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Old 01-15-2008, 10:03 PM
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Jenna Jameson doesn't do interracial?

I have no idea if this is the right forum for this.

I'm an admirer of Jenna Jameson's business acumen but I have not admired her other skills first hand. Trying to Google this kind of thing is a recipe for disaster, as you can imagine. So... can you help me out? I read that JJ has not and will not do interracial sex in her videos. Is this true? If so, why?

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Old 01-15-2008, 10:12 PM
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I have no idea, but I just want to say I never liked Jenna Jameson. Her looks are totally bland, generic and boring to me, slick and soulless like a cheap electronic appliance. There are lots of other much-better women in porn who will take any cock, black, Jewish, Hispanic, Chinese, whatever, as long as it's hard. If Jameson refuses to be open-minded to the cocks of other cultures, that is her loss. Not ours.
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:34 PM
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To be fair, Jenna was a stunning beauty when she entered the porn industry in the mid-'90s. Over the last few years, she has undergone a serious of facial plastic surgeries that have made her look hideous, but she used to be a knockout as far as blonde porn babes go.
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:38 PM
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women in porn who will take any cock, black, Jewish, Hispanic, Chinese, whatever, as long as it's hard
And, sometimes, soft. I watched a porno the other day where the guy was actually soft the entire time. Granted, he was clearly a shower, not a grower, but it made me wonder what the point was.

As for the OP, I wouldn't be able to tell you, as I'm not a Jenna Jameson fan. I think most porn viewers under, say, 25 probably aren't. As this falls into the category of "ignorant pornstar", though, I don't think it should be incredibly surprising if the answer is "yes, it's true".

Nor should it be considered particularly relevant, as Jenna Jameson has no real cultural importance these days.
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:54 PM
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Nor should it be considered particularly relevant, as Jenna Jameson has no real cultural importance these days.
She's still kind of an icon, right? Her autobio sold pretty well, she's supposedly making a movie about it with Scarlett Johansson playing her. And I just found this article that says she's Playboy is launching a Club Jenna pay-per-view channel. So I wouldn't count her out as a brand name, even though I heard she was retired from making porn. Regardless, I'm still wondering about the truth of the interracial thing and the reason behind it if it's true.

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Old 01-15-2008, 11:34 PM
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It's probably a toss-up (no salad involved) where this should go, but we'll try it out in Cafe Society (since porn's on video and stuff).
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Old 01-15-2008, 11:49 PM
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I think few pornstars will openly admit racism, but there have been a few. Taylor Rain for one.
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Old 01-15-2008, 11:51 PM
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Her autobio sold pretty well, she's supposedly making a movie about it with Scarlett Johansson playing her.
Oh please god, let this be true.
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Old 01-15-2008, 11:57 PM
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Oh please god, let this be true.
Yeah, but you know like every other post-Boogie Nights Hollywood movie which a character who is a stripper or porn star, they won't actually show any skin.

Now, if you had a movie with Scarlett Johannson playing the innocent girl next door, or perhaps the seductive femme fatale (I'm thinking a remake of Double Indemnity or Out Of The Past) they've have her stripped down to bush in no time flat.

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Old 01-16-2008, 12:01 AM
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...Granted, he was clearly a shower, not a grower....
I'll probably regret this, but... define, please?
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:07 AM
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What he means is that the guy's cock was enormous when flaccid, but lacked the ability to be fully erect.
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:08 AM
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I have a hard time equating "won't do interracial" with racist, you wouldn't call a male porn star homophobic for refusing to do gay porn would you?
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:50 AM
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I think few pornstars will openly admit racism, but there have been a few. Taylor Rain for one.
Huh-what? Cite?

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I have a hard time equating "won't do interracial" with racist, you wouldn't call a male porn star homophobic for refusing to do gay porn would you?


"I won't have sex with black people" and "I won't have sex with men" are two very, very different concepts.
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Old 01-16-2008, 01:00 AM
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As something of a closet porn-aficionado I can say that this type of thing is exceedingly common. I don't know if JJ has ever done a interracial scene or not, I've never seen one but I don't claim to have seen a huge proportion of her work as I'm not that big a fan. Her Wiki page does repeat this supposed fact.

