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What's the origin of the "Zombie Apocalypse" concept in film/games/fiction/etc.?
A popular setting for horror fiction, movies, horror-themed games and the like is the ever-useful Zombie Apocalypse. In a zombie apocalypse, the world is unexpectedly overrun by swarms of the living dead, moaning, shambling zombies who go around eating the living.
Zombie Apocalypse fiction usually features a number of plucky survivors attempting to survive in a world full of hideous, cannibalistic ghouls. Many movies, usually named "(Noun) Of the Dead" have been made on this theme, and virtually every horror writer worth mentioning has written at least one story about a world filled with hungry zombies. There's even a book out now that serves as a how-to guide for dealing with hordes of flesh-eating corpses, featuring detailed instructions on constructing zombie-proof shelters, engaging in zombie elimination missions, and the like; if there is anything about dealing with homovorous undead, this guy thought of it. It's a weird book. Variations on the theme have also been employed, such as the film "28 Days Later," where instead of the walking dead, people were infected with a virus that turned them into mindless killing machines, but the jist of it was the same. I'm wondering where all this came from. Did someone just come up with the idea and then everyone else ran with it? |
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I believe it all stems from George Romero's original Night of the Living Dead. That established the whole genre, as far as I know.
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Yeah, I think before NOTLD zombies were the old voodoo types, and didn't eat human flesh.
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That book spawned two movies: The Last Man on Earth (1964) starring Vincent Price, and The Omega Man (1971) starring Charlton Heston. |
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Total guess here, but I would think the inspiration for it comes from the End Times, Book of Revelation, especially chapter 8-12, which mention zombie hordes.
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Oddly enough, just this very month in Reason Online there is an article We the Living Dead
The convoluted politics of zombie cinema exploring this very subject while reviewing three new books on the subject. Quote:
![]() A discussion of the leftist politics of most zombie movies is part of the deal. |
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Plus, from another point of view, zombies are rather an ideal opponent—they're human-ish, but not frighteningly strong or cunning, and you can't get in trouble (legally or ethically) for killing them because they're already dead.
By the same token, Nazi Zombies are an even better opponent. No one in the world in their right mind can fault you for killing them. |
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It was very cool when I saw it on late-night TV at the age of about 14. I'm sure that someone here has the name of the flick handy :-) |
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We have until 2112 to stop history from happening. Is the future already set, or is our fate mutable? Is there hope, or is each day just another step closer to the day of the dead? Either that or it was George Romero and Night Of The Living Dead. Last edited by DocCathode; 02-08-2007 at 09:53 PM. Reason: The truth must be told |
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Treehouse of Horror VIII has a take on it - Homer is in a bomb shelter when the French drop a neutron bomb on Springfield. Some of the Springfieldians survive as zombies, and chase Homer in a wierd car that sort of looks like the Beverly Hillbillies' truck on acid. Did the Simpson animators just make that up, or are they copying (excuse me, paying homage to) some well-known zombie movie?
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It wouldn't shock me if John Wyndham's 1951 novel Day of the Triffids had some influence on the early expressions of the genre, or at least drew on the same impulses. The threat is carnivorous, semi-sentient plants, but the setting's the same: most of the population's wiped out, and the few survivors have to face an overwhelming tide of shambling hordes keen on eating their flesh.
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The car IIRC is a reference to the car the Munsters drove. The "mutants" (they weren't zombies) were a reference to The Omega Man. In fact the name of the sketch was "The Homega Man". Last edited by msmith537; 02-08-2007 at 10:30 PM. |
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An early, admittedly imprecise literary precursor is H.G. Wells' The Time Machine, with its vision of a distant future in which humanity has [de-]volved into infantilized Eloi and the subterranean, clever, cannibalistic Morlocks who provide for them in order to feed on them.
