Sampiro, you need help.

[Klaatu]

Well Ruby, I hear ya, but I consider this board entertainment. I am genuinely sorry that some people who take it more seriously than I get ragged on for sincerely posting about personal stuff, and find solace here and get advice that may change their lives.

That being said, the shit will always be here, and if it irritates people that much, it might not be the right board to post about that stuff.

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by Klaatu

Well Ruby, I hear ya, but I consider this board entertainment. I am genuinely sorry that some people who take it more seriously than I get ragged on for sincerely posting about personal stuff, and find solace here and get advice that may change their lives.

Oh, no doubt. Remember, I'm the one who said anyone would be a fucking moron not to take $500 to stop posting here, and remember the ration of shit I got for that? Some people really do take it seriously, and it's important to them.

As for posting personal shit, well, it is a way to get a large number of opinions and POV's in a short amount of time, from people you wouldn't otherwise encounter. I find the wide variety of opinions interesting and sometimes quite enlightening. I think the benefits of posting outweigh the negatives, but you're right, it's important to keep perspective-- this is the World Wide Web, not a private club. People might be reading who aren't your friends. Caveat scriptor. Learned that the hard way, and that had nothing to do with the other place.

[Hostile Dialect]

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

OK, but that doesn't stop other people from reading it, and treating you differently here. It happens. That's what I don't like, when extraneous bullshit colors what goes on here. It's like middle school all over again, and it's fucking lame. Read the other board, enjoy it if you can, but keep the blood-brain barrier intact, ya know?

If the people who can't keep it intact didn't have the Snackpit, they'd just find some other stupid reason to judge you.

[Klaatu]

Well said. I give people shit in the Pit a lot. I like the flaming back and forth, guess it goes back to my usenet days. But I wouldn't even consider shitting on a MPSIMS thread about say kitty cats. Now if....never mind...

[CarnalK]

Originally Posted by Hostile Dialect

If the people who can't keep it intact didn't have the Snackpit, they'd just find some other stupid reason to judge you.

Are you being ironic? I haven't personally insult anyone in this thread or the other but I'm getting called the lowest form of scum by people like you because of what you read on the other sites.

[Hostile Dialect]

Originally Posted by CarnalK

Are you being ironic? I haven't personally insult anyone in this thread or the other but I'm getting called the lowest form of scum by people like you because of what you read on the other sites.

Hey, asshat, did I say "If CarnalK didn't have the Snackpit, he'd just find some other stupid reason to judge you?" I'm pretty sure I didn't, but I guess I ought to scroll up and find out for sure.

Nope, looks like I didn't even mention you. But everything is always about you, I guess.

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

*grabs popcorn*

It is all one can do when one arrives when the thread is already at page 4.

[CarnalK]

What? I was talking about you not being able to compartmentalize between what happens here and what happens "elsewhere". Read slower, use preview.

[wring]

gotta love the dope- where poster A pitting poster B over issue 1 can, in 4 short pages turn into poster X yelling at poster Y over issue 67 (c) squared

[Klaatu]

Originally Posted by CarnalK

Are you being ironic? I haven't personally insult anyone in this thread or the other but I'm getting called the lowest form of scum by people like you because of what you read on the other sites.

This goes back to what I said a few posts ago. Some fucking people take any board shit waay to seriously. Those people should post at "iwanteverybodytolikeandagreewithmewhileiwhine.com."

Personally dude, I think you are the Intergalactic Leader of Busting Balls of People who Think Their Shit Don't Stink, and I applaud you for it.

Right on.

[What Exit?]

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

Yeah, me too, and it wasn't all that long ago.

If it was the incident where he really pissed me off, I think it lasted longer than 20 minutes for both of us, and yet he didn't infuriate me as much as some posters in GD. One in particular leaves me too angry to be civil. Even when I was mad at Liberal, I think he will admit, I remained civil.

The poster I am avoiding mentioning argues in a seriously dishonest way and is way worse for this board than the other place could hope to be. I mean that place made an all out attempt to drive Evil Captor off and as far as I can see he is still around and posting.