In the general sense you will often hear this discussed in various interviews, most popularly on the Howard Stern show. It doesn't seem to be racism per se. Many of the porn stars who don't do interracial scenes will often be seen in the tabloids dating black athletes and rappers and most who have been interviewed on the topic say they have no problem with it in theory or in their personal life.

The rationale is always that interracial scenes hurt a stars career. It essentially pigeon holes them as "interracial" stars and therefore limits their opportunities to do other work. The validity of this argument is up for debate, but it seems clear that at least some directors and producers do indeed feel this way. Perhaps it's some vestige of past racism simply being propagated out of tradition or it's that by doing interracial scenes the racist minority will not cast you therefore diminishing your options however slightly.

Take it for what it's worth, but Jenna is by no means uncommon as far as porn stars go. Most likely she's just guilty of toeing the company line on the subject. She famously dated Tito Ortiz, who is half Mexican, so it's probably safe to assume she's not a redneck klansman.
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Old 01-16-2008, 01:15 AM
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I think few pornstars will openly admit racism, but there have been a few. Taylor Rain for one.
She admitted to having sex with rapper Lloyd Banks but has always been pretty open about growing up in a very racist family. She's ignorant for sure, but I'm not sure she openly admits to personal prejudice.
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Old 01-16-2008, 01:18 AM
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"I won't have sex with black people" and "I won't have sex with men" are two very, very different concepts.
They are different, but I think the point is that a person can state that they don't want to have sex with black person and not be a racist. Attraction is a nebulous thing and porn stars get to pick and choose who they will and won't work with. Just because Jenna or anyone else doesn't want to bang a black guy doesn't necessarily mean racism.
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Old 01-16-2008, 01:32 AM
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Is it that she doesn't want to bang one specific black guy, or that she has a rule of no black cocks in general? If it was the latter, I'd be curious to hear her explanation for it. "I'm not attracted to black guys? They don't turn me on?" Then why are you dating them in your private life? "Their cocks are too big?" There are plenty of white guys with gigantic cocks and black guys with average cocks in the porn business. It's not true that all black guys just automatically have a huge cock. "It'll ruin my reputation?" Your reputation? You fuck men on film so that guys can jerk off to you.

For God's sake...
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Old 01-16-2008, 01:34 AM
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They are different, but I think the point is that a person can state that they don't want to have sex with black person and not be a racist. Attraction is a nebulous thing and porn stars get to pick and choose who they will and won't work with. Just because Jenna or anyone else doesn't want to bang a black guy doesn't necessarily mean racism.
I dunno. Even those white men who claim not to be attracted to black women can usually find one or two (at least partially-)black women who turn them on; Halle Berry is probably the most widely-cited example, or was in the first half of this decade, anyway. It's one thing to say "I don't find most black/white/Vietnamese/whatever people attractive" or even "I have yet to find a black/white/Vietnamese/whatever person attractive", but "I cannot and will not ever find a black/white/Vietnamese/whatever person attractive" sounds like racism to me. I think "I have met black men who turn me on, but I wouldn't be seen having sex with them" (Jenna's apparent stance) crosses over from "sounds like racism" to "definitely racism" in my book.

I don't know enough about the inner workings of the industry to weigh in on the theory that starring in interracial porn can take away a star's options, but:

1. In today's porn market, a star can alienate a sizable minority of producers and still probably have hundreds if not thousands of people to work for. Hell, with enough star power and the right niche market (see Wifey's World or iDeepThroat), one or two performers can rake in money hand over fist pretty much by themselves.

2. Once someone has the star power that Taylor Rain has now or Jenna had in the late 90s, I highly doubt that person could seriously damage her career by shooting for a couple new niche markets. Some pornstars seem to straddle several niches quite comfortably.
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Old 01-16-2008, 04:24 AM
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Now, if you had a movie with Scarlett Johannson playing the innocent girl next door, or perhaps the seductive femme fatale (I'm thinking a remake of Double Indemnity or Out Of The Past) they've have her stripped down to bush in no time flat.
I have always thought that Double Indemnity is one of those movies that is already perfect and should never be remade, but that is before the possibility of naked Scarlett Johannson was brought up.
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Old 01-16-2008, 04:31 AM
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Er, didn't she retire?
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Old 01-16-2008, 06:09 AM
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Re: "Shower, not grower."