The Morlocks aren't zombies: they're very much alive, and the engineers of their survival, but OTOH they're crude humanoids who emerge en masse from beneath the ground to feed on the living... and presumably their hygiene and appearances aren't much better than that of the average zack. |
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I've been thinking about this as well. This last month has been filled with Zombie-fun for me. I've ended up partaking in:
World War Z Kirkman's 'The Walking Dead' trade paperbacks Shaun of the Dead 28 Days Later For no particular reason, honestly. They've all just popped up on my radar at once. And of course that gets me thinking of why the zombie zeitgeist is so uniform in its style and symbolism. I get that it all roots to Romero but you'd think there'd be more variation in the genre by now. |
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A variation of the "Zombie Apocalypse" genre can be seen in Firefly and Serenity (moreso in Serenity), although the Reavers don't really quite fit the zombie mold.
Spoilers for Serenity, for those few unwashed who haven't seen it yet: SPOILER:
Oh, and I kinda want to see "I Am Legend", I've seen Will Smith do serious, and he can pull it off (he just usually doesn't try). I can't see HOW they'd give it a happy ending, at best, it might have an ambiguous "The Hero, or what passes for one in this film, has escaped with the girl to live another day" ending without any kind of resolution for him. |
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A better question is:
Why do we care? What is it about Zombies that captures this particular generation's attention? Why the screen-time for walking, rotting bodies? |
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So where do we get our excessive gratuitous violence? The Undead. I mean, it's either that or Galaga: The Movie. Sure, a zombie apocalypse is a cliche, but it's in a genre that thrives on cliches, at least for this generation of audience members. |
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Bevare! |
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"And the zombies all lived happily ever after." ? "And the movie made lots and lots of money." ? |
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That's funny because me and a friend were shoooting the breeze one day and we had an idea for a movie about Zombies, but not the George Romero Zombies, No these zombies would be just like regular people, and the fact that people wouldnn't stay dead was causing all sorts of problems with resources and there was also whatever -ism one could have against zombies (metabolism?). We actually saw it as a comedy.
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That, and in a zombie movie, unlike other action movies, social conventions have broken down. People are free to do whatever they can get away with - which, keeping in mind that the heroes are normal people, can be cool. You can watch a zombie movie and see yourself doing the same things, in a way. I think it's the combination of all of these - merciless violence, human interaction, everyday people outsmarting stronger foes, and the breakdown of social conventions in a "realistic", modern world that make the zombie genre so unique. If you're looking for those things, there's nowhere else to really turn. |
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Some part of me wants to interpert the Zombies as a symbol for something else.
But I honestly can't quite put my finger on what. |
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Last edited by NDP; 02-09-2007 at 12:43 PM. |
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How nice would it be to have all responsibility and accountability taken away for a while, your only goal to find and/or eat (brains)? Alternately, they can be viewed as an easily (one-on-one) beat-up bully, thereby fulfilling all of our inner 4th-grade geeks. -Cem |
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Zombie mutilation is cool because it satisfies our appetite for mayhem and destruction. Killing and mutilating humans = bad (for most people.) Killing and mutilating zombies = good. Good for them because you're hopefully putting them to rest, and good for the humans who are trying to survive.
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Look, I gotta go, can we continue this later? I'll meet you at the Winchester.
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I was Chanel surfing the other day and on one of the Spanish language channels there was a movie of Lucha Libre or Masked Wrestlers fighting zombies. It was called 'The Castel of ?" I wish I had seen the whole movie. It was really fun.