The Sampiro blowup was nearly as much Sampiro's fault as the other place. Some snarkers pushed him while he was down, but he really over reacted in his grief.

When Sampiro returned, he actually lied about how much Excalibre had done and helped push Excalibre towards his banning. Not that many would shed a tear for that, but that was my read on it. When he was caught in his lie, he played it off badly, but it was glossed over as usual.

The pertinent threads were here , here & here .

Ironically, Sampiro in his anger and confusion first blamed CarnalK and then made a half-assed apology. CarnalK might even have some legit reason to dislike Sampiro.

Jim

[Hostile Dialect]

Originally Posted by CarnalK

What? I was talking about you not being able to compartmentalize between what happens here and what happens "elsewhere". Read slower, use preview.

The difference is in whether you judge Person C by what Person C said on Person C's website, or you judge Person C by what Person D said about Person C on Person E's website. If those sound the same to you, your issues may run deeper than a misunderstanding of the word "science".

Originally Posted by Klaatu

Personally dude, I think you are the Intergalactic Leader of Busting Balls of People who Think Their Shit Don't Stink, and I applaud you for it.

Yeah, lord knows Dopers don't get their balls busted anywhere else. It's a good thing our hero has come to save the day.

[Darth Nader]

Could y'all just stop talking about "someone" who did "something" and get right to it? What the fuck is the Big Secret?

[CarnalK]

Originally Posted by What Exit?

Ironically, Sampiro in his anger and confusion first blamed CarnalK and then made a half-assed apology. CarnalK might even have some legit reason to dislike Sampiro.

Jim

Well, I don't think his apology was half assed. I think it's likely that when I spiritedly defended the snarkpit in that thread I linked earlier, which is the only real argument I had with Sampiro before this, he might have taken that as cause to rescind his apologetic feelings, if not officially the apology. I don't know if my continued iteration that I don't hold a grudge and the searchable fact that I don't follow him around are sinking in; I just hope it doesn't have to be World War 3 the next time I accidentally throw a comment his way.


And thanks, Klaatu, for "getting" me. Power to the people. That's all I been tryin' to say...

[Rilchiam]

Originally Posted by What Exit?

The Sampiro blowup was nearly as much Sampiro's fault as the other place. Some snarkers pushed him while he was down, but he really over reacted in his grief.

I said this yesterday: overreacting is Sampiro's middle name. So many more people like him -- love him, even -- than dislike him. But let just one person make one snarky comment, and he goes off the rails. Repeatedly says "I don't care what you think, and I'm going to keep saying so for seven posts." So many supporters, and yet such a thin skin. I wonder why he can't just be secure in the knowledge that he's an SDMB icon.

[lobstermobster]

Originally Posted by Darth Nader

Could y'all just stop talking about "someone" who did "something" and get right to it? What the fuck is the Big Secret?

i hate all of you guys so very much

eta: isn't festivus right around now? can we just have a huge airing of grievances?

[Klaatu]

Originally Posted by Hostile Dialect

snip

Yeah, lord knows Dopers don't get their balls busted anywhere else. It's a good thing our hero has come to save the day.

I really don't give a shit if Dopers get their balls busted anywhere else. This is the fantasy Intarwebs. To me, all of you are just words on a screen.

For people who have IRL interactions, thats your problem/success story. I don't know any of you people and never will.

What is your point?

[Hostile Dialect]

Originally Posted by Klaatu

I really don't give a shit if Dopers get their balls busted anywhere else. This is the fantasy Intarwebs. To me, all of you are just words on a screen.

For people who have IRL interactions, thats your problem/success story. I don't know any of you people and never will.

What is your point?

I wasn't talking about IRL, Senator.

[Vinyl Turnip]

Originally Posted by Rilchiam

So many supporters, and yet such a thin skin. I wonder why he can't just be secure in the knowledge that he's an SDMB icon.

Heavy hangs the head that wears the tiara.

[kaylasdad99]

Originally Posted by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies

*grabs popcorn*

It is all one can do when one arrives when the thread is already at page 4.

