Is this an urban legend?

[Rilchiam]

Okay, so Mr. Rilch told me some anecdotes from his co-worker. One of them involved Co-Worker dropping acid with friends of his, when they were either in high school or home from college. "So they started driving somewhere, and they were really paranoid that they were going to get pulled over, but then they realized they were near the airport. So they got on a side road and parked there for hours watching the planes take off. Then they got back to his house and crashed out, and the next morning, his mom came storming into his room. 'You guys are on drugs! You were doing drugs all night!

"'Uh...No, mom, we were just driving around!'

"'Driving around? You never left the driveway! You were sitting in that car all night!'"

Now, I'd swear that I heard that one before. In fact, I think I even heard it on this board. And Co-Worker also claims that having dropped acid more than six times makes him legally insane, so I'm highly

Has anyone heard this story before?

[FairyChatMom]

It's a new one to me. And it sounds like the kind of story someone full of hot air will share, then dare you to prove it didn't happen.

Maybe dropping acid made this coworker legally stupid?? <shrug> Anyway, in answer to your question, I don't think so...

[Contrapuntal]

I have not heard the story. It sounds fake to me, though. If the mom was so concerned about the kids being on drugs, why didn't she bust them while they were in the driveway? Surely she would not have wanted them to drive around stoned. No way she would have left them out there all night.

[NinetyWt]

Never heard that one. But. My brother and his friend went to leave the house after getting quite stoned. They cranked the car in the garage but fell asleep talking. Next morning woke up and the car had run out of gas. So, it might be possible. YMMV.

[Rilchiam]

Originally Posted by Contrapuntal

I have not heard the story. It sounds fake to me, though. If the mom was so concerned about the kids being on drugs, why didn't she bust them while they were in the driveway? Surely she would not have wanted them to drive around stoned. No way she would have left them out there all night.

That's what I thought, too. Urban legends often have such flaws. But Mr. Rilch is determined to believe this guy for some reason. Re: the legal insanity: "He's a big stoner, so he'd know about the law." Um...yeah. Who is the lawyer on here who grumps about having wasted time and money going to law school when he could have gone to jail and learned everything?

NinetyWt: No offense, but now I have to ask you, even if the garage door was open, wouldn't there still have been some ill effects from the exhaust?

[Hostile Dialect]

Sounds like BS to me. The claim that having dropped acid more than six times makes him legally insane is a blatant UL and doesn't withstand more than half a second of rational examination.

I guess I could see that maybe they were hallucinating hard enough that they imagined planes. But most LSD open-eye visuals aren't as vivid and lifelike as that IMO. It can happen, sure, but usually it's more like trails, funky colors, and little extra "notes" tacked on to the end of things. I've never dropped acid (though not for lack of trying), but I've studied it and I've been on other hallucinogens; IME, if I'm fucked enough to see imaginary airplanes with my eyes open, I'm probably in my own private Greenland and would have no idea that I'm in a car or in a driveway. Closed-eye visuals that vivid aren't too unusual, though.

Originally Posted by Rilchiam

Re: the legal insanity: "He's a big stoner, so he'd know about the law." Um...yeah.

Bullshit. I used to be one of those stoners who knew a lot about the law, and I can tell you that most stoners have no clue. I mean, come on! Fifty percent of baby boomers used some illicit drug at least once (cite)--how many of those dropped acid more than six times?--and 16% of those who were aged 19-28 in 2002 had used LSD at least once (cite). That's a hell of a lot of legally insane people.

This is a thorough treatise on the "legally insane" UL.

[Johnny L.A.]

A friend of mine and a friend of his dropped acid in the '80s. They were pulled over by a cop. The cop knew they were high, but there was no evidence of alcohol or marijuana and F & FOAF were obviously not on cocaine. Acid never occurred to him. Since he didn't know what to arrest them for, he told them to start walking. He would come back, and if he found their car gone he would arrest them.

I presume the amount and type/quality of the acid is a factor; but in my friend's case he was still functional and not hallucinating about being somewhere he wasn't.

[Lumpy]

Originally Posted by FairyChatMom

It's a new one to me. And it sounds like the kind of story someone full of hot air will share, then dare you to prove it didn't happen.

"Vass you dere, Sharlie?"

[Hostile Dialect]

Originally Posted by Johnny L.A.