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What he means is that the guy's cock was enormous when flaccid, but lacked the ability to be fully erect.
This is not correct.

A grow-er is a man who's penis is small when flaccid, but grows to a larger size when erect.

A show-er is a man who's flaccid penis is large, but doesn't get much larger when erect. Therefore, in the locker room, he looks like he's really big, but isn't necessarily any bigger than the grower "when it counts."

The guy in the above referenced movie may well have been a shower, and he may have not been hard in that scene, but that doesn't mean he can't get fully erect in other circumstances.


And while we're on the subject of showers and growers and race and all--I have no idea if it's true, but one explanation that I've heard for the "black men have enormous cocks" stereotype is that black men are more likely to be showers, while white men are more likely to be growers. Therefore, in the locker room, where penises are (presumably) flaccid, black men indeed tend to be a lot bigger than white men, but the difference is erased or minimized when the penises in question are erect. Again, I don't know if there is any validity to this idea, but it is interesting to think about. (Or maybe it was just invented to make those poor, under-endowed honkeys feel better. )
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Old 01-16-2008, 06:18 AM
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It's her body, right?

So she can choose who to fuck and who not to
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Old 01-16-2008, 06:29 AM
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It's her body, right?

So she can choose who to fuck and who not to
Exactly what I was going to say.

Should she be forced to fuck someone she doesn't want just so that it doesn't upset the sensibilities of some people.

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Old 01-16-2008, 09:23 AM
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Does her "no interracial" rule apply to women too?...that'd be a pity.
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Old 01-16-2008, 09:29 AM
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Jenna's very first movie with Randy West was hot, hot, hot. Since she's had all the surgery, however, she has gotten uglier and uglier.

Eh, it's her body and career. She can fuck who she wants, no skin off of my nose.
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Old 01-16-2008, 09:35 AM
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There are a lot of pornstars of her era who wouldn't do black guys on film- as said above, the stock answer was it would hurt their career, i.e. would somehow lower their pay if they had a done a black guy on film. Jill Kelly, Jasmin St. Clair, Kendra Jade are a few others that come to mind. This could be racist, depending on the person, maybe not. But its their choice who they sleep with on or off camera.

Then you have those like Jessica Darlin who did a bunch of black guy porn and later regretted it and said she was "forced" to do it.

Oddly enough, the no black guy rule doesn't apply to gang bangs, as both Jasmin SC and Kendra Jade did black guys in their respective bangs- so in a group its OK, not one on one- or maybe there would be fear of a lawsuit if they had an open call for joes off the street to participate in the bang, but had a no coloreds allowed sign

Jenna J is one of the (many) ones who had work done for no reason- she was hotter without the work. Very few pornstars actually look better after the work- Shay Sweet is about the only one who went from plain to very hot.

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Old 01-16-2008, 09:36 AM
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It's her body, right?

So she can choose who to fuck and who not to
Thirded. Completely aside from the OP's question about Jenna, just because one is not interested in a certain category of people as sex partners does not mean ipso facto that one hates that category of people.

I don't think I could have sex with a paraplegic because of the bladder control issues, and I know for a fact I could never have sex with anyone who had a heavy Brooklyn or Boston accent, simply because I like the dirty talk too much, and I wouldn't be able to keep it up against that obstacle. That's doesn't mean I try to run them down in my car or anything.

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Old 01-16-2008, 09:45 AM
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She admitted to having sex with rapper Lloyd Banks but has always been pretty open about growing up in a very racist family. She's ignorant for sure, but I'm not sure she openly admits to personal prejudice.
If you are speaking of her racial belief, I would like to know how you have such a personal insight of her views. If you are referring to her overall intelligence, then you are quite wrong. She has turned herself into a brand -in a business not exactly known for it's treatment of women- and profited greatly.