We haven't been allowed to do popcorn in the Pit for quite a few years, you know.

Not to be a Junior Mod, or anything...


May I have a cookie?

[Klaatu]

Originally Posted by Hostile Dialect

I wasn't talking about IRL, Senator.

And I'm no Jack Kennedy either. What?

[Hostile Dialect]

I agree with my.....ah, fuck it.

[Sapo]

Originally Posted by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies

*grabs popcorn*

It is all one can do when one arrives when the thread is already at page 4.

Hey, I am the OP and I am mostly on popcorn mode myself. I don't even understand about a quarter of the posts here.

[Sapo]

Originally Posted by kaylasdad99

I've got only a very shaky grasp on the whole snarkpit phenomenon (and I don't have much interest in becoming more knowledgeable about it), but I'm a little bemused by Sapo referring to it as a "sister" site to the SDMB. Wouldn't that tend to imply a somewhat more convivial relationship?

I thought I saw a bit of bristling when Sapo brought it up in the OP, but not so much following his two subsequent assertions. It made me wonder if he was trolling for a negative reaction, or if he really does see the two sites as metaphorical siblings.

Anyway, is there even any consensus on what is implied by the term "sister site", or "sister board"? I can easily think of OpalKat's Fathom board as a "sister" board; the other, not so much.

Not trolling. There is clearly a blood relationship between the two boards. I mean, it is the same people talking about the same things. The rules here leave a gap of things that must remain unsaid, and that place fills that gap.

On second thought, it may be more of a daughter board than a sister board. That place would not exist without this one, after all, and the opposite is clearly not true.

Or isn't it?. Would the SDMB hold together without that vent? Who knows? After all, TPTB at some point decided that the BBQ Pit was needed to release the pressure from the civility of the other sections. Think of the snarkpit of a level 2 safety valve.

The animosity between the two places is not too different from that between all sisters. If you have a younger sib, who your parents always gave a longer leash, you will relate to the feeling.

[Sapo]

Originally Posted by Starving Artist

I hope this isn't a no-no, but I gotta say I've smiled, chuckled and laughed out loud more at the stuff I've read over there than I ever have here. And it's not the insults directed at Dopers that are so funny, it's the way they gig each other. Those are some funny sumbitches over there!


And FWIW, the random insult guy is my favorite.

Not to make this a Dora ending, but my favourite part is how they all call each other nonny, so it sounds like the ramblings of a single fractured mind, rather than a dialogue among several people. The content is crap, it is the delivery that gets me.

[Starving Artist]

Originally Posted by Sapo

The content is crap, it is the delivery that gets me.

Yep, same here.

[Abby_Emma_Sasha]

I admit I haven't read a lot of the previous clues so I guess ... Uh what was the problem? Oh, Sampiro Yeah, I like him. Man, his colorful stories pale in comparison to mine. I thought my relatives were wacky, but his, oh boy, let's go.

[Bosstone]

Originally Posted by Sapo

The animosity between the two places is not too different from that between all sisters. If you have a younger sib, who your parents always gave a longer leash, you will relate to the feeling.

I'm going to guess that you don't really have an idea of what sister means when used to describe non-living things. 'The other board', from everything I've seen and heard, intends no kind of good will or anything other than mean-spirited commentary to this board, and this board doesn't even officially recognize that one. Fathom is what you might consider to be a sister board to the SDMB. People whose entire entertainment comes from insulting others in nasty ways don't really deserve the kind of legitimacy you seem to want to give them.

[What Exit?]

Originally Posted by Bosstone

I'm going to guess that you don't really have an idea of what sister means when used to describe non-living things. 'The other board', from everything I've seen and heard, intends no kind of good will or anything other than mean-spirited commentary to this board, and this board doesn't even officially recognize that one. Fathom is what you might consider to be a sister board to the SDMB. People whose entire entertainment comes from insulting others in nasty ways don't really deserve the kind of legitimacy you seem to want to give them.

Maybe Sapo was confusing the words sister and stalker?

