Is this True? Baby in the Microwave????

[kellibelli]

I heard on the radio they found a dead one month old baby in the microwave (I am gonna puke) and it was ON!

This was supposedly in Virginia...

Anyone hear about this?

[Atrael]

Yeah Kelli, that's true...I haven't heard any more infor (I'm at work)...but on the way in, they were talking about it....(yes, it's in Virginia....in the Hampton Roads area)

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[andros]

Oh, by Marduk's twin Phalluses. I hope to HELL you're just trolling, Kelli.

-andros-

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[kellibelli]

I wish I was Andros...I really wish I was.

I just found the story at abcnews.com.

Fuck.

[manhattan]

Maybe this will cheer y'all up, from the same site:

Boy, 6, Found Alive in Taiwan Quake Ruins


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[Persephone]

Oh man. I saw this thread title and was all prepared to quote Brunvand. Then I checked abcnews.com. Now I'm freaked. Totally freaked.

[andros]

(a bit stunned)

Christ, what's next? Somebody with only one kidney and a fresh scar is gonna hold a press conference?

Honestly, I'm only surprised that this is the first documented case.

-andros-

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[Sealemon88]

Oh my God.

What the hell is happening with us? It's bad enough we have psycho's having temper tantrum with bullets, now THIS?

I was all set to refer kelli to the urban legend of "The dog in the microwave"...I cannot believe this.

It seems like every other month I hear about somebody leaving their child in a car, or somebody abandoning a baby in a dumpster.

But this? This is Evil, in it's purest sense.

Jesus, I don't know what to say.

[Satan]

Tastes just like chicken...

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm just as horrified as the rest of you. Really...

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[threemae]

Perhaps I am alone in my opinion here, but it seems to me like the mechanism of death is not in reality what makes any death that much better or worse, although I concede that it would suck to have pain being your last memory. I do not understand why people are so horrified by the death of an infant in a microwave who probably was not even cognizant of his situation when thousands of other children die every year, many of them conscious right before their death. Perhaps I have not seen the SPMB after another similar event and can not fairly compare this event ot others.

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[Diane]

[quote]Perhaps I am alone in my opinion here, but it seems to me like the mechanism of death is not in reality what makes any death that much better or worse, although I concede that it would suck to have pain being your last memory. I do not understand why people are so horrified by the death of an infant in a microwave who probably was not even cognizant of his situation when thousands of other children die every year, many of them conscious right before their death. Perhaps I have not seen the SPMB after another similar event and can not fairly compare this event ot others.[/quote}

WHAT?!?!?! You're joking, right?

You don't think this baby was in horrendous pain as he was being cooked from the insides?

We should not be horrified because thousands of other children die every year?

I just read your post for the fifth time and I still can't fathom your reasoning.


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[Prairie Rose]

(sobbing hysterically).

Going to hug Christopher now, for a long time, until the tears stop. I started reading this thread because I thought it was an urban legends type thread.

Prairie Rose

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[AuraSeer]

The body was found in the microwave. This does not mean that the microwave is what killed the child.

It might have been shaken, or smothered, or poisoned, or any of the other dozen ways that babies have been murdered before. The microwave may have just seemed like a good way to start destroying evidence. So before everyone starts assuming that the kid was in "horrendous pain", let's please wait for them to find out the actual cause of death.

I agree that it was a pretty sick thing to do in any case, but there are plenty of horrifying stories on the news every night. I don't see why this is so much worse than all the other disgusting acts that humans have performed over the past few thousand years.

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[tracer]

Diane wrote:

You don't think this baby was in horrendous pain as he was being cooked from the insides?

Actually, now that I think about it (yich) some ... no, I don't think the baby was in that much pain. Or at least, (s)he wouldn't have been in pain for very long.

The microwave radiation in microwave ovens is tuned to the resonant frequency of water molecules. In other words, water will be heated directly, and neighboring materials will be heated indirectly by being in hot water, so to speak.

And given the tissue distribution in the average infant, a great deal of water would have been stored in ... the baby's brain.

The brain would've heated to the point of failure very, very early into the cooking process. More than likely, the baby would've died of brain damage long before its guts started to bubble.


In fact ... if you could target JUST the brain with a microwave heating device, you could probably put someone to death painlessly. Heck, this might even be the next big fad to replace Lethal Injection on death row....

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[Diane]

Auraseer - You're right. Maybe we are all jumping to conclusions that the baby was actually killed by the microwave. The article didn't say.

God, I hope that this baby died painlessly and was only hidden in the oven.

Tracer - If this baby did die in the microwave, I hope what you say is true (I haven't a clue). I just have this image in my head of what that little body must have looked like.


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[Gr8Kat]

I'm sure a big part of the horror is the mental image of someone popping a human infant into a microwave with all the regard one would pay a bag of popcorn or a mini-pizza.