I presume the amount and type/quality of the acid is a factor; but in my friend's case he was still functional and not hallucinating about being somewhere he wasn't.

An important point to consider is that hallucinating something does not actually mean one believes it is true. For example, a close friend and I once had shared psychedelic visions (closed-eye visuals, to be precise) of "the pink man", a man aged between 45 and 60 who was colored solid pink, lived in a pink world and was made of the essence of pink, and who was defined solely by his pinkness. The fact that we vividly hallucinated the pink man didn't mean we thought there was an actual pink man. She once crawled under the yellow wallpaper in American Lit class, and I traveled the galaxy with her boyfriend. Those were hallucinations. She didn't actually think she was under wallpaper and we didn't actually think we were in outer space.

So, basically, it's one thing to hallucinate an airport, and quite another thing to actually believe one is at an airport. The former is a neat perception trick while the latter is the fundamental deconstruction of the reality-checking process, a total breakdown in one's understanding of the world around oneself. LSD can do that, sure, but there are too many things falling into place together in FOAH's story: up to four people share the same hallucination, all of them have their reality check shattered by prodigious amounts of acid, and somebody's mom notices and doesn't say a word, presumably sitting inside knitting or watching Jeopardy like nothing was going on. Bullshit. DXM creates shared hallucinations, Datura and salvia divinorum reliably shatter the reality-check process (for days and minutes at a time, respectively), and LSD might convince someone they're at an airport when they're not but that's a hell of a lot of coincidences to line up in one place at one time.

[Cowboy8467]

Yea, I've only done acid once, but having done a number of other hallucinogens I would have to say that acid is nowhere near as potent as some people make it out to be. The first and only time that I took acid it was about two little pieces of blotter paper maybe the size of the fingernail on my pinky and I've heard that's about the standard amount. The duration of the trip lasted maybe six hours and mostly it was a feeling of intense euphoria but I also got closed eye visuals and tracers. It seems hard to believe that somebody could take so much that they would see something or invent something in their minds that completely isn't there.

The most powerful hallucinogen I think I've taken is 2ci which may or may not be illegal in the United States at this point. Either way it was pretty interesting.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Rilchiam

Now, I'd swear that I heard that one before. In fact, I think I even heard it on this board. And Co-Worker also claims that having dropped acid more than six times makes him legally insane, so I'm highly

Has anyone heard this story before?

No, but I've heard (presumably) real-life stories about hippie kids driving home stoned, driving very cautiously - and getting pulled over because they were going way under the speed limit on the highway. Seems kind of similar to me. The driveway story isn't a certified urban legend, but I suggest you send your coworker to Snopes.

[Hostile Dialect]

Originally Posted by Cowboy8467

The most powerful hallucinogen I think I've taken is 2ci which may or may not be illegal in the United States at this point. Either way it was pretty interesting.

FWIW, 2ci is not specifically outlawed, but it can be considered an analogue of 2cb, which is illegal. In other words: technically no, pragmatically yes if the DA is sharp enough and really cares.

[Chefguy]

Sounds like a variation on the old Cheech and Chong bit about being pulled over because they were doing 7mph.

[hajario]

The more than six times thing is a UL that has been around for a long time. I first heard it in the early 80's and it was probably old then. As others have cited, it is obviously not true. If it is, I am insane many, many times over so assuming that the last twenty years and all of you guys aren't just a figment of my imagination, we can put this one to rest.

As to the airplane story, I've heard plenty of similar BS stories over the years. As a veteran of many trips, some of which were very intense and lasted for over 24 hours, that story just not plausible. It doesn't work that way.

[Slithy Tove]

One time about a half-dozen of us took acid (little pieces of blotter paper printed with King Tut, BTW), and climbed into one our parents station wagon and drove on the remote backroads through the hills of Green County, Wisconsin in pitch black night.

Everyone was laughing his ass off as the driver mashed the gas pedal because the faster we went, the slower we seemed to be going. Sheer hilarity!

Maybe because I worked at the cemetery and had buried several of my friends who'd died while road-drinking, I had a moment of clarity after we'd spun round a few corners "farting gravel," but still didn't want to be a buzz-killer, so instead I suggested we let the engine idle and see what 3 mph felt like.

It felt like we were in a spaceship going through clouds of stars (lot of lightning bus and humidity clouds, actually) as super-light speed. Everyone suddenly went "Wow...Fuck!"