[Alessan]

Originally Posted by Bosstone

I'm going to guess that you don't really have an idea of what sister means when used to describe non-living things. 'The other board', from everything I've seen and heard, intends no kind of good will or anything other than mean-spirited commentary to this board, and this board doesn't even officially recognize that one.

In other words, less like sisters and more like Israel and the Hamas.

[Lord Ashtar]

...

[Knowed Out]

Originally Posted by Bryan Ekers

And normally Sampiro is very good at it, when he's talking about his mother or sister or other eccentrics in his life, from the perspective of the relatively sane observer trying not to get sucked into their insanity. This most recent effort has an air of "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT HOW IRREPRESSIBLY WILD AND CRAZY I AM! WATCH AS I RANT CRAZILY (while making sure to run spell-check before posting), LOOK! LOOK! LOOK!" which is a huge turn-off.

Any rant is going to have an attention whore aspect to it. That's because personal issues activate on a more profound level. Sam would rant better about his family and friends than he would about the Middle East situation, I would think, because he has level one-to-two involvement.

A rant that focused solely on Rick's situation would be just a pity party. No entertainment value. Brain cancer isn't funny. But by using himself as a focus, Sam adds dimension and humor to the situation.

It's all a matter of individual taste, of course. Not everybody's a sicko like me.

[saoirse]

Originally Posted by What Exit?

When Sampiro returned, he actually lied about how much Excalibre had done and helped push Excalibre towards his banning. Not that many would shed a tear for that, but that was my read on it. When he was caught in his lie, he played it off badly, but it was glossed over as usual.

Just a minor point: Excalibre was banned for trying to log in as someone else using the wrong password, in the mistaken belief that this would lock up the poster's account for an extended period of time.

[lisacurl]

Originally Posted by Sapo

On second thought, it may be more of a daughter board than a sister board. That place would not exist without this one, after all, and the opposite is clearly not true.

If that daughter is Christina Crawford or Barbara Davis Hyman, maybe.

[Zabali_Clawbane]

Originally Posted by Knowed Out

<snip>But by using himself as a focus, Sam adds dimension and humor to the situation.

It's all a matter of individual taste, of course. Not everybody's a sicko like me.

I like the way he "whistles in the dark" myself. Humor is often a more positive coping mechanism, IMO.

[What Exit?]

Originally Posted by saoirse

Just a minor point: Excalibre was banned for trying to log in as someone else using the wrong password, in the mistaken belief that this would lock up the poster's account for an extended period of time.

That is true from what I have heard, but I said, "helped push Excalibre towards his banning". I did not say Excalibre got banned due to Sampiro.

[jayjay]

Originally Posted by What Exit?

That is true from what I have heard, but I said, "helped push Excalibre towards his banning". I did not say Excalibre got banned due to Sampiro.

Unless Sampiro was standing behind him with a gun to his head ordering him to try the account hijack, he wasn't pushing him toward anything.

[Sapo]

Originally Posted by What Exit?

Maybe Sapo was confusing the words sister and stalker?

Two syllabes, start with s-, end in -er. Cut me some slack. English is not my first language.

[What Exit?]

Originally Posted by jayjay

Unless Sampiro was standing behind him with a gun to his head ordering him to try the account hijack, he wasn't pushing him toward anything.

There is more to the story, including the suspension that Excalibre barely bother to come back from that was partially Sampiro related IRC. The final act, if it was as said, was just dumb or his way of getting himself banned for good.

I believe Excalibre express some distaste with the grief he took over Sampiro first falsely accusing him and then getting him some sort of trouble for something that did happen off the board that Sampiro effectively and foolishly dared him to do.

The whole mess was ugly; I am just trying to point out that Sampiro is in no way the guiltless in what happened. I could cite more of this, but I won’t as the cite would be in the form of emails that Excalibre angrily fired off to me when I accepted the Sampiro version of the truth. I feel to this day that Sampiro mislead the board about what actually happened until he was called on it. Kind of a shitty thing to do, he got away with it as he is a beloved poster and few seemed to like Excalibre.