Plus, when I was in school, no tale of a baby or dog in a microwave was complete without the subject either exploding or being consumed in the end.

It is just so horrible to contemplate anything remotely like this happening in real life. And to imagine the father (if he's as innocent as the story makes him sound) searching frantically for his child, oblivious to the microwave humming away in the kitchen, and the guilty party most likely right there in the house not saying anything! How horrifying!

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[matt_mcl]

It doesn't stop being an urban legend if someone tries it, as The Man tells us.

The folks at Snopes must be having a hard time; they have to document this fo rthe urban legends page. I remember how broken up the writer was talking about the Halloween of 1982 for the Halloween candy poisoning legend.

Damn it. Damn it I will not cry in the school computer lounge.

Excuse me I have to put my fist through a wall in rage.

[Persephone]

I'm sure a big part of the horror is the mental image of someone popping a human infant into a microwave with all the regard one would pay a bag of popcorn or a mini-pizza.

Yes. That's it. I mean, I get upset when my 2-year-old falls down & skins her knees. The thought of what must have happened to that baby physically, whether it was alive or not when it was placed in the microwave, is beyond the scope of my imagination. I am going to assume that the fact that I can't imagine it is a defense mechanism, and be very, very glad that there are just some things that my brain cannot comprehend.

[Mojo]

Its hard to say this without coming off like a jaded, cynical asshole but even if the child was killed in the microwave it is just as bad as any other deliberate child murder. Is it more sensationalistic? Absolutely. Am I outraged? You bet. But the thought that "gee, the killer only stuffed the kid in the microwave AFTER they killed him/her makes it more tolerable" doesn't fly by me. I think the killer should be used for medical research regardless of how they did it.

And the forum this was posted to is very inappropriate.

[OldBroad]

IMHO Threemae, the revulsion expressed here is not as much directed at the death of an infant, but at the thought of the circumstances.

This appears to be murder of one's own child - a relative newborn (4 weeks IIRC) - helpless and absolutely at the mercy of people who would normally be expected to provide love and protection. This is sub-human behavior.

However this child died, the circumstances are abhorent.

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[Sycorax]

Yes, it's horrifying alright and makes you wonder if there's any hope for humanity. I just read about it in the Washington Post, and it also reported that the baby had burns consistent with those you'd receive from microwaves. What got me was at the end of the article, it reported that authorities wouldn't say if it was "suspicious" or if foul play was involved and they're still investigating. They don't know if foul play was involved?

A number of deaths of military personnel can be attributed to microwave radiation from unshielded radar sets. This was particularly common in WW2 , when the idea that an invisible force could kill you seemed pretty strange. For the record, these personnel (mostly Navy techs) were found at their worksites, near the opened shielding of the running radar sets, with tools in hand. Allegedly, these individuals went unconscious after a very brief exposure.

The child, therefore, probably didn't suffer; at least not for long.

How did Man get so dark inside? Alas, Man has always had an infinte capacity for evil. As one cop put it-"There is no bottom to human evil."
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[andros]

Mojo--I'm sure the choice of venue was NOT intended as a joke, OK? It just happens to be a place where people can scream and yell "FUCK" with some impunity.

However . . . three people were murdered a couple nights ago in my town. One of them was a child. No microwave, no headlines, no sobbing from anyone but their family.

I hope nobody here is just now realizing that the world is a shitty place.

-andros-

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[Gr8Kat]

Baby in microwave story

How horrifying! This story makes it look like the father didn't know what was going on, he called the police because the baby was missing and it was found in the microwave after they arrived. And a friend is quoted as saying the baby was his pride and joy. But it doesn't say anything about the reactions of baby's mother or the father's sister (who's also living with them). I wonder if someone else in the household was jealous of the baby? Still, I can't comprehend how anyone could be compelled to do such a thing.

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[kellibelli]

I truly cant imagine a worse way to die...

Why didnt they hear the baby screaming?
It had to be screaming....

I bet this is drug related....if a parent wants to get rib of a baby that age, they use a pillow, or shake it, the microwave thing smacks of revenge to me.

God this is sad.I would loose my mind.The death is bad enough, but to die like that...

[Lioness]

Thats it, I resign from the human race as of now !!!! How can anyone do something so horrible to a baby ?

I too was hoping this couldn't be a true story. That maybe it was just one of those really sick jokes people tell and Kelli wanted to know if it had a basis in fact.

I think I'll go be sick now, and then hug my cub.

A very sad,
Lioness

[kellibelli]

I remembered an urban legend from my childhood about a babysitter on acid who put the roast in the crib and the baby in the oven....I too hoped it was not true.

