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Old 01-24-2007, 05:39 PM
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Did Jesus ever mean for his apostles to preach to any non-Jews?

This is basically a question about Matthew 10:5-6.

"5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: ‘Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

#1) Basically, when did this change? According the gospels or Acts did Jesus ever say or do anything to imply something different?

#2) I keep reading on websites that Jesus sent Paul to preach among the Gentiles. Is this only according to Paul's vision of Jesus? I'm trying to find a verse somewhere when Paul's vision of Jesus says something like "Hey Paul, it's not really working with the Jews. Go try it with the Gentiles."

#3) Concerning the gospel of Matthew in general; Matthew was the only one who mentioned only preaching to the Jews, even though Matthew 10:6-15 is cross referenced in the other synoptic gospels (Mark 6:8-11 and Luke 9:2-5). Since its in all three, from what I understand, it's probably from the source Q. Why would Mark leave it out(the part about preaching only to the Jews), Matthew add it, and then Luke leave it out again? I don't know if this is really an answerable question but any speculation would be nice.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:52 PM
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Oh, I think he meant it to go to all people.

Check out Mark 11:17, when Jesus is reaming out the temple marketplace, "Is it not written, my house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations?"

And later on, in Mark 13:10 "And the gospel must first be preached to all nations."

And on the day of Pentecost, what would have been the point of the disciples being granted the gift of many languages for that day, if all the different peoples gathered for the festival weren't meant to understand?

Or Mark 16:15 "go to all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation"

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Old 01-24-2007, 05:57 PM
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Only one I know remotely anything about:

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#3) Concerning the gospel of Matthew in general; Matthew was the only one who mentioned only preaching to the Jews, even though Matthew 10:6-15 is cross referenced in the other synoptic gospels (Mark 6:8-11 and Luke 9:2-5). Since its in all three, from what I understand, it's probably from the source Q. Why would Mark leave it out(the part about preaching only to the Jews), Matthew add it, and then Luke leave it out again? I don't know if this is really an answerable question but any speculation would be nice.
Both Mark and Q are considered to be sources for Matthew and Luke. So, if that section was in Mark, one could conclude that Matthew and Luke cribbed it from there. (The existence of Q was deduced from text that occurs in both Matthew and Luke but not in Mark.)

And finally, the bit that's in Matthew but not in Mark was therefore added for some reason by the author of Matthew. His reason (or source) for the insertion can only be guessed at ...
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Old 01-24-2007, 06:15 PM
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#1) Basically, when did this change? According the gospels or Acts did Jesus ever say or do anything to imply something different?
Yes, several times after the resurrection.

Most explicitely:

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Originally Posted by Matthew 28:16
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
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Originally Posted by Mark 16:14
Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating... He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned....Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.
Also during his ministry before his death:

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4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. ....And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

The latter is less explicitely a command to preach to gentiles, however if Christians weren't going to be the ones preahcing to the gospel whole world then who?


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#2) I keep reading on websites that Jesus sent Paul to preach among the Gentiles. Is this only according to Paul's vision of Jesus?
Well yes, of course. Since Paul never saw Jesus except in visions how else could Jesus have sent Paul to preach among the gentiles? And of course nobody else saw Paul's visions so nobody else could confirm them.

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I'm trying to find a verse somewhere when Paul's vision of Jesus says something like "Hey Paul, it's not really working with the Jews. Go try it with the Gentiles."
Needless to say such a verse doesn't exists, since by the time that Paul had converted to Christianity all the Apostles and all the older converts were already well and truly engaged in preaching to gentiles (see Acts 11 for confirmation). Paul was instructed to preach the Gospel, there was no need to state yet again that Gentiles were to be included.

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Why would Mark leave it out(the part about preaching only to the Jews), Matthew add it, and then Luke leave it out again? I don't know if this is really an answerable question but any speculation would be nice.
Speaking factually, the gospels seem to be a later compilation of numerous earlier writings from diverse writers. They don't tally on numerous points of fact, such as who Joseph's father was or how Judas died. There a great many other points such as this one where one gsopel will include or omit a seemingly important point, or place it at a different time. For example the Gospels omit the account of the infant Jesus' flight and exile in Egypt, a seemingly important point of history.

In that context it isn't in any way remarkable that a command to preach only to Jews, which was later throroughly rescinded, was omitted form one or more Gospels.
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Old 01-24-2007, 07:33 PM
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#1) Basically, when did this change? According the gospels or Acts did Jesus ever say or do anything to imply something different?

#2) I keep reading on websites that Jesus sent Paul to preach among the Gentiles. Is this only according to Paul's vision of Jesus? I'm trying to find a verse somewhere when Paul's vision of Jesus says something like "Hey Paul, it's not really working with the Jews. Go try it with the Gentiles."
Not a vision of Jesus, but you may be thinking of Acts 13:45-47:
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When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and talked abusively against what Paul was saying.

Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. For this is what the Lord has commanded us:
" 'I have made you a light for the Gentiles,
that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' "
Cite.

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