You can believe what you want, and I can understand forgiving Sampiro his indiscretion, but lets not white wash the whole incident.

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Sapo, hey no problem , I was even going to mention the English as a second language part, but I was embarrassed to as you write better than I do.

Jim

[Sampiro]

Originally Posted by What Exit?

I believe Excalibre express some distaste with the grief he took over Sampiro first falsely accusing him and then getting him some sort of trouble for something that did happen off the board that Sampiro effectively and foolishly dared him to do.

Okay, I'd intended to sit this thread out, but as my integrity means more to me than what others think of my sanity I can't sit silently and be called a liar.

I never falsely accused Excalibre of a motherfucking thing. I said that somebody claiming to be Excalibre (I could not have been clearer on the disclaimer) sent me harassing emails. I NEVER SAID it was Excalibre. (At the time there was a fake Diogenes and a fake Tubadiva operating over there as well.)

I did not/do not know if it was him or not (I think now it was probably not but wouldn't be surprised either way as, imho, that guy is a total psycho far worse in reality than anything I've been accused of). I stated that he posted my information over there- which is true- and that I supplied him with the information- which is tru and which was not only stupid on my part but which I admitted was stupid on my part and for that I take full responsibility now and I have taken full responsibility for in the past- got it? Shitty thing to do on his part/stupid thing to do on mine/this isn't the first time I've said that.

If I'm lying about this then it should be really goddamned easy to prove, and as my accuser I call upon you to submit proof, or else admit that you have libelled me.

[Sampiro]

PS- I feel strongly enough about this that I make the following offer:

If you can show me where I've lied I will never post here again. If you cannot show me where I've lied, you should never post here again, and if you cannot show proof and do not apologize I will make a complaint to the mods that you've libelled me.

[ThatDuckIsEvil]

I just wanted to put my .02 in and say that I thoroughly enjoyed that friend with cancer outrage thread. A 5-post OP is a rarity, but an entertaining one? Genius. I laughed. I learned.

Sampiro you are one of the most entertaining contributors here. I didn't want to say anything in that thread because it turned into a big ol bicker fest. So I'll say it here, in your Pitting. {{{hugs}}}

[What Exit?]

Originally Posted by Sampiro

PS- I feel strongly enough about this that I make the following offer:

If you can show me where I've lied I will never post here again. If you cannot show me where I've lied, you should never post here again, and if you cannot show proof and do not apologize I will make a complaint to the mods that you've libelled me.

Wow, you really are a drama queen this week aren't you.

WTF, someone is openly challenging you in the pit so you are going to take your ball and go home?

Even if I take the time later and show the pattern of minor deceit, I believe you engaged in at the time. This should in no way force you to leave the board. As far as the mods, report me now if you like. That is your way I am beginning to see.

I have never given you a moment’s hassle before. I am not a snarker. I had my own issues with Excalibre. However, you are a real pissy piece of work.

You were leading the board at first to think that Excalibre was leading an assault against you and posted info about you. That sucked, but once it was exposed that you provided the info, it made you look like a moron. You did not mention that little tidbit until someone else did.

It will of course take some mod action for where you were most attacking Excalibre, those threads appear to be gone. You won, you got your wish, he is gone, and he committed SDMB suicide apparently in the end. However, you led people to believe that Excalibre poster your info just to spite you. I call that a lie.

BTW: you already admitted to be caught in a different lie in the first thread I linked. So why so upset over your honor.

Jim

[saoirse]

Originally Posted by Sampiro

PS- I feel strongly enough about this that I make the following offer:

If you can show me where I've lied I will never post here again. If you cannot show me where I've lied, you should never post here again, and if you cannot show proof and do not apologize I will make a complaint to the mods that you've libelled me.

I think this is a little over the top. It doesn't lend credibility to what you're saying, it only makes it look like you enjoy gambling. This is just drama for its own sake.

Note to Mod Defenders: This is the post to link to, when one of them gets pitted.