I secon that thought Lioness...I think I will take my cubs out for ice cream tonight and let them stay up really late...hell, they can stay up all night if they want! Then they can sleep with me, and I can hug the tar outta them.


Please dont let it be the mother who did this horrible thing.

[ChrisCTP]

:::head hung in grief:::

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[BoBettie]

Oh, the fucking humanity...
I wanna move up to a big remote mountain and never see another human again. Ever. This is the worst thing I've probobly ever heard.

[kellibelli]

Thanks andros....
Y'know, I would have given anything for aflame like this:

You dumb bitch, that never happened, just a U.L., and people wouldnt really do that, etc.

I bet the police are worried someone will try to lynch the killer....thats why they wont say who they suspect or anything......this made the headlines in Bumfuck Nowhere Canada....there must be pretty high exposuer...a la Jon Benet Ramsay.

Wanna bet they fuck this up too?

I cant stop hearing the baby crying in the microwave. I can almost see it in my head.
Something like this cant be explained, or understood.Not by me anyway.

sorry I made you cry Prarie Rose

[Seraphim]

tracer said:

The microwave radiation in microwave ovens is tuned to the resonant frequency of
water molecules. In other words, water will be heated directly, and neighboring materials will be heated indirectly by being in hot water, so to speak.

Wrong...most microwaves are tuned to a frequency of 2.45 GHz, which isn't anywhere near the resonant frequency of water--a good thing too, because if it WAS then all of the energy would be absorbed in the outermost shell of the food, turning it to a crisp long before the insides receive any heat.

This isn't going to make anyone feel better, but it's a common myth that microwave ovens cook things from the insides out. They don't--instead, the energy is absorbed by the outer layers of the food, which transfers the heat inwards.

One of the measurements of electromagnetic waves is "penetration depth," which is how far into a material the wave penetrates. In the case of meat, the penetration depth at microwave frequencies is about 2 cm (I'm going from memory, so don't quote me on this). What this mean is that the outer 2 cm layer gets all the energy, and transfers it towards the center in the form of thermal energy.

In other words, if it wasn't already dead, that baby most likely did suffer before the heat penetrated deep enough to cause brain death.

I hope beyond words that the killer was using it to destroy evidence rather than as the tool for murder.

[ChiefScott]

And now for something completely insensitive....

Says kelli -- "...if a parent wants to get rib of a baby..."
Don't forget to slather on the B-B-Q sauce.

Hmm... Do kids plump when you cook 'em?

What's for dinner? "Pete" loaf?

Was the George Foreman grill broken?

My baloney has a first name, its P-E-T-E-Y;
My baloney has a secnd name...

His sister's for desert. She died in the freezer.

Baby -- the other white meat.

Now if mom had just used a nice raisin stuffing too...

"Infant under glass"?
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Boy, have I got some issues.

[ChiefScott]

Sometimes you gotta laugh.
Or else you end up crying all the time.

[Monty]

And an article in the Washington Post posits that "the killer" may have been in a state of epileptic seizure and didn't know what was happening at all.

When this goes to trial, it'll be watched more closely than the OJ fiasco, if such a thing's possible.

[WallyM7]

Kelli, I don't believe it, I won't believe it, I can't believe it. I'm in denial mode.

The very thought of it fills me with revulsion.

Can a human being be capable of such a deed? It boggles the mind.

It also severely tests my stand against capital punishment.

[Sam Stone]

Here in Canada, a couple was charged with the murder of their infant a couple of years ago. The means of death was suffocation.

The details were nothing less than horrifying. It turned out that these people didn't really want the new baby, so they would gather the entire family around every night(two other young children, I think) and play a game of 'blue baby'. This game involved putting a plastic bag on the baby's head until it turned blue in the face, then spinning it on the floor like a game of spin-the-bottle. The baby died during one of many episodes of this 'game'.

There are many sick people in the world.

[Satan]

ChiefScott:

You're going straight to hell.

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[ChiefScott]

Save me a room w/a view.

[Rysdad]

Until a few moments ago, I was arguing with my son about his homework.

Oh, he's still gonna do it. But he probably won't understand the hugging he's gonna get afterwards.

[No Me Ayudes Compadre]

Update is here

(I hope that HTML coding works here)

[kellibelli]

Oh, well that explains it all.
She is an epileptic...so she is not responsible.

We will now need to remove all the children in the homes of epileptics as they are obviously in grave danger.

dhanson....I dont believe you.I dont!

[Persephone]

Kellibelli: My husband had the same reaction when I told him about the epilepsy angle. I had to show him the article before he'd believe me. I'm epileptic too, but that kind of confusion doesn't happen to me after I have seizures. It is common, though. I'm just lucky. I do get confused after seizures, but not for that legth of time. A minute or two, at most.

I hope that her seizure disorder had something to do with this, I really do. The one thing I do [not want to believe is that this was deliberate, premeditated murder.