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The zombie horde is different. There's usually no supernatural background to it. The zombies are either the result of science gone awry, or are presented with no explanation at all. It brings us face-to-face with death without any comforting evidence that the universe is anything other than random and pitiless. It also presents death in a way few of us like to confront it. There's always something faintly ridiculous about zombies. They aren't sexy and cool, like a vampire, or mysterious and otherworldly like a ghost. The archetype of the zombie horde isn't a charming European aristocrat or a beautiful spectral woman. It's an overweight housewife with a pink teddy bear sweater and a gaping head wound. Like real death, being turned into a zombie robs you of your dignity, and turns you into something that is at once ridiculous and repulsive, like the pile of zombies trying to claw its way up the down escalator in Day of the Dead. This fusion is so effective that even movies that are supposed to be comedies, such as Shaun of the Dead, are still highly effective as zombie movies. The other potent cross-fertilization in this genre is the plague aspect: death as contagion. It's not enough that the zombies kill you, they turn you into one of them. And not through ritualistic seduction, like a vampire, but by random idiot chance. A superficial bite wound, often received during a moment of victory, and the sickness is in you. You're already "one of them," even though you're not dead yet. And then there's nothing you can do but wait until you turn on the rest of the survivors, or put a gun to your head and end it quickly. Lastly, there's the human commentary. The zombies aren't evil. They're a force of (un)nature, apocalyptically deadly, but wholly unmotivated by desire or intent. Essentially, a human-sized virus. But the destruction they entail creates a backdrop in which "normal" humans become monsters themselves. The naked confrontation with death inevitably brings out the basest reactions of the survivors. Faced with the total collapse of society, people quickly revert to the worst sorts of barbarism. Essentially, the zombie horde destroys you even if it never catches you, by revealing you to be an uncivilized animal who will violate any principle or ethic in order to survive. Although, like all monster movies, the zombie apocalypse film is ultimatly moralistic: the characters who most eagerly pursue their own survival over the common good of his fellow survivors, the more graphic his eventual demise at the hands of the zombies will be. |
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Anyhow, our heros are trying to escape from the offices, and just as they're about to make their escape, one of them sees one of the recurring bad guy characters near the head of the zombie horde. He runs up to the guy, slices the zombie lawyer's head with an axe (killing him for good), and then runs back to escape with his friends. His explanation? "I hate seeing someone I know like that. Even someone I know I hate." The fact that some of the zombie horde may very well be people you know, people you like or love, or even the asshole who took the last can of beats at the grocery store this morning, can have an affect on you by making them more individual and "real" and less "that indistinguishable mass of bad guys that we just hosed with the flamethrower". |
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Damn, that was a great post Miller! I am in awe.
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You were using perfume? To cover up the zombie stink, mayhap? |
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In a world gone mad with economic down turns, car bombings,WMD's, missing white women, rampant obesity, Anna Nicole's Unsurprising Death and Whose her baby's Daddy? I am thankful for the Real Issues of life like THIS being asked. This Magnificent Question is the kinda genius that keeps me subscribing to The Dope year after year. I bow to your greatness, sir. |
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And that film in turn sounds like it could've been very loosely inspired by Will Self's 1991 gently comic short story "The North London Book of the Dead," in which a forty-ish man discovers that his mother, though deceased and cremated, is enjoying an afterlife in a modest basement apartment in a rather dull neighborhood in Crouch End. These living dead are zombies, but they're perfectly ordinary -- even banal -- in their behavior. Their society is self-administering, with its own telephone book, real estate agents, and so on. A key difference between the short story and the film might be that Self's [un]dead aren't assimilationist, per se -- they're content to avoid their loved ones, live in unfamiliar neighborhoods to prevent their discovery, and not advertise their true nature. Last edited by The Scrivener; 02-09-2007 at 06:38 PM. Reason: spacing typos |
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[English version: The Invasion of the Zombies] http://www.wam.umd.edu/~dwilt/santozom.htm But more likely it was El Castillo de las Momias de Guanajuato http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0273144/ Regarding the "mummies" of Guanajuato: http://www.mummytombs.com/mummylocat...guanajuato.htm Quote:
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BTW if you have the time and the bandwidth, you can check the original White Zombie in Youtube, (warning: terrible sound quality) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z6j1Hhqbxk Last edited by GIGObuster; 02-09-2007 at 09:50 PM. |
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