Jesus christ, muslims must be WAY too sensitive or something because it seems that Islamic countries are flooded with MASSIVE protests/demonstrations etc… every single time a less than flattering statement about Islam/Mo is uttered in public.
I mean seriously, don’t these fucking people have jobs? How do they get all this time off work to go protest and burn shit at the drop of a hat? And what are they protesting anyway? Who cares what the fucking pope said? They’re not christians anyway so write him off as a kook and go back to work.
It seems hypocritical for these people to rally against “intolerance of Islam” when they are the least tolerant religious group out there.
Maybe it all seems so overblown due to the fact that I’m not religious and the whole concept is nutty to begin with. Hey hardcore muslims, quit shaking your fist at everyone the looks at you funny and go back to work.
Of course, I’d have to say, you’re seeing the thousands of hotheads on TV and not the people who aren’t protesting. The Muslim guy I work with didn’t seem to give a flying fuck, for example. But yes, violent demonstrations against being called violent does appear a trifle hypocritical.
However, do recall the outrage - differently expressed, of course - when Sinead O’Connor ripped up a piccy of Pope JPII on TV.
I suppose any time you lump hundreds of millions of people into one supposed group, it’s pretty easy to find a group who’s “outraged”. Using that word to search Google News:
War veterans in Winnipeg were outraged - are Canadians ever not ‘outraged’ by something?
…family members are outraged Denham’s probation was not revoked… - are relatives of kidnap victims ever not ‘outraged’ by something?
Outraged Konchesky slams ref after Euro adventure hits hitch - are West Ham scum…err, you get the idea.
Maybe it’s just a combination of lazy reporting plus the ease with which any protest rally of any size can be inflated through the medium of television into a massive and volatile situation?
Are Christians ever not “outraged” by something? Right now, the Christians** are outraged at: gays, Muslims, our ‘secular’ government, and Rosie O’Donnel for saying extreme Christians are as bad as extreme Muslims. Along with a ton of other stuff. Sure, you don’t see them rioting in the streets or anything like that, but our society doesn’t exactly lend itself to that type of protest.
** Not all, just the nutty ones. I’d argue that the Muslims you see on TV freaking out are the Phred Phelps’ and Bible Thumpin’ Ninnies of the Muslim world.
Bolding mine. That’s what I’m talking about. You don’t (rarely) see mobs of any other religious group flipping the fuck out over this kind of shit. Sure you’ve got Phelps like clans, but they are small. It seems that you can go to any random country in the middle east and find yourself a muslim freakshow any day of the week filled with wackos burning flags or cursing infidels.
Be pissed off and curse the pope or the cartoons to your buddies or family, but I don’t think riots and massive demonstrations are warrented just because someone says something you don’t like or don’t agree with. If the person is doing something that is directly affecting you then protest, but keep it lowkey when it’s just someone TALKING.
Muslim outrage flows so strongly and comes on so easily that it’s meaningless anymore. It’s like a little kid who crys everytime he gets bumped/scrapped/pinched. You know the kind I’m talking about. You start ignoring his cries because they are rarely ever warranted.
Muslim outrage is just white-noise to the world now. I wish the media would let us tune it out.
Disagree on the first part. Tect of the relevant part of the Pope’s lecture. He apparently was in ‘university professor’ mode and discussed the arguments of the site in a dispute - anyone who reads the actual text will not find anything inflammatory, and the actual audience will have understood it that way. Unfortunately he wasn’t in ‘politician’ mode so he forgot that most people are idiots.
Did you not read my post, or just enjoy using that broad brush of yours?
It’s easy, cheap and eyecatching television. That’s what they’re concerned about. If you believe everyone who claims to tell you the truth, you’ll never see through any of it.
It would be nice to see them direct their outrage at their own corrupt, despotic leaders… they’re the ones who are keeping them down.
Having said that, you really have to take the media coverage with a grain of salt. They basically are trolling for the equivalent of trailer trash wailing after their trailers got carried away in a tornado. They’re probably using stock footage half the time, the cynic in me sometimes thinks.
There’s a Muslim family living in my apartment complex (okay, there are several, but that’s not the point). Their little girl is one of Michaela’s best friends. Anyway, during the past few years, when we didn’t have a car, we would sometimes ask for a ride to take care of some spur-of-the-moment errand. They were never even a little bit outraged.
Another time, I helped the mother clean up a report she was about to submit for a class in her nursing program. Far from being outraged over that, she was actually grateful. When we offer to have her daughter join us for dinner, she fails to express outrage over that, too.
So, yeah, I’d have to say that Muslims are sometimes NOT outraged by something.
Oh, Hana DID express outrage one time, when I gave her son a couple of bucks for gas after he gave us a ride. But she was mad at her son, not me.
Thanks for the link - interesting to see it in context, and unfortunately the full text won’t be seen by many people (not just Muslims) who will clamour for an ‘apology’.
A lot of these protests are organized by dictatorial governments. In such countries, there is no such thing as a right to protest in general, say at your own government. But whenever the government can use a diversion, an outlet or a scapegoat, they round up some young men and let them participate in “outraged protest” near some international camera’s. I think it is telling that they never attack those CNN-camera’s, just burn flags in front of it.
Have you ever noticed that for every raging and fist waving young beard in those camerashots, there are usually plenty people standing at the fringes looking amused at all the commotion in the center?
I did not find anything wrong what the Pope said in his reference to Mohammed and Islam in his lecture over which the Muslims are expressing outrage. It is a fact that Islam in a large part was spread by the sword in its early days. It is a historical truth.
The very fact that the Muslims protest in such a violent manner over every small criticism itself proves the truth of the criticism in the “truth is bitter” way.
Instead of protesting and calling for apologies, it would make more sense if they took it as a serious debate and made efforts at proving the statement wrong.
Unfortunately it is the same problem with all religions. Only a higher measure of the issues in Islam.
At the time of the Muslim cartoon protests, I remember hearing an interesting point…even with the internet, it wasn’t easy to find the original images. Yet all these people protesting seemed to have seen them…or at least, something which was supposed to be them. Who knows if they’d seen the real cartoons, or other drawings (say, showing Mohammed and a goat…), circulated by people wanting to generate a hostility towards a foreign power?
You might have noticed that I hadn’t seen the full context of the Pope’s statement until reading this thread. I’m sure I’m not the only one. If people are being fed the line being reported by most of the media, why should they suspect that the “taken out of context” excuse was in this case an explanation?
I saw a photo of Muslim youths who were protesting not the implication that Islam promoted violence, but that “Jihad” was the right of all Muslims, and the Pope’s alleged criticism was bigoted to take issue with that.
Great. I’m sure it’s a tiny minority who think this way, but still…