[NinetyWt]

Originally Posted by Rilchiam

NinetyWt: No offense, but now I have to ask you, even if the garage door was open, wouldn't there still have been some ill effects from the exhaust?

So THAT'S what's wrong with him !!

None taken, Rilchiam. If I recall correctly yes, they both had splitting headaches the next day; and felt very ill. In retrospect, they were lucky that the garage door *was* open.

[bibliophage]

Snopes on the seven-trips-means-insanity legend: http://www.snopes.com/legal/lsdcrazy.asp

[Miller]

Reminds me of the night me and a friend snuck out to his car to smoke a bowl. We were astounded, because the bowl just would not cash out, no matter how many times we hit it. It took a really embarassingly long time for one of us to realize that the bowl was totally empty, and it wasn't smoke coming out of our mouths when we hit the pipe: it was our condensed breath in the cold night air.

[Rilchiam]

Originally Posted by fetus

Sounds like BS to me. The claim that having dropped acid more than six times makes him legally insane is a blatant UL and doesn't withstand more than half a second of rational examination.

That's what I told Mr. Rilch! But he has a huge chip on his shoulder re: debunked ULs. A few years ago, when I cited both Snopes and Jan Harold Brunvand to refute the "Trick-or-treaters are routinely being given tainted candy" UL, he turned his nose up at Snopes, on the grounds that it's "just a website" and guffawed when I showed him the relevant Brunvand passage. "Folklore? He teaches folklore? BWAH!"

I guess I could see that maybe they were hallucinating hard enough that they imagined planes. But most LSD open-eye visuals aren't as vivid and lifelike as that IMO. It can happen, sure, but usually it's more like trails, funky colors, and little extra "notes" tacked on to the end of things. I've never dropped acid (though not for lack of trying), but I've studied it and I've been on other hallucinogens; IME, if I'm fucked enough to see imaginary airplanes with my eyes open, I'm probably in my own private Greenland and would have no idea that I'm in a car or in a driveway. Closed-eye visuals that vivid aren't too unusual, though.

I believe you, but neither of us has ever dropped acid, so I can't speak from authority.

Bullshit. I used to be one of those stoners who knew a lot about the law, and I can tell you that most stoners have no clue.

Well, I told him that too! And I put "knows a lot about the law" in big honking air quotes. Didn't matter to him. I also pointed out how many guests of the state "know a lot about the law", and he said, "Well, that's different."

This is a thorough treatise on the "legally insane" UL.

Thanks, though that doesn't help the current situation.

Anyway, I'm not the one who has to be educated here, and I didn't have much hope of convincing Mr. Rilch either. The reason I asked is because I was sure I'd heard that exact story before. Drop acid. Drive somewhere. Watch some kind of cool visual. Next morning, get busted (by parent who could have intervened at the time but did not), and find that car never left driveway. It didn't just sound unlikely; it also sounded very familiar.

NinetyWt: I see. Glad to hear it!

[Guinastasia]

I thought I heard it somewhere, but not as an urban legend: as a joke.

[glee]

Originally Posted by Miller

Reminds me of the night me and a friend snuck out to his car to smoke a bowl. We were astounded, because the bowl just would not cash out, no matter how many times we hit it. It took a really embarassingly long time for one of us to realize that the bowl was totally empty, and it wasn't smoke coming out of our mouths when we hit the pipe: it was our condensed breath in the cold night air.

[Seven]

Sean, an old friend of mine, swore by a story much like the one in the OP which happened to him in the 70's.

The plan of the night was to take acid, go out on the town with friends. He was at home waiting for friends to arrive but they were running late. He decided to drop his acid while he waited. (Thinking about this now, there was some element of the story about the acid. But I don't remember now.)

An hour or so later his friends arrived and they went out dancing. He was tripping from the acid and found it hard to get around - but he said he had a great time even though the club lights were surreal and his visuals were all messed up. They ended up back at his place and as people started to come down they just crashed where they sat.

The next day Sean gets up to a house of half-awake, half-asleep people with dirty dishrag feeling acid hangovers. He tells them what a great time he had and they should go to that club again. His friends give him a funny look and tell their side of the story.

They arrive at his place the night before and find him tripping hard on the couch. They can't snap him out of it, but he seemed ok, so they just decide to stay at his house and drop and keep an eye on him. Sean spend the entire night on the couch.

