In this thread Lib gets all bent out of shape because I asked for a cite on something he was blithely stating as fact. I think “martyr complex” just about covers it - apparently we (everyone else in that thread - it’s one vs. nine, don’tcha know) have called him everything from crybaby to liar. And we have grudges, oh yes, let’s not forget the grudges. :dubious:
All I can say is, somewhere on Calvary there’s a hill missing a cross. Oh, and I’m still missing a cite.
I don’t really see how you can ask for a cite in the “intellectual” circle jerk that Philosophy is.
At best, you can track down a cite where a philosopher claimed something.
Finding a cite where philosopher proved something… now that’s a worthy goal.
By the way, this pitting is as useless as an unexamined life.
[QUOTE=treis]
I don’t really see how you can ask for a cite in the “intellectual” circle jerk that Philosophy is.
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A quote from Sartre saying “Oh, and to wax metaphorical for a moment, mes amis, let me just say…” would do. Or even some other authority saying “And here we can easily see Sartre was extending the metaphor…”.
Instead, I have two variants - Sartre’s own words, and Lib’s interpretation thereof. One of these is pretty clear to me, very unmetaphorical - and it isn’t Lib. So I wanted a cite that says it isn’t just his interpretation, but rather a plain fact (like he seems to think we should take it - because he said so, don’tchaknow.)
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers]
By the way, this pitting is as useless as an unexamined life.
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Call me Sisyphus!
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers]
By the way, this pitting is as useless as an unexamined life.
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Cite? 
[QUOTE=MrDibble]
Call me Sisyphus!
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You should see a doctor about that.
That and my constant nausea!
Existentialism humour - gotta love it.
At least he hasn’t played the death card again.
I don’t see where Liberal even implied that a request for a cite was an accusation of lying in that thread. He said it was a sign of laziness, which it isn’t, but that’s a different issue.
[QUOTE=Muffin]
At least he hasn’t played the death card again.
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You can only do that once, can’t you?
[QUOTE=Northern Piper]
Cite?
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http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9446661&postcount=5
My post is my cite!!!
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.]
You can only do that once, can’t you?
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That would depend on whether or not he is existentially nothing more than a collection of electromagnetic waves and subatomic particles suspended in a field of gravity, who pre-exists his essence.
[QUOTE=John Mace]
I don’t see where Liberal even implied that a request for a cite was an accusation of lying in that thread. He said it was a sign of laziness, which it isn’t, but that’s a different issue.
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What do you call this (in direct response to my asking for a cite)?
[QUOTE=Liberal]
The page represents the views of an existentialist, chosen to counter the implication that I’m making shit up to suit myself.
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(my bolding)
Does “making shit up” = lying? It may sometimes, but not always. In this context, I don’t think it does.
[QUOTE=MrDibble]
Call me Sisyphus!
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And buy him a Rolling Rock…
[QUOTE=John Mace]
Does “making shit up” = lying? It may sometimes, but not always. In this context, I don’t think it does.
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Oh, for Pete’s’s sake - of course it does. Especially when he later goes on with
[QUOTE=Liberal]
It does become onerous when you’re one against nine, and despite whatever care and attention you pay to answering each one first thing in the morning, you’re dismissed as everything from a crybaby to a liar. I think I may never get involved in another philosophical in Great Debates. I’m just too old for it.
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My bolding. In the context of the thread, who do you think he was talking about there?
It’s just a means of avoiding the hard questions by making it personal. And breathing room to go look up a cite, I’m sure. But mostly it’s about the martyrdom. I mean, check it out: “I’m too old for this - I’m so beset by mean people” bullshit. Asking for a cite is hardly kicking his white cane out from under him. It’s standard debate, FFS. I mean, who the fuck is Lib that I should buy his say-so on Sartre’s train of thought?
[QUOTE=John Mace]
Does “making shit up” = lying? It may sometimes, but not always. In this context, I don’t think it does.
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Of course making shit up equals lying! When has it ever not? Sometimes your oppositionality is truly inspired.
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers]
At best, you can track down a cite where a philosopher claimed something.
Finding a cite where philosopher proved something… now that’s a worthy goal.
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Cite! More proof that you can shake a stick at! 