail, let alone destroying it, is a Federal Offense. If you sspect someone of doing it, call the police. Some very tough men from the FBI will check up on it.

Not to mention very tough ladies. I didn't want to mention the "F" word, because I wasn't sure, and hate HATE being called on a mistake in here.

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Old 09-12-2000, 09:15 PM
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Hehe as far as tips go, you should feel no obligation to tip your mailman. But my dad has developed friendly relations with many people on his route, so much so that he even attends wakes for people on his route who pass away. Mailmen don't make a whole lot of money, and he usually makes an extra $600-$800 in tips around Christmastime, which is greatly appreciated by my family. I'm not, however, implying that you should have to tip your mailman just to get routine service. You've got a real problem on your hands there Joseph, and I would suggest talking to your mailman to see what's up.
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Old 09-13-2000, 12:54 AM
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Picking up mail is a courtesy? A courtesy? So what am I bothering to buy stamps for, if not to pay mail carriers, many of whom work extremely hard? I understand that this is not the carriers fault, but the beuracracy, but I'm wondering why they would choose to chop off half of the equation.
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Old 09-13-2000, 09:28 AM
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JosephFinn,

What you're buying stamps for is for your letters to be delivered from the outgoing mailbox you put them into to the mailbox of the person that you're sending them to. You're not paying for the carrier to guess that letters that you've put in some unofficial spot (which you've personally declared to be the place that outgoing mail is to be placed) will be picked up.

A mail carrier has a route and a job defined for him. He has to deliver the mail to all the homes and businesses on his route. If this route includes rural and certain suburban locations, he has to pick up the mail left in mailboxes of a certain type on the days that they have the flag up. In certain apartment houses, an informal agreement has been made between the carrier and the residents that he will pick up the mail left in some chosen unofficial spot. That is purely a friendly arrangement between the carrier and the residents though, and it's not part of the carrier's official job.

If you think that you should have an outgoing mailbox on your street closer to your home, petition the Post Office to put one there. If you think that the system should be changed so that everybody's mail should be picked up, ask the Post Office about that. (Be warned though that this would cost the Post Office so much extra that you're unlikely to get it done without Congress voting to change the charter of the Post Office and the Post Office raising rates.) Don't think though that just because you've decided to arbitrarily change your carrier's job that he or the Post Office will listen to you.
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Old 10-22-2011, 10:26 AM
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That's bull

Okay, so I don't get any incoming mail except for junk mail. For those of you who think that's impossible, it's not. I get everything or alost everything emailed to me, because I do not want to kill trees unnecessarily. Furthermore, my yard is about 2 steps wide. I set my mail up so you can clearly see it from the middle of the road, which is further away than where the mailman walks everyday. My mailbox is attached to a post on my porch. The outgoing mail is upright on top of the mailbox. And by the way, my outgoing mail is usually netflix, which is a big bright red envelope. It's hard to miss. When the mailman does have incoming mail for me he walks across my neighbors yard and mine to deliver it, so it's not too far for him to walk and pick up my outgoing mail. Postage paid means it has been paid for so it can be delivered. And to the person who says mailmen don't get paid much, you're crazy. Beginning wages are $13 per hour. I'd love to get paid that much money, and not have to do my job! And a postal workers job would be much easier if postal patrons were not FORCED to take junk mail even if they don't want it. The Post office uses the excuse that they have to deliver it because they get paid to do so. Every few months of so, they up the price on stamps, because they supposedly are not getting paid enough. Those greedy bastards! How much do they think they need to be paid? By the way, apparently, my money is not as good as whoever is paying to send all of that junk mail, since their mail gets delivered no matter what, and the post office can't see fit to pick up my mail that I paid to have delivered. And another thing, there are no dogs running loose in my area either.

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Old 10-22-2011, 10:32 AM
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Of course the post office will raise their rates. They do that every few months, by raising the prices of stamps. Everytime I turn around, stamps cost more than they did the last time I bought them. The raise their prices at the drop of a hat. And I don't see how it would cost more to pick up outgoing mail that is already on the same route they are on anyway. If they had to deliver incoming mail, they would have to walk that very same path, those very same steps, so how is it more expensive to pick up mail that is in the same place the mailman would have to go anyway? As far as tipping the mail man, here's a tip. "Do your job."

