Origins of comic portrayal: suddenly poor = wearing a barrel

It used to be a common visual clue – a guy wearing a barrel held up with shoulder straps was poor, usually suddenly and unexpectedly, and often previously rich. (Click here for a clip art pic).

(One of my favorite examples was in Spy magazine in the early 1990s when Donald Trump was undergoing financial problems: he wore a barrel, and Marla Maples wore a two-piece bikini barrel).

My question: was this purely a comic invention (and if so, whose?), or was a barrel ever used by people who couldn’t afford clothes?

I’m not sure as to the specific answer, but I would bet that the barrel didn’t originally indicate being unable to afford clothes, but rather having lost money in a bet. I.e. you walk into a poker game and by the end of the night you’re kicked out, rolling in a barrel. Most probably the barrel was chosen so as to aid the mental image of someone being kicked out and rolling away on the ground, disgracefully.

I’ve seen similar imagery in Japan, using a carpet to roll the person up rather than a barrel.

Here are a couple links to the same question at a column named ‘Stupid Questions’. The first link asks the question Straight-Dope-style and doesn’t offer much of an answer. The second link has the author revisiting the question and attributing it to newspaper cartoonist Will B. Johnstone from here. Oddly enough, the author then goes on to pontificate on the value his column in the internet age, extends that to all similar columns – including The Straight Dope in particular – and manages to squeeze out this line:

WAG: it may be connected to diogenes who believed in the virtues of poverty, and who was living in a barrel.

Worse, he says that Cecil Adams is just a pseudonym, and not a real person. :mad: Nyah nyah nyah! I can’t hear you!

Can’t help feeling there’s a touch of sour grapes in his comment there.

From the Edison catalog description of the short comic film The Interrupted Bathers (1902):

He also had the nerve to write:

And this comes from the same guy who produced the pseudo-answer in the first link you provided.

That’s the part that always puzzled me–you’d think a barrel would be more expensive than cheap clothes. Especially with those nifty shoulder straps.

WAG: Rain barrels were commoner in ye olde days, so it might not have been that hard to knock the head off and slink off wearing the barrel in lieu of any handy laundry lines to rob.

And… I’ve always understood it as being a) either too poor or b) unfortunately robbed. Both of which leave the unfortunate without a stitch to stand up in.

Yeah, me too. The main page has more to support that here.

Heheheh, so I suppose if we wrote and asked him about the origin of the phrase “blowing one’s own trumpet”, he would know all about then then? :smiley:

He sounds like a real barrel of laughs.

Add in that during the Great Depresion they took everything in the foreclosure sale. I think that period added much to the image of wearing a barrel, because they were said to have even taken the clothes off your back.

I know we’ve done this several times, but this thread is the one that comes up in our wonderful search engine.

Will B. Johnstone was indeed a famed newspaper cartoonist but he wrote a million plays for Broadway and thereby got to write for the Marx Brothers, which makes him immortal. A new book, Gimme a Thrill: The Story of I’ll Say She Is, the Lost Marx Brothers Musical and How It Was Found, by Noah Diamond, naturally has a chapter on I’ll Say She Is, written by Johnstone.

Diamond calls “the naked taxpayer in a barrel” his “signature creation.” If so, most of them are lost in old newspapers. I found a couple of crude examples online, hereand here.

The Edison film, The Interrupted Bathers, that Walloon cited is available on youtube. It packs a lot into its 46 seconds. Yes, the girls are swimming in a stream in their copious underclothing when the hoboes steal their outerwear. One walks off in a barrel. Where the barrel comes from is left to the viewer’s imagination.

So Johnstone would be a popularizer and not a creator of the image, although applying it to the skint taxpayer couldn’t happen until after the income tax. He may have invented that iconic image.

I don’t know about the rolling.

But I could see an illicit poker game happening in a bar. And said bar having empty beer barrels sitting about since that’s how all beer was delivered in Ye Olden Dayes. So if somebody “lost his shirt” (and pants) in a poker game at the bar a barrel would be readily available as emergency backup clothing. Ditto if he got mugged; the other common thing that happens to ingénues in and around such dens of iniquity.

This is all conjecture on my part. But it seems a plausible idea that some cartoonist might come up with that the contemporary audience would immediately understand.

Coopers used to exist in large numbers, just about everywhere - oak was cheap and the corrugated cardboard box had yet to be invented.

IOW: Barrels were used for packing just about everything.

Within recent memory:

Pickles
Nails (actually, these were “Kegs” - small barrels)
and yes, crackers (as in “Cracker Barrel”)

So, just as you used to go to the back of the grocery store for boxes (before recycling) when you moved, anybody could find junk barrels.

To update the image, use either a box or a plastic tub of some sort - things as common now as junked barrels were 100+ years ago.

(how many had to look up “cooper”?)

How much would a clothing-sized barrel weigh?

One of my favourite visual jokes- Wallace and Gromit

Wensleydale?
The “Bathers” reference reminds me of the joke about the Oxford students skinny-dipping in the river when a boatload of young ladies comes around the bend. Several of the men of course, cover their lower parts with their hands. one simply covers his face with his hands, and hangs out au naturel. Once the ladies are gone, they ask him why he did that. He responds “I don’t know about how you fellows are identified, but around here, I’m known by my face.”

I assume the barrel thing simply refers to the fact there was always a barrel lying around at the turn of the century. It would be the most convenient cover until cardboard boxes came along.

Not giving the average Doper very much credit at all, are we?