[Diane]

There are many degrees and variations of epilepsy. Yes, some seizures can and do make a person completely unaware of things they are doing. Epilepsy is still very misunderstood.

I know a woman who walked through a glass sliding door, into her neighbor’s backyard, and laid down in the neighbors flower bed. She was oblivious to the many cuts on her body and the blood all over her clothing. She ended up having quite a few stitches and doesn’t remember a thing.

This same woman has moved furniture in her home without knowing. Completely rearranged the living room, moved the bed into the kitchen, moved all of her dished into the basement.

The worse episode was the time she woke up in her bed, naked, numb (in some parts of her body), and in horrendous pain. She had gone into a seizure, filled the bathtub with scalding water and then lay inside the water long enough to cover her left arm, left torso, and left thigh with 2nd and 3rd degree burns. That was 6 years ago and she is still having reparative surgery, skin transplants, therapy for her arm and reconstruction of her left breast.

For the most part, she lives a normal life with medication, but after a period of time, her medication needs to be adjusted. Sometimes these seizures come without warning.

It doesn’t make this sick feeling any better, but it does help to know that this baby may have been killed accidentally. If the epilepsy theory proves to be true, I can’t imagine the horror the mother must be going through.


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[kellibelli]

*holding my head*

Jesus H Christ!

the lady with the bathtub...does she have kids? oh god...scalds hurt more than anything on earth, she didnt feel it?????

I am gonna be sick. You guys really think her epilepsy could have caused this?
if that is the case...how will she go on?

I cant think anymore about this right now, I am very disturbed by the thought she might have really done it accidentaly, jesus.
I would kill myself, I couldnt live with that.I feel even worse than when I thought they killed the baby on purpose!

[jane_says]

I live in Virginia, in (fairly) close proximity to where the baby was killed. The information I am about to give should be taken very lightly, as it is complete hearsay. But the story floating around town is as follows:
Father goes to work. Comes home to find wife hysterical, saying she can't find the baby. The father calls the police. They come and find the (UNCOOKED) baby in the microwave. The mother had smothered it out of jealousy, beacuse the father is very doting and loves the baby so much.
Probably not the correct story, but it's what everyone has been saying...one of those "My cousin has a friend whose mother's uncle works at the car wash where they clean the police cruisers...." kinda tales.

[tracer]

daniel p bostaph wrote:

A number of deaths of military personnel can be attributed to microwave radiation from unshielded radar sets. This was particularly common in WW2 , when the idea that an invisible force could kill you seemed pretty strange. For the record, these personnel (mostly Navy techs) were found at their worksites, near the opened shielding of the running radar sets, with tools in hand. Allegedly, these individuals went unconscious after a very brief exposure.

I do have to wonder how many of these stories are urban legends.

My dad taught F-102 pilots how to operate their plane's radar, while he was in the U.S. Air Force in the 1950s. He says it was common practice at the time to stick your hand in front of the nosecone to tell if the radar was turned on -- if your hand felt warm, the dish inside the fiberglass nosecone was emitting radar. He also told me a story which I'm almost sure is an urban legend, about a pilot who was in a really cold hangar one day and decided to warm himself up by standing in front of his F-102 while the radar was operating -- the man was found dead, of course.

Is there anyplace where one could look up these death-by-radar stories, other than relying on a friend-of-a-friend?

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[Persephone]

You guys really think her epilepsy could have caused this?

It could be a factor. I don't know for sure. It is definitely something that needs to be looked into very, very thoroughly.

The confusion that follows the seizures I have is frightening. What's even scarier, though, is the realization that several minutes of my life are gone, and I cannot account for them. If this terrible thing had happened to me, I think I'd be completely off the deep end, with no hope whatsoever of rescue.

[Diane]

Kelli - The woman does have children (I think they are around 8 and 10 years old). She lives quite normal until her meds need adjustment. She can usually tell in advance when that time comes.

She had just made her appointment to see the doctor for her meds and was due to see him the day after she was burned.

It is really hard to understand how she could have lay in the hot water long enough to get severely burned, but she doesn't remember anything. Because the burns are only on one side of her body they think that she was in pain and was trying to get out of the tub. She must have been trying to push herself out of the tub with her left arm and that is why is was burned so badly.

The freaky thing would be to coming back to reality and be lying in bed covered with burns.


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[kellibelli]

I am sadly aware of the dmage burns of that type can do. My youngest was scalded when he was just 2, and will always be scarred....the treatments at the hospital...I get sick thinking about it, and I am so sorry for the bathtub burn lady.

She would have been numb in places because the burns destroyed the nerves. Those are the places which scar the worst.

She must be wearing the stretch 'jobst' garments, the recovery is an ordeal to be sure, I wish her well.