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Old 10-22-2011, 10:44 AM
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If you think that you should have an outgoing mailbox on your street closer to your home, petition the Post Office to put one there,
Good luck with this. The Post Office is busy removing these -- at least around here. The five drop boxes closest to me (I walk a lot) have all been removed. The closest one I know of is actually just outside the local Post Office branch.
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Old 10-22-2011, 11:05 AM
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Good luck with this. The Post Office is busy removing these -- at least around here. The five drop boxes closest to me (I walk a lot) have all been removed. The closest one I know of is actually just outside the local Post Office branch.
Things were different 11 years ago when he posted that idea (this is an ancient thread reopened by the necromancer above you).
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Old 10-22-2011, 11:46 AM
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Yup. I have the same problem. We can leave stuff in the box for days, until the weekly pile of junk mail shows up and our outgoing stuff finally leaves.
Weird. I have no memory of either making this post nor the situation that prompted it. How things change in 11 years.
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Old 10-22-2011, 12:01 PM
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Weird. I have no memory of either making this post nor the situation that prompted it. How things change in 11 years.
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Old 10-22-2011, 12:01 PM
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Of course the post office will raise their rates. They do that every few months, by raising the prices of stamps. Everytime I turn around, stamps cost more than they did the last time I bought them. The raise their prices at the drop of a hat.
You realize that postage hasn't gone up since May 2009, don't you? Just sayin'.
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Old 10-22-2011, 12:18 PM
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Of course the post office will raise their rates. They do that every few months, by raising the prices of stamps.
Wrong, about once a year lately.
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Everytime I turn around, stamps cost more than they did the last time I bought them.
Exaggeration, unless you are so big it takes you 12 months to turn around.
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They raise their prices at the drop of a hat.
Wrong, it has to be done by Congress.
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Old 10-22-2011, 12:30 PM
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Wrong, it has to be done by Congress.
This is incorrect. Rates are approved by the Postal Regulatory Commission. Although one could argue it was created by Congress by way of legislation, much like the post office the PRC is considered an executive branch agency. And the PRC only gets a say when the post office wants to raise rates beyond that of inflation.
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Old 10-22-2011, 06:36 PM
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Hehe as far as tips go, you should feel no obligation to tip your mailman. But my dad has developed friendly relations with many people on his route, so much so that he even attends wakes for people on his route who pass away. Mailmen don't make a whole lot of money, and he usually makes an extra $600-$800 in tips around Christmastime, which is greatly appreciated by my family. I'm not, however, implying that you should have to tip your mailman just to get routine service. You've got a real problem on your hands there Joseph, and I would suggest talking to your mailman to see what's up.
heh, if we didn't slip Mary a dozen eggs every week we would be up to our neck in fresh eggs pretty quickly [mrAru also takes them in to work. Unfortunately they repay him occasionally with huge bags of zucchini ]
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Old 10-23-2011, 02:52 AM
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Exactly--this is how it always worked in my suburban childhood neighborhood. You had to put up the red flag if you had letters to be picked up, else the mailman might drive on by.

Of course, I can't remember a single day that we didn't get ANY mail delivered to us. I guess junk mail ensures that we always get pick-up.

Of course, now that I live in an apt. in NYC, I have NO mail pick-up. Have to walk to those blue drop boxes on the corner.
Most apartment buildings that I have known of, where they have a group of mailboxes together for all the tenants, have one outgoing box there also for everybody to use. Is this not the case in the above and several other up-thread remarks about multi-unit dwelling places?
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Old 10-23-2011, 12:11 PM
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That may be true in large apartment buildings, but it's not true in small ones. I live in an garden-style apartment complex. That is, there are twelve apartments in each building, arranged in three stories of four apartments each. There are several mailboxes in the complex where I can deposit my mail. There are no outgoing mailboxes in the apartment buildings themselves. There is a mailbox for each apartment for incoming mail, but to send mail I have to walk to the nearest mailbox. The nearest ones are about a hundred yards away for me. As I said eleven years ago, some mail carriers will unofficially agree to pick up any mail left next to the mailboxes, but that's their own decision, not U.S. Post Office policy. In any case, it's a bad idea, since anybody can steal your mail before the carrier picks it up.
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Old 10-23-2011, 03:45 PM
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Don't most mailboxes (for individual, detached houses) have a little red flaglike thing you're supposed to put up to let the mail carrier know you want them to pick up outgoing mail? Do people still do this, or was that just a regional or temporal variation in L.A., while I was growing up in the 1960s and early 70s'?
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Old 10-23-2011, 04:00 PM
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Don't most mailboxes (for individual, detached houses) have a little red flaglike thing you're supposed to put up to let the mail carrier know you want them to pick up outgoing mail? Do people still do this, or was that just a regional or temporal variation in L.A., while I was growing up in the 1960s and early 70s'?
those are on roadside (rural or unimproved (no sidewalks or curbs) urban/suburban) where the postal carrier road a vehicle to make deliveries to each address.
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Old 10-23-2011, 04:37 PM
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Wow. No mail collection for 11 years. That's completely unacceptable!
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