That's pretty much the story I was told.

Given Sean was a big-wig producer for Casablanca in the 70's, and had a ton of cash from his projects -Kiss being one of them- he had a million stories of extreme party situations. I'd hear some of them and think "yeah, right. What bullshit" only later to hear the story confirmed by someone else.

So, is it true? Hard to say. But knowing this guy, I'd suspect it was.

I've taken acid so I know the effects at low doses. (I never wanted to take so much I'd blow my brain out.) But some of the trips were pretty wild and involved just sitting and staring at things - and that was one hit of good stuff. I could see dropping 6-7 hits or more and having a total mind trip.

I think the story is possible.

[susan]

Psychologist here. If it were true that x acid trips = legally insane, my licensing board would have made me learn it when I had to learn the rest of state law relevant to psychologists. I also teach an alcohol and drug detection and intervention class at the doctoral level, and assure you that this idea is nonsense.

[hajario]

Originally Posted by Seven

So, is it true? Hard to say. But knowing this guy, I'd suspect it was.

I've taken acid so I know the effects at low doses. (I never wanted to take so much I'd blow my brain out.) But some of the trips were pretty wild and involved just sitting and staring at things - and that was one hit of good stuff. I could see dropping 6-7 hits or more and having a total mind trip.

I think the story is possible.

Not at all credible in my experience. I am well aware of the effects of very high doses and lots of my old college friends were too. It just doesn't work that way. Maybe he was on something else.

[Cowboy8467]

Yea I do find it a little hard to believe. A friend of mine accidentally took ten hits of acid at one time, apparently because some other friends of his thought it would be funny to give him that much just to see how he would react. (It was his first time) Needless to say this stuff absolutely blew his mind but he said that it was similar to an overwhelmingly strong shroom trip, although he did swear off acid after that night...

[Daithi Lacha]

Originally Posted by hajario

The more than six times thing is a UL that has been around for a long time. I first heard it in the early 80's and it was probably old then. As others have cited, it is obviously not true. If it is, I am insane many, many times over so assuming that the last twenty years and all of you guys aren't just a figment of my imagination, we can put this one to rest.

As to the airplane story, I've heard plenty of similar BS stories over the years. As a veteran of many trips, some of which were very intense and lasted for over 24 hours, that story just not plausible. It doesn't work that way.

Well, you just wrote exactly what I was thinking, so I guess I just won't bother.

[Scoundrel Swanswater]

Originally Posted by Seven

Sean, an old friend of mine, swore by a story much like the one in the OP which happened to him in the 70's.

The plan of the night was to take acid, go out on the town with friends. He was at home waiting for friends to arrive but they were running late. He decided to drop his acid while he waited. (Thinking about this now, there was some element of the story about the acid. But I don't remember now.)

An hour or so later his friends arrived and they went out dancing. He was tripping from the acid and found it hard to get around - but he said he had a great time even though the club lights were surreal and his visuals were all messed up. They ended up back at his place and as people started to come down they just crashed where they sat.

The next day Sean gets up to a house of half-awake, half-asleep people with dirty dishrag feeling acid hangovers. He tells them what a great time he had and they should go to that club again. His friends give him a funny look and tell their side of the story.

They arrive at his place the night before and find him tripping hard on the couch. They can't snap him out of it, but he seemed ok, so they just decide to stay at his house and drop and keep an eye on him. Sean spend the entire night on the couch.

That's pretty much the story I was told.

Given Sean was a big-wig producer for Casablanca in the 70's, and had a ton of cash from his projects -Kiss being one of them- he had a million stories of extreme party situations. I'd hear some of them and think "yeah, right. What bullshit" only later to hear the story confirmed by someone else.

So, is it true? Hard to say. But knowing this guy, I'd suspect it was.

I've taken acid so I know the effects at low doses. (I never wanted to take so much I'd blow my brain out.) But some of the trips were pretty wild and involved just sitting and staring at things - and that was one hit of good stuff. I could see dropping 6-7 hits or more and having a total mind trip.

I think the story is possible.

This could very well be true.
I have taken a lot of acid in my life and I have to say there were definitely some times I was really out of it.
Sometimes you would just feel funny and laugh your ass off.
Sometimes things would get distorted.
Sometimes I could see things that really weren't there as clear as I can see my monitor right now.
I even had some shared hallucinations with a good friend of mine.

