Poetry lovers -what well-regarded poets or poems do you just hate?{Long,opinionated}

I know I’m not the only one on the SDMB who loves poetry, or quite a lot of it anyway. We seem to be a definite minority amongst the literate of the world, sadly, but we’re everywhere.

I also know that most poetry fans, if not all of us, harbor some deep disagreements with a majority of this minority we belong to. For one thing, every one of us has a few poems that we love to pieces, even though we know damned well the learned and lofty lords of High Taste would assure us is tripe; but that’ll be the topic for my next post. For now, I’d like to ask: what poets who are generally considered to be good, classic, major, excellent, can you just plain not stand to read the works of? Similarly, what specific poems are there which a concensus canon-happy professors, anthologists of record, and even the rest of the poetry-appreciative circles you know of, have declared Great Works, but are still shit on toast to your tastes?

Here are some of mine:

Paradise Lost – I’ve read many, many academic appreciations of John Milton in general, and PL in particular, that laud the blind Christian to the skies and back and call this dreary never-ending thing one of the greatest poems in the English language. What I see there (or would, if I were to subject myself to reading it again) is a tedious long-winded stretch of writing which has no music or passion to it but just goes on its deadly dull way with many a creak and thud. Not only was I subjected to that mess in two Lit classes (senior year of high school and first-year college), I’ve gone back and struggled with it on my own. And there’s nothing there but a cinderblock of starchy, prosy boredom shot through with annoying religious piety.

In one of his earlier novels, Richard Price makes a passing reference to Spenser’s The Faery Queen as a “sleeping pill”. He was correct. It is a deadening sedative that leaves one logy afterwardAnd if TFQ is Nembutal, then Malory’s Morte D’Arthur is Tuinal, and that other King Arthur poem I forgot the author and the title of is Seconal, to complete my elegasnt series of analogies to obsolete soporifics in tablet form.

The authors of many of those moldy old chestnuts that high-school English teachers have been subjecting teenagers to (and causing them to hate poetry by so doing, which is a tragedy and a grave misdeed AFAIAC) are keeping Mr. Milton company on my shit list: I speak of Mssrs Wordsworth, Whittier, Longfellow and (Thomas) Gray principally. Much of these gentlemens’ combined output is distinguished only by its ability to put a classroom full of 8th-graders to sleep.

Matthew Arnold (“the whiskered Wowser”, as the learned Mr. Crowley called him), with his stern and deadening edict requiring “High Seriousness”, escapes my shitlist of the Undeservingly Reverenced – but only by a hair, and only because he wrote “Dover Beach”. The rest of his poetry stinks on ice to the nostrils of my poetic ear, no matter how many learned lords of lofty literature insist it’s vitally important and elegantly swell.

Samuel Coleridge wrote one of my very favorite poems of thepre-modern epoch, Kublai Khan. He also wrote The Rime Of The Ancient Mariner, though, and for that I cannot forgive him. It’s an over-wrought and under-abridged torrent of dreary drivel with unmusical rhymes, cursed with a storyline of sorts which takes ages to go nowhere. This so-called masterpiece strikes me as mostly another tool for sadistic lit teachers to torture their students with until they’re conditioned to loathe all poetry.

Moving into the 20th Century (I prefer the 20th Century poets to older ones anyway for the most part!), I have to confess that I simply cannot abide the poetry of that self-disgraced soi-disant Master Of His Poetic Era, Ezra Pound. My rejection of him has nothing to do with his unsavory and treasonous political activities, and everything to do with the fact that I cannot make head nor tail out of his poetry and there’s nothing I can see about it that makes me think it’d be worth the effort to learn about. Well, I’ll make an exception for the one poem “Ancient Music”('Winter is i-cumin in, / Lhude sing goddamn!"). In fact I think that that whole deliberately obtuse and opaque Modernist thing is the other major force that turns people off all poetry along with the narcoleptic boredoms of the moldy oldies.

Hart Crane is another poet I am assured by the nabobs of knowledge is great indeed, and perhaps beyond my capabilities, while I am convinced he’s actually an incomprehensible and incredibly boring waste of time and anthology pages.