Furthermore, I don't know why she doesn't engage herself onscreen with black men, but I would be willing to bet it is because she doesn't want to.


If the implication of the OP is that we as a populace now need to bang people from another race just to satisfy some unfounded guilt and "prove" our racial innocence....Well, screw you. I say this not caring in the least what the colour of your skin may be.
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Old 01-16-2008, 09:55 AM
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Does her "no interracial" rule apply to women too?...that'd be a pity.
I've seen her in scenes with at least two Asian women (Asia Carrera and Kobe Tai), if that helps.
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:07 AM
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If Jameson refuses to be open-minded to the cocks of other cultures, that is her loss. Not ours.
Where have I read this before? Was it Ellis Island?
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:08 AM
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If the implication of the OP is that we as a populace now need to bang people from another race just to satisfy some unfounded guilt and "prove" our racial innocence....Well, screw you. I say this not caring in the least what the colour of your skin may be.
Please indicate where the OP implies any judgment of Jenna Jameson, casts any aspersions on her decisions, or in any way badmouths her. It's just a question. I figured she had an economic reason, since she is a shrewd business woman, and that seems to be true. Try hard not to ascribe motivations to me that are not mine.
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:09 AM
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If you are speaking of her racial belief, I would like to know how you have such a personal insight of her views. If you are referring to her overall intelligence, then you are quite wrong. She has turned herself into a brand -in a business not exactly known for it's treatment of women- and profited greatly.
Visit Club Taylor Rain and read her blog entries or go to LukeFord.com and dig up some of her archived material. Watch any of the behind the scenes material on her movies. She happily brags about her track record of drug related arrests. The girl is a twit. Don't get me wrong, the girl absolutely sizzles on screen and I love her stuff, but she's no renaissance woman. I think it's dubious how business savvy she has been as well, from all accounts I've read it appears that she's pretty much blown through huge amounts of her earnings on drugs and bling. Unlike Jenna and many of the other hugely popular girls she hasn't set up her own production company and marketed herself to the mainstream. She was hugely successful for sure, she was about as attractive as any porn star I have ever scene and equally dirty to boot. But that by no means indicates that she was a shrewd business woman, she's certainly no Jenna in that regard.
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:20 AM
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Please indicate where the OP implies any judgment of Jenna Jameson, casts any aspersions on her decisions, or in any way badmouths her. It's just a question. I figured she had an economic reason, since she is a shrewd business woman, and that seems to be true. Try hard not to ascribe motivations to me that are not mine.

Read: "If the implication by the OP is....."

If there is no underlying motive, then there should be no argument.


Omniscient: I'm certainly not expecting the cure for cancer to be identified on her watch, but you don't get that many zeroes in your bank account by being a moron, generally.
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:33 AM
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Omniscient: I'm certainly not expecting the cure for cancer to be identified on her watch, but you don't get that many zeroes in your bank account by being a moron, generally.
Generally no, but when you're that hot and film incredible sex scenes it certainly ups the odds. The average pro athlete isn't Einstein either.

Here's the first blog entry of hers I scraped up, just soak it in for a second.

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MY WEEKEND!!
Nov 13, 2007

TMFR WRITES:

WENT EARLY FRIDAY MORNIN TO THE DENIST FOR A CHECK UP ON A COUPLE TEETH THAT GOT WORKED ON A COUPE MONTHS BACK....WELL HE SAID THEY LOOKED GREAT BUT THERE IS MORE WORK TO BE DONE IN MY GRILL!! OK LIKE WHAT, I SAID? HE SAYS, YOU HAVE A FEW CAVITY'S LET'S TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THEM TODAY. I SAID, FUCK THAT LET'S JUST DO ONE! SO GOT THAT OUT OF THE WAY AND WAS ON MY WAY!!!! OH YA, I ALMOST GOT INTO A ACCIDENT ROLLING OUT OF THE DENIST PARKING LOT!! WHAMMY! MUST OF BEEN THE XANAX I TOOK TO CALM MY NERVES!!!