[Scoundrel Swanswater]

BTW : I don't think it is the quantity of acid, but more the quality.
I have had batches that always gave me strong visual trips with lots of clarity.
Then I had another batch which just left me unable to form a cogent sentence or to even move my body.
I have had trips so muddled I could see in 2 different realities at once : one (reality) which was the forest I was trying to walk through, the second (hallucinations) a big see-through bar with see-through people in it.
It was really had trying to convince your body that : yes, you can walk through these "solid" object, as they are clearly an hallucination.
It took me about 30 minutes to walk a particular stretch, which was actually about 10 metres long.

[hajario]

Originally Posted by Scoundrel Swanswater

This could very well be true.
I have taken a lot of acid in my life and I have to say there were definitely some times I was really out of it.
Sometimes you would just feel funny and laugh your ass off.
Sometimes things would get distorted.
Sometimes I could see things that really weren't there as clear as I can see my monitor right now.
I even had some shared hallucinations with a good friend of mine.

All believable. I can believe that he had a trip about dancing at a club or whatever. The part of the story that doesn't seem credible to me is that the next morning he didn't know what was real and were was the effects of the drug. This might happen for little details or whatever but not, I don't think, for the entire night.

[Foxy40]

It was a dark and stormy night.
No, really, it was.
My then boyfriend and I decided to take some acid to celebrate my birthday. We were at a local amusement park and the weather was terrible. It started to rain and I promptly put up my yellow umbrella to keep dry. I kept telling my boyfriend that he was getting wet and to please come under the umbrella. He just laughed and laughed. A couple of hours later I looked all over for my trusty yellow umbrella getting more and more annoyed because I could not find it. My friend looked at me strangely and said I never HAD an umbrella. To this day I would pass a lie detector test swearing I had one.
I think that the story is indeed possible if there were only one of them. Two people having the same trip? Not so sure.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I've done acid a lot more than six times and look how I turned out.

The story is bullshit. Acid does not make you forget where you are you are or make you see things that aren't there. The hallucinatory aspects of an acid trip tend to be greatly exaggerated in pop culture and folklore. Like others have said, you get vivid visuals when you close your eyes. With your eyes open, you may see some mild distortion of lights and colors and sounds may become louder or more intense but that's about it. You don't actually "hallucinate" in the sense of seeing things that aren't really there and you don't believe that the distortions you see are real.

The notion that a group of people could be sitting in their own driveway and believe they're at the airport watching planes is not remotely consistent with any experience of hallucinagens I've ever had or witnessed. I can believe something like seeing airplanes in the distance and thinking they're closer than they really are but that's about the extent to which acid will distort perceptions.

These kind of stories always sound like they were made up by people who have never smoked a joint, much less tripped on acid.

[msmith537]

Originally Posted by FairyChatMom

It's a new one to me. And it sounds like the kind of story someone full of hot air will share, then dare you to prove it didn't happen.

Maybe dropping acid made this coworker legally stupid?? <shrug> Anyway, in answer to your question, I don't think so...

Sounds like the same stoner "lawyers" who think an undercover officer has to identify themselves if you ask "are you a cop?" Oh shit! Why didn't every criminal in the history of time think of that?

[Litoris]

I always heard that it was 10 times or more dropping acid to be "legally insane" but can tell you this is absolute BS. I had to have a full MMPI 2 psychiatric evaluation during which I was totally honest with the doctor and divulged that I had done LSD at least twice a week for the entire period of my junior and senior years in high school (why do ya think they called it "high" school?) -- way more than 10 times, if you're keeping track -- and I got a totally clean bill of health. In fact, my evaluation states "Patient is free of any psychoses, neuroses or pathologies" While my family may disagree, I do have it in writing that I am quite legally sane.

[Don Draper]

Originally Posted by Rilchiam

Okay, so Mr. Rilch told me some anecdotes from his co-worker. One of them involved Co-Worker dropping acid with friends of his, when they were either in high school or home from college. "So they started driving somewhere, and they were really paranoid that they were going to get pulled over, but then they realized they were near the airport. So they got on a side road and parked there for hours watching the planes take off. Then they got back to his house and crashed out, and the next morning, his mom came storming into his room. 'You guys are on drugs! You were doing drugs all night!

"'Uh...No, mom, we were just driving around!'