And finally, let me mention Mr, Robert Frost – one of the most brutally boring and outrageously over-rated poets who wrote in English during the 20th Century.

There are more than just a few other well-respected poets and much-beloved poems I hold in similar heretical disdain, but these are just about the worst of all in my bookI don’t offer these examples up because I wanted to pick a fight about their merits or lack of same, but as my own list of qualified specimens of the topic of discussion.

Have at, fellow malcontents of versification!

Oh, I don’t know. I’m most definitely not an expert on poetry. I have my favorites like Emily Dickinson. (Really, poets who can confine themselves to a stanza or two generally rank higher on my list. I have a short attention span.) I don’t know that I’ve ever run into a poem that I hated. Found boring, yeah. Didn’t read because they were too long, yeah. Didn’t understand, hell yeah. But I tend to ascribe that to failings on my part. Or at least I used to. As I’ve grown older, I’ve lost patience with people who think they’re being witty by being purposefully obscure or confusing. I do think this thread will be interesting and I’ll be keeping an eye on it to see if I can learn anything.

Saying I’m a poetry lover might be wording it a little too strongly. There are certainly lots of poems and poets that I like, or at least tolerate. That being said, I HATE Wordsworth. To go any further would involve forum-inappropriate language.

I have a BA in Literature (“Would you like fries with that?”). I took a course in Romantic lit, and mentioned in class that I didn’t care for Wordsworth. The prof replied that if I hadn’t read a lot of a poet’s work (which I hadn’t), I wasn’t in a position to make that judgment. That still doesn’t make much sense to me, but anyway…in the course of the class, I read a lot of Wordsworth, and a bit more on my own.

Mod, could you please delete the other one? I hit “enter” in error and took longer than 5 minutes to edit… :frowning:

I have a BA in Literature (“Would you like fries with that?”). I took a course in Romantic lit, and mentioned in class that I didn’t care for Wordsworth. The prof replied that if I hadn’t read a lot of a poet’s work (which I hadn’t), I wasn’t in a position to make that judgment. That still doesn’t make much sense to me, but anyway…in the course of the class, I read a lot of Wordsworth, and a bit more on my own. At the end of this experiment, if anything I disliked Wordsworth even more! and told the professor so.

I’d also like to add Tennyson. I like his short verses, but In Memoriam A.H.H. ? By about the third stanza I was thinking, Ohhhhhhh-kay. By the end, I was (metaphorically) yelling at page going "For God’s sake, Alfred! Get over it already!!

Billy Collins. Popular he yam, Yates he a’int.

Neither Ezra Pound, nor T.S. Eliot speak to me.

Granted, my experience is solely from a lit survey course, and I have been surprised in the past when I’d reviewed literature that I was no longer reading for class, but nothing I recall from either poet’s works leave me eager to return to them.

Oh, and J.R.R. Tolkien’s poetry leaves me cold, esp. if it’s in the middle of an otherwise interesting story. (Yes, I’m talking about you, Tom Bombadil!)

(Hunkers down to prepare for the salvos soon to be coming in from the various Tolkienites on the Dope.)

Yeah, I hates me some Wordsworth. I pulled the one and only all-nighter of my life reading him to prepare for an exam, and he owes me my night back. Wordsworth sucks.

(I passed. No thanks to Billy W.)

That makes total sense. It’s like seeing two minutes out of the middle of a movie and deciding that you don’t like it. For a poetry example, I really, really dislike Tennyson’s “Idylls of the King.” Blah blah blah, Arthur, blah, betrayal, blah blah. If I hadn’t read “The Lady of Shalott” and all those “bitch broke my heart” poems, I’d think he was some boring guy with a beard. Reading a few poems doesn’t always give you a complete pictures of a poet’s work. Like E.E. Cummings isn’t all about discarding capital letters and messing with punctuation and jumbling up letters – it’s more subtle than that. If you only encountered the wildly rearranged poems, then you’d be inclined to think that’s all he did, and that’s not true.