THEN I WAS OFF TO THE WEED STORE, PO BOX, THE BANK, AND TO THE GROCERY STORE FOR ALL THE FIXINS FOR LASNGNA DINNER!!!!

GOT HOME GOT REALLY HIGH, CRANKED UP SOME TUNES AND STARTED MAKING LASNGNA. FAYNER CAME OVER AND MADE SOME MUDSLIDES IT WAS LIKE 11:00 IN THE MORNING! FUCK IT! GOT THE SAUCE STARTED UP SO WE POUNDED ARE MUDSLIDES AND TOOK ALL THE DOGS TO THE PARK!!! WE TRIED TO TAKE FIVE LARGE DOGS IN FAYNERS WHITE 2 SEATER 500SL BENZ. WASNT HAPPENIN SO WE DECIDED TO TAKE TWO TRIPS! WE PUT TWO BACK IN THE HOUSE AND THEN FAYN WENT BACK AND GOT THE OTHER TWO!!! GOTTA LOVE FAYN!!!

GOT HOME AND THE MAIDS WERE THERE CLEANING SO FAYNER TOO THE DOGS AND I WENT AND GOT MY HAIR AND NAILS DID! FUCK IT!!! AT THIS POINT I WAS WASTED!!! SO I TOOK A NAP!

AROUND 4:20 MY SISTER ARRIVED AND WE BLAZED IT UP FOR ABOUT AN HOUR THEN WE MADE SOME MARGRITAS !!! THEN WE HAD TO PREP FOR MAKING THE LASGNA CUZ WE WERE HAVING PEOPLE OVER CUZ IT WAS SOME HOOKERS BIRTHDAY THAT IS STAYING IN ONE OF MY HOUSES!!!

SO AROUND 7PM I WAS TANKED BUT I WAS TOTALLY KEEPING MY COOL! I'M SO PRO WHEN COMES TO COOKING FOR LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE! SO WE WERE A LITTLE BEHIND BUT EVERYONE WAS GETTING WASTED OFF POT OR BOOZE SO I DIDN'T REALLY MATTER. THEN EVERYONE KEPT SNEEKING OVER TO MY OVEN..............I HAD TO FEED THEM.

WE ATE A WONDERFUL MEAL FOR 10 OUTSIDE. IT WAS PERFECT, EVERYONE ENJOYED THE MEAL. TRAVIS KEPT TELLING ME I NEED TO OPEN MY OWN RESTURANT!!!! THAT IS TO MUCH WORK. MAYBE WHEN I'M A OLDER AND DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO!!! I THINK I PASSED OUT RIGHT AFTER THE MEAL MAYBE I AM GETTING OLDER??? FUCK THAT!!! I WAS FADED AND FULL!!!

THAT WAS JUST FRIDAY!!!

SATURDAY,

WOKE UP AT 7AM LIKE EVERYDAY!!! MADE SOME COFFEE, ROLLED SOME JOINTS FOR THE DAY, READ UP ON SOME NEWS, AND THEN COOKED THE MEN SOME FOOD. THEY WERE HYPED!

WE PLANNED TO GO TO CHINATOWN, JAPANTOWN, AND OLVIRA ST BY 10AM! YOU KNOW THAT DIDNT HAPPEN. LEFT AROUND 11 GOT THERE BY NOON!!! SHOPPED AND HAGGLED IN CHINATOWN FOR A MINUTE. THEN WENT TO HOP LOUIS FOR DRINKS AND APPETIZERS!

THEN WE MADE IT TO OLVIRA ST TO GO ON THE SEARCH FOR A PINATA FOR RHI'S BIRTHDAY (FAYNERS DAWG)!!! WE GOT ONE BIG ONE AND 5 SMALL ONES FOR THE OTHER PUPS AT THE PARTY!!! YUP WE ARE HAVING A DOGGIE PARTY WE ARE LAME! THEN WE WENT AND HAD LUNCH AND MARAGRITA'S AT THIS SPOT THAT I ALWAYS GO TO WHEN I GO DOWN THAT WAY!!! GO WASTED ALURA LEFT HER CREDIT CARD! TOTAL WHAMMY!!!