"'Driving around? You never left the driveway! You were sitting in that car all night!'"

Now, I'd swear that I heard that one before. In fact, I think I even heard it on this board. And Co-Worker also claims that having dropped acid more than six times makes him legally insane, so I'm highly

Has anyone heard this story before?

Just to get to the OP original question - YES, this is an Urban Legend. YES, I have heard it before. The very same thing happened to "the older brother" of an old high school friend of mine.

That same friend of mine knew of a girl who dropped acid while babysitting. She was supposed to put a roast in the oven at five and the baby to bed at six...

[Seven]

Originally Posted by hajario

Not at all credible in my experience. I am well aware of the effects of very high doses and lots of my old college friends were too. It just doesn't work that way. Maybe he was on something else.

High doses meaning what and what year?

I know the acid we used to get in the 80's was much stronger than what we got 8-9 years later. Hearing about acid these days and it sounds like it is about 1/4 of what we used to get. His story would have taken place around 1974-5.

I'm not going to argue for this guy because I wasn't there. I only know what I remember form his story. Sean talked alot but he wasn't a liar. He did enough on his own to not need to make anything up. I know he and his friends used to do some crazy stuff. All those stories of what rock stars do in hotels,. he helped create some of those stories.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by msmith537

Sounds like the same stoner "lawyers" who think an undercover officer has to identify themselves if you ask "are you a cop?" Oh shit! Why didn't every criminal in the history of time think of that?

What's really amazing is when you find someone who's been smoking pot for around 40 years and still believes that crap.

[Darryl Lict]

I agree with Hajario and Diogenes. I imagine that if you did a ton of acid, you might start hallucinating, but I've only met a couple of people who claim to have hallucinated (horns on heads and flowers with faces). Never happened to me and I've been to maybe 40 Grateful Dead concerts.

On the other hand, I wouldn't trust myself driving. Riding a bicycle on the beach though, is completely another story.

[pulykamell]

Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic

Acid does not make you forget where you are you are or make you see things that aren't there. The hallucinatory aspects of an acid trip tend to be greatly exaggerated in pop culture and folklore.

I've never taken acid, but, like many other drugs, doesn't "your mileage may vary" particularly apply here? Perhaps acid doesn't do those things to you, but I'd wager that it does for other people. For example, with marijuana, I seomtimes experience auditory hallucinations (this also happens to me occasionally when I'm extremely sleep-deprived): I hear complete songs with full instrumentation and arrangements and hear them exactly as if a radio were playing in the room. Except the music only exists in my head and is completely original. It's a beautiful feeling when it happens, but I don't know anybody else who has this reaction to marijuana.

So I don't understand how people can say with complete confidence that LSD does not and can not cause certain specific reactions when people have such differing reactions to drugs.

[Scoundrel Swanswater]

Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic

The story is bullshit. Acid does not make you forget where you are you are or make you see things that aren't there. The hallucinatory aspects of an acid trip tend to be greatly exaggerated in pop culture and folklore. Like others have said, you get vivid visuals when you close your eyes. With your eyes open, you may see some mild distortion of lights and colors and sounds may become louder or more intense but that's about it. You don't actually "hallucinate" in the sense of seeing things that aren't really there and you don't believe that the distortions you see are real.

Well, first off : thanks for implicitly calling me a liar.
Second : Your story is bullshit.

Just because you have never had hallucinations doesn't mean they don't happen.
I have seen people that weren't there, I have seen the leafs in a tree change into yellow raincoat-wearing munchkins and a whole lot more.
Some people I used to trip with also didn't hallucinate most of the times, but some did some of the times.
(I did most of the times)

Most of them were completely shocked the first time it happened to them, because they were only expecting the mild distortion you mentioned.
Trust me, it is a completely different ballpark but it is the same drug.

[Hostile Dialect]

Originally Posted by Miller

It took a really embarassingly long time for one of us to realize that the bowl was totally empty, and it wasn't smoke coming out of our mouths when we hit the pipe: it was our condensed breath in the cold night air.

Heh. Same thing happened to me on prom night. No, winter formal.

I always spelled it "cache", but now that I think about it that doesn't make much sense. Does anyone else spell it "cache" in their head?