To answer the OP, I cannot stand most of Rudyard Kipling’s work. “Gunga Din”? Gunga don’t. I don’t really like most Victorian/Edwardian military poetry, and that’s what Kipling is most well-known for.

The thing that redeems Kipling, in my mind, is that for every chauvinistic, jingoistic piece of his that I can think of it, there’s something bitter, futile, and (dare I say it?) beuatiful, too.

You mention Gunga Din

I’ll counter with The Young British Soldier, or The Birds of Prey March. Either one, I think, would be great anthems for the anti-war types.

Though I’ll never forgive him for what he did for my nascent sense of Asian geography: There’s no effing way that the Sun can rise in Mandalay from “outer China, 'crost the bay.” (mutter mutter)

I said I couldn’t stand most of Kipling’s work, not all of it.

salvos!

I’m not a big fan of Wordsworth, either, or of Keats (although he has his moments). The whole Romantic period kind of leaves me cold, to be honest.

Fair enough.

There’s certainly enough of his works (and personal opinions) to disturb anyone, I think.

I’ve never gotten into Homer. The poetry seems prosaic (no doubt much is lost in translation), and the story just seems . . . silly. I mean, come on, clinging to the underside of a sheep? For Zeus’s sake, give me a break.

My mom had a book of poetry by Rod Mckuen called Listen to the Warm around the house when I was a kid. Rod Mckuen is a complete and utterly worthless poet and should have his fingers bitten off by large dogs in punishment for that drivel. I also think that the majority of Allen Ginsberg’s work is crap too. He was possibly the worst of the beat poets.

That would have totally worked.

The most recent translation is really good.

Wow, a few of my sacred cows are down and bleeding now. Milton? Spenser? Pound? Yikes.

Charge of the Light Brigade is enormously entertaining, but it is a very bad poem in even worse taste.

As for Dulce et Decorum Est, well, I’ll take Horace, please. I would leave Owen in the trench. Pretty much all of Owen.

Almost all of the Victorians. Little said about them is already too much.

After participating in many discussions like the ones above in various dorm rooms, coffee houses, wine and cheese parties, and even lengthy car-rides, I’ve come to the conclusion that the likes/dislikes of poetry say far more about the person holding them than the merit of the original writer.

It is rare, for example, to find a distinction between preference and appreciation in literary arguments. I have read nearly every poet mentioned in this thread (not that familiar with Billy Collins or Hart Crane), and whether or not I would pesonally return to a previously-read work of theirs, I would have no problem discovering and reading an unfamiliar piece by any of them. This is because in every case I appreciate the complexity and artistry of their work; I understand to an extent what they are trying to do, and find more often than not they successfully achieve their goals and expose me joyfully to new ideas.

To take an example, “Paradise Lost” is a difficult poem, and in an era where the emotional experience of poetry is tantamount, Milton’s intellectual and classically-inspired verse can come off as cold on a first reading. I certainly wouldn’t argue that a person must like it because of its status as a classic, but to dismiss it as “boring” is more an example of the critic applying the wrong standard and misunderstanding the attempt rather than an objective criticism of Milton. I’ve learned from Milton that there is delight in understanding a work intellectually, even if I’m not passionately moved by his protestant theology or, say, the psychological complexity of the demon arguments in book 2.

Something similar happens I think when people argue about movies. I recently spoke with someone who though “No Country for Old Men” was a bad film because it didn’t have the expected shoot-em-up ending, and I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve defended musicals against folks who “can’t believe anybody would just burst into song in the middle of the street”. In these cases I like to point out that, perhaps, the filmmakers were going for something other than the usual goals of an action picture or a strict sense of realism, and that such a myopic criticism excludes a lot of artistry one mightotherwise enjoy.

If that makes me one of the “nabobs of knowledge”, so be it; take this then as the most elegant bit of threadshitting you’ll ever see.

I agree with every word you say here, but I am perfectly comfortable with the idea that my preferences are a reflection of me and my tastes. That is what this is all about at its root. The idea that most of us can even presume to call a real poet “overrated” is bogus democratization at best.

Ezra Pound. What the hell’s he saying??

Gertrude Stein. What the goddamn is she saying!?!?