GOT HOME AROUND 4:20 SPARKED IT UP THEN TOOK A NAP! WOKE UP AND WENT TO DINNER AT LALA'S AND THEN WE WERE OFF TO GO GAMBLE. THAT WAS MY IDEA!!! AFTER EATING KNOW ONE WAS DOWN TO GO TO THE HUSTLER CASINO EXPECT FOR MY SIS AND DEZ!!! SO WE ROLLED OUT! DEZ HAD TO DRIVE CUZ WE WERE SHITTY AGAIN!!! FUCK IT!!!

WE GOT TO THE HUSTLER CASINO AND ALL THERE WERE WAS NIGS EVERYWHERE!!! FUCK IT WE WERE LIKE 2 MILES FROM COMPTON!!! ANYWAYS WE FIND A TABLE OUTSIDE AND SAT THERE FOR LIKE 3HRS FIGHTING FOR OUR MONEY! THAT PLACE BLOWS FOR GAMBLING. IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF DUMB NIGS PLACING $5 BETS!!! WE WERE SUPER SHITTY SO WE ORDERED SOME FOOD AT THE TABLE AND ROLLED OUT AROUND 3AM THEN WE WERE OFF TO DANNY'S THAT'S WHERE EVERYONE LINKS UP AFTER PARTYING. WE PLAYED A COUPLE SONGS ON GUITAR HERO, SMOKED A FEW BOWLS, AND SAW A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ROLLING BALLS ON DANNY'S COUCH! FUCK IT!!!

GOT TO BED AROUND 4:20AM AND WE HAD MASSAGES ON SUNDAY AT 9 AM CUZ THATS ALL THEY HAD SO I BOOKED FOUR SPA APPTS. JENNA, ALUARA, SIS AND I!!! WE MADE IT BARELY BUT WE WERE NOT LATE THAT IS ALL THAT COUNTS!!! RELAXED IT UP IN THE STEAM, SUANA, AND JACUZZI! WE ALL HAD BOMB MASSAGES AND THEN WENT TO BREAKFAST AND THEN WENT BACK TO BED!!! THAT WAS MY EVENT FULL WEEKEND WITH MY FRIENDS AND SISTER!

THE END

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Old 01-16-2008, 10:49 AM
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Such an incredible diversity of literary influences! I see Joyce, Kerouac, Wolfe, Hunter S. Thompson, Vonnegut... pity that a talent like that would choose a porn career instead.

Zeroes, indeed.
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:53 AM
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I barely know who Taylor Rain is but just as reference, Magic Johnson has a string of successful businesses in his name, and the man can barely speak English- IOW, she's probably not the driving force behind her "brand", just the front for it.
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Old 01-16-2008, 11:02 AM
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Read: "If the implication by the OP is....."

If there is no underlying motive, then there should be no argument.
But be sure you offer a pre-emptive "screw you" just in case, right?

So basically, the reason JJ doesn't do interracial is because the porn industry thinks that white women who have sex on film with black men aren't as valuable? Thus she is correct that it would harm her success if she did it? Wouldn't this avoidance alienate black porn viewers? Is this an indication of endemic racism in the porn industry? I honestly don't know much abougt this stuff, but I'm sure someone here does.
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Old 01-16-2008, 11:18 AM
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Omniscient: That's a blog by Taylor Rain, not Jenna Jameson?

ETA: Ahh- I see what happened. I was referring to Jenna, not Taylor.

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Old 01-16-2008, 11:30 AM
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So basically, the reason JJ doesn't do interracial is because the porn industry thinks that white women who have sex on film with black men aren't as valuable? Thus she is correct that it would harm her success if she did it? Wouldn't this avoidance alienate black porn viewers? Is this an indication of endemic racism in the porn industry? I honestly don't know much abougt this stuff, but I'm sure someone here does.
Well, until JJ goes out of her way to comment on her reasons we can't know what her motives are. She might be a rabid racist, she might just find them unattractive, she might have a business reason for it. At this points it's pretty unlikely that will happen, so it's probably unwise to presume anything on her behalf.