Originally Posted by Rilchiam

That's what I told Mr. Rilch! But he has a huge chip on his shoulder re: debunked ULs. A few years ago, when I cited both Snopes and Jan Harold Brunvand to refute the "Trick-or-treaters are routinely being given tainted candy" UL, he turned his nose up at Snopes, on the grounds that it's "just a website" and guffawed when I showed him the relevant Brunvand passage. "Folklore? He teaches folklore? BWAH!"

"Just a website"? His friend is just a confirmed bullshitter. Which one wins? And I don't know who Brunvand is, but the fact that he's teaching anything probably gives him more cred than your husband or his buddy. No offense.

Originally Posted by Rilchiam

I believe you, but neither of us has ever dropped acid, so I can't speak from authority.

But it's very easy to confirm the comparisons I made on the very website I linked to earlier, in experience reports written by people who have dropped acid; that gives each of them as much credibility as hubby's buddy, and much greater strength in numbers.

Originally Posted by Rilchiam

Thanks, though that doesn't help the current situation.

Sure it does. It shows your husband that his buddy is full of shit, and is one of those stoners who thinks he's got his shit together but really just arbitrarily pieces together hearsay he's picked up and presents it as fact. Good for him for possessing such confidence, but I wouldn't trust him further than I could throw him.

Originally Posted by Rilchiam

The reason I asked is because I was sure I'd heard that exact story before. Drop acid. Drive somewhere. Watch some kind of cool visual. Next morning, get busted (by parent who could have intervened at the time but did not), and find that car never left driveway. It didn't just sound unlikely; it also sounded very familiar.

IME, odds are if you hear the exact same trip about a drug in several different places, it's a UL. Many drugs, psychedelics especially and synthetics more so, have "themes" that occur in most or all highs. Dextromethorphan has the famed "Robowalk", magic mushrooms have the thought loop, salvia divinorum has "salvia space", LSD has the destruction of the ego, marijuana the feeling of understanding and connectedness. Even some hallucinations have features that are shared exactly; for example, many salvia smokers note that they experience an imaginary conversation with the plant itself, which often takes on a motherly personality (hence the plant's nickname, Lady Salvia). But for multiple people to report having exactly the same trip, that's usually pretty sketchy. Just like anything else, the pushier, the more fake.

Then again, probably the best policy about acid is to assume everything you hear about it is blatantly made up and passed on to blithering idiots who soak it up like sponges. IME at least 98% of what you hear about acid is bullshit.

Originally Posted by Seven

The next day Sean gets up to a house of half-awake, half-asleep people with dirty dishrag feeling acid hangovers

I've never heard of acid hangovers, and acid is not one of those drugs that encourages you to go to sleep, anyway.

Originally Posted by pulykamell

I've never taken acid, but, like many other drugs, doesn't "your mileage may vary" particularly apply here? Perhaps acid doesn't do those things to you, but I'd wager that it does for other people.

Bullshit. Acid doesn't shatter peoples' sense of true vs false. You might as well say that nicotine "may" keep some people up for weeks, and cover it under YMMV. No, sorry.

Originally Posted by pulykamell

For example, with marijuana, I seomtimes experience auditory hallucinations (this also happens to me occasionally when I'm extremely sleep-deprived): I hear complete songs with full instrumentation and arrangements and hear them exactly as if a radio were playing in the room. Except the music only exists in my head and is completely original. It's a beautiful feeling when it happens, but I don't know anybody else who has this reaction to marijuana.

I have. Percocet, too. (On the Percocet I thought I was stoned and listening to Radiohead--neither was true, and I figured it out after two songs or so.)

[Nava]

Originally Posted by Rilchiam

NinetyWt: No offense, but now I have to ask you, even if the garage door was open, wouldn't there still have been some ill effects from the exhaust?

If the door was open or there was enough ventilation otherwise, no.

[Ethilrist]

The version of this UL that I've heard ends with his mom pointing out that, rather than the guys sitting in the car all night smoking weed, they were gone all night and now there are airplane tire skidmarks on the roof of the car...

[What Exit?]

I use to drop a little acid when I was young. Most of the trips were passive and fun, but one trip was two hits while on a camping trip.

That night, I saw many things in the campfire. I went on a very long walk in the woods that turned out to be maybe a 1000 yards. I thought I experienced telepathy with my friends at one point, but no one else recalls this of course. Finally, in the morning at the pre-dawn, I was sitting under a large pine tree and I saw every needle lit up in violet light. It was a breathtakingly beautiful sight and I have never seen anything like it since. Imagine a 50 foot pine lit up a little like today’s fiber optics Christmas trees, but all in violet and very subtle. I was listening to Alan’s Psychedelic Breakfast at the time.