[Nzinga, Seated]

Sampiro, I haven't followed this thread or the one that prompted it. TCCC.*

But I hope you aren't going to take your unique storytelling charm away from the board. That would really be a loss. Even if you know you are right, it makes me sick to see you even putting the posibility of your absence on the table.

*TCCC = Too Complicated, Couldn't Comprehend. Yep. Made that up.

[Sampiro]

Originally Posted by What Exit?

Even if I take the time later and show the pattern of minor deceit

Patter of minor deceit? Moving the goalposts a tad aren't we? This is what you said- no emphasis and no changes

Originally Posted by What Exit?

When Sampiro returned, he actually lied about how much Excalibre had done and helped push Excalibre towards his banning

That's NOT saying I have a "pattern of minor deceit", you said I fucking lied and libelled somebody and even used it to get them banned (which I had nothing the fuck to do with).

I have never given you a moment’s hassle before.

Other than when you called me a liar who used libel to ban another Doper just now you mean? I'll take your word for it.

However, you are a real pissy piece of work.

When my personal honor is challenged and I'm accused of an act for which there are ethical and legal ramifications, you're goddamned right I am. I am a "KING KONG AT OKTOBERFEST waiting in a 5 mile line for the portapotty" pissy motherfucker.

Now either I lied about him and got him banned or I didn't and either way should be easy enough to prove. The onus is on you and if you don't prove it then you stand a liar before all Dopers, so prove it or apologize. I have thrown the glove- to start what I hope will become a board phrase, "We talkin' Weehawken, bitch" so get your second and point your boat towards Jersey. You've libelled me, I want proof or an apology, and if you don't give one or the other then you are exposed as a coward and a liar to this board.


On the subject of personal honor:
CarnalK: thank you for saying my apology wasn't half assed, because it wasn't. That was, and I am sincere, a very honorable comment to make and I respect you for making it. (Please know I have no delusions over the meaning of my respect in your life, but I am sincere.)

[wring]

legal ramifications?

I realize that one can be upset about some one accusing you on a message board of stuff to get some one banned from a message board, but

legal ramifications?

[What Exit?]

Originally Posted by Sampiro

Patter of minor deceit? Moving the goalposts a tad aren't we? This is what you said- no emphasis and no changes

That's NOT saying I have a "pattern of minor deceit", you said I fucking lied and libelled somebody and even used it to get them banned (which I had nothing the fuck to do with).

Other than when you called me a liar who used libel to ban another Doper just now you mean? I'll take your word for it.

When my personal honor is challenged and I'm accused of an act for which there are ethical and legal ramifications, you're goddamned right I am. I am a "KING KONG AT OKTOBERFEST waiting in a 5 mile line for the portapotty" pissy motherfucker.

Now either I lied about him and got him banned or I didn't and either way should be easy enough to prove. The onus is on you and if you don't prove it then you stand a liar before all Dopers, so prove it or apologize. I have thrown the glove- to start what I hope will become a board phrase, "We talkin' Weehawken, bitch" so get your second and point your boat towards Jersey. You've libelled me, I want proof or an apology, and if you don't give one or the other then you are exposed as a coward and a liar to this board.

So you want to duel over this, nice joke you jerk.

I will see if I can accomodate your request to show how you were misleading the board about Excalibre until you got called on part of it. Nice of you to take this immediately to the nuclear level.

Whether I fail and apologize or succeed. I hope you don't leave.

In all your verbosity and hyperbole, perhaps you will explain this honor thing a little, from my first link you have admitted to being caught in a lie before and still flew off the handle about it.

Jim

[DiosaBellissima]

Oh, for God's sake: it's a fucking message board. Stop caring so much what other people- complete and total strangers, no less- think of you.

The very fact that you would suggest there are legal ramifications for a stranger on a message board online because they assaulted your honor says more about your confidence in your honor than anything What Exit? could have said.

[TubaDiva]

Sounds like everybody needs a time out here, this is getting out of hand.

Don't any of you have Christmas shopping or snow to shovel or chestnuts to roast on an open fire?

Take a break.