To answer the rest of the question is more complicated. It's entirely possible that there is endemic racism in porn. However, it's also possible that market forces dictate this. If the buying public choose all-white porn with their wallets, can the industry be blamed for responding to that by limiting interracial stuff to the niche/fetish bins? Perhaps black porn viewers make up a negligible proportion of the buying audience, or perhaps they don't buy black or interracial videos over typical white videos frequently enough to make producing them fiscally prudent.

Based on repeated interview comments, most memorably the series of documentary shows on HBO called Pornucopia, this issue is one the industry is fully aware of. A couple of black male performers accused the industry of racism and were frustrated by the double standard, but at the same time everyone agreed that you couldn't pressure the girls to do anything they didn't want to do, regardless of their reasons. The industry as a whole is under the belief that interracial stuff can hurt a girls earning power in the long run, though there are a lot of middle tier, anything goes-girls who do it regularly. I suppose the big question is if there is any validity to the "hurts marketability" claim or not, and the only people who can answer that are the producers who have the dollar figures.

In fairness though, there are a ton of fetish/niche genres that mainstream, big budget porn stars avoid for business reasons outside of interracial. Jenna and most of the promoted contract stars will not do gang bangs, BDSM, bukkake, anal and any other number of things which presumably would lower their exclusivity. For certain high-demand stars restricting the types of things you will do and the number of movies you will make drives up the price you can command. Often you'll see up and comers doing those fetish things in order to get noticed and make a name for themselves and then stopping once they have achieved a certain level of demand.

Safe to say the industry is a bit more complex than "have sex, get paid" and motives for doing things can be pretty nuanced.
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Old 01-16-2008, 11:50 AM
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Um... re: Taylor Rain's blog... what the eff is a "weed store"?

There are stores now?
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:05 PM
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Um... re: Taylor Rain's blog... what the eff is a "weed store"?

There are stores now?
As Entourage informed me, there are apparently stores in California where it's legal to buy and sell marijuana if you have certain medical document claiming it as medicinal. Taylor has often claimed to have a condition for which she does use it medicinally. I can only guess that that's what she is referring to.
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:09 PM
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As Entourage informed me, there are apparently stores in California where it's legal to buy and sell marijuana if you have certain medical document claiming it as medicinal. Taylor has often claimed to have a condition for which she does use it medicinally. I can only guess that that's what she is referring to.
Which, I suppose, begs the obvious question: can a shot of semen in the eye cause glaucoma?
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:19 PM
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This is anecdotal, but if my casual perusal of the recreational site I sometimes visit is correct, there's no such taboo on doing black guys; in fact, it seems to be a very popular and prominent theme.
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:22 PM
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From my very limited understanding (I know you don't believe me, but it's true), I think it does come back to the producers. "Interracial" does not seem to mean "substitute a black guy for the white guy and do everything the same." It seems like they're playing to a niche rough-sex audience.
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:24 PM
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And while we're on the subject of showers and growers and race and all--I have no idea if it's true, but one explanation that I've heard for the "black men have enormous cocks" stereotype is that black men are more likely to be showers, while white men are more likely to be growers. Therefore, in the locker room, where penises are (presumably) flaccid, black men indeed tend to be a lot bigger than white men, but the difference is erased or minimized when the penises in question are erect. Again, I don't know if there is any validity to this idea, but it is interesting to think about. (Or maybe it was just invented to make those poor, under-endowed honkeys feel better. )
Not to hijack this thread further, but I had heard somewhere (yes the legendary “somewhere” where you find stuff written by the notorious “Them”) that the tissue in a black man’s penis is structurally different from Caucasian tissue giving it the ability to appear longer and fuller when flaccid as opposed to the shrinkage that white guys undergo when not aroused. I don’t know about the validity of this and maybe it’s just a perpetuation of the white meat vs dark meat theories.