No matter how many times I tripped, I always tripped with friends and we never shared the same effects or visuals. I find this part of the story in the Op to be complete BS. I could accept a single person sitting in his car all night having an extremely visually real dream of driving to the airport. However, I cannot accept a pair sharing the experience. It sounds like a couple of UL jumbled together with a piece of Wayne’s World thrown in.

I never drove while on acid, but I did ride with friends that were. They usually drove slow, but not anywhere close to the Hollywood joke of less than 10 miles per hour.

Jim

[hajario]

Originally Posted by Seven

High doses meaning what and what year?

I know the acid we used to get in the 80's was much stronger than what we got 8-9 years later. Hearing about acid these days and it sounds like it is about 1/4 of what we used to get. His story would have taken place around 1974-5..

My tripping days were from 1984 to 1991. The most I ever took was several hits of strong stuff New Years Eve 1985.

[hajario]

Originally Posted by Darryl Lict

I agree with Hajario and Diogenes. I imagine that if you did a ton of acid, you might start hallucinating, but I've only met a couple of people who claim to have hallucinated (horns on heads and flowers with faces). Never happened to me and I've been to maybe 40 Grateful Dead concerts.

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Hey Now! I just noticed your location. I went to around 70 Dead shows back in the day. I haven't seen a concert by any of the surviving members in years and years but I'm going to the Bobby show in Ventura in a couple of weeks. A friend invited me. You going by any chance?

[Barrels]

Originally Posted by Slithy Tove

climbed into one our parents station wagon and drove on the remote backr roads through the hills of Green County, Wisconsin in pitch black night.

Maybe because I worked at the cemetery and had buried several of my friends who'd died while road-drinking, I had a moment of clarity after we'd spun round a few corners "farting gravel," but still didn't want to be a buzz-killer, so instead I suggested we let the engine idle and see what 3 mph felt like.

:Hijack: GO CHEESEMAKERS!

Do you know the guys from Heiser Vault? They are family friends.

[Slithy Tove]

Sorry no. I left a long time ago. And, as indicated, I endeavored to be stoned every moment I was there (although I can still recall summer humidity so bad a walk felt like a wade)

[tashabot]

I have no idea, but I think I've heard the OP's story before as a joke.

I do know that the one time I took acid, I had very vivid dreams that seemed so real that I thought they really happened - it took my friends a long time to convince me that I'd really just gone to sleep shortly after I'd started tripping, and that no, we didn't drive up to Reno and have a really wild night involving a hitchhiker, a stripper, and a herd of coyotes. The weird thing is that my dream involved all of my friends and seemed to pick up where I left off in the real world.

Maybe when people do things like this that's the case? They're dreaming? I could be way off base on this one, but that seems a lot more plausable to me than them actually hallucinating full-sized airplanes.

~Tasha

[pulykamell]

Originally Posted by fetus

Bullshit. Acid doesn't shatter peoples' sense of true vs false. You might as well say that nicotine "may" keep some people up for weeks, and cover it under YMMV. No, sorry.

I'm not saying it's a fact, I'm just not ready to dismiss it so easily. I've had alcohol alter my sense of what's real and what isn't, so I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if LSD could do the same with some people.

At any rate, I was posting more about the type of hallucination that happens. Some people apparently get mild visuals, others, like Scoundrel apparently have very vivid and real hallucinations. I don't doubt either's story, because acid has been described in many very different ways to me by many very different people.

[Darryl Lict]

Originally Posted by hajario

Hey Now! I just noticed your location. I went to around 70 Dead shows back in the day. I haven't seen a concert by any of the surviving members in years and years but I'm going to the Bobby show in Ventura in a couple of weeks. A friend invited me. You going by any chance?

[Hijack]
I noticed that Ratdog was playing down at the Ventura Theater, but wasn't really planning on going. I went and saw The Others (I think that's what they called the band) down at the Ventura Fairgrounds shortly after Jerry died, but alas, it's really not the same, is it? Were you down at the fairgrounds when the Dead canceled after Jerry went into a diabetic coma? I suspect we've probably crossed paths.
[/Hijack]