As to the notion of actors being pigeonholed by appearing in interracial movies, I do believe there is a perception that anyone, especially a woman, who engages in interracial sex somehow has looser morals than someone who doesn’t. Yeah, like porn stars are shining examples of moral purity . While interracial relationships are more mainstream than they were in the past, it is still sometimes a taboo subject. People today still express a reluctance or even fear bringing home a partner from outside their race (or religion) because they know that their family might have a hard time accepting it. The interracial porn taps into that and says, “This slut doesn’t care who she fucks. Look, she even does black guys!” Real classy. Any porn actress who wants to aspire to “name” status doesn’t want to be limited in her projects by being typecast as the girl who loves black cock. This is not her being racist, it is her being concerned about her career. Similarly, some mainstream actresses won’t do nude scenes or roles where the female character is weak or victimized.

Strangely, though, the idea of oriental women with white guys is not only acceptable but it is extremely lucrative.
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:27 PM
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In fairness though, there are a ton of fetish/niche genres that mainstream, big budget porn stars avoid for business reasons outside of interracial. Jenna and most of the promoted contract stars will not do gang bangs, BDSM, bukkake, anal and any other number of things which presumably would lower their exclusivity. For certain high-demand stars restricting the types of things you will do and the number of movies you will make drives up the price you can command. Often you'll see up and comers doing those fetish things in order to get noticed and make a name for themselves and then stopping once they have achieved a certain level of demand.

Safe to say the industry is a bit more complex than "have sex, get paid" and motives for doing things can be pretty nuanced.
There does seem to be a lot of typecasting, whether from consumer preference or industry practice--I recall Asia Carrera saying that she refused to do anal on camera because once you do, then you're the "anal girl" and basically have to do it from then on. This may be the same reason JJ never did interracial, because it's considered a "fetish" genre and she didn't want to end up only being able to do that type of movie.
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:28 PM
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The guy in the above referenced movie may well have been a shower, and he may have not been hard in that scene, but that doesn't mean he can't get fully erect in other circumstances.
Given the woman he was working with and the things he was doing to her, I would suggest that if he couldn't get hard in that scene, he couldn't get hard doing anything.

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Should she be forced to fuck someone she doesn't want just so that it doesn't upset the sensibilities of some people.
right back atcha. Why don't you go find where someone on the Dope has suggested that anyone should make her have sex with people of other races on film, and report back to me when you have a quote? People have merely said that they view Jenna Jameson differently for only working with white people, which is a very different concept.

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Thirded. Completely aside from the OP's question about Jenna, just because one is not interested in a certain category of people as sex partners does not mean ipso facto that one hates that category of people.

I don't think I could have sex with a paraplegic because of the bladder control issues, and I know for a fact I could never have sex with anyone who had a heavy Brooklyn or Boston accent, simply because I like the dirty talk too much, and I wouldn't be able to keep it up against that obstacle. That's doesn't mean I try to run them down in my car or anything.
Nobody here has claimed that Jenna Jameson "hates" black people. And don't tell me that "JJ is racist" means "JJ hates black people", because it doesn't. What would you call someone who would buy a newspaper from a black man but wouldn't be recorded on film buying a newspaper from a black man, for fear of being embarrassed by the association? That's right: a racist. That doesn't mean he hates black people.

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Um... re: Taylor Rain's blog... what the eff is a "weed store"?

There are stores now?
Sure, in California, if you have a prescription. Most people with a more nuanced command of the language call them dispensaries, but "weed store" is just as accurate.
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:33 PM
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As Entourage informed me, there are apparently stores in California where it's legal to buy and sell marijuana if you have certain medical document claiming it as medicinal.
Sorry, didn't see this. Nitpick: you can't go to the store and sell marijuana to others; only the store can. It's not a swap meet or anything. You can get a prescription for just about anything you can convince a doctor you have if you have $200, and a glance at any weekly reader in California will give you the names of plenty of easily convinced doctors.
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I for one am shocked that a girl who gets things shoved up her ass on camera for a living isn't more socially conscious.
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:45 PM
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If the implication of the OP is that we as a populace now need to bang people from another race just to satisfy some unfounded guilt and "prove" our racial innocence....Well, screw you. I say this not caring in the least what the colour of your skin may be.
Even if that was the implication, saying "screw you" to another poster, outside the Pit, is inappropriate. Cafe Society is meant for discussion of the topic at hand, not for comments about other posters.
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