Ask the British Asian-Indian guy

Hi people, I’ve been lurking around the dope for the last 3 years, so I thought I’d register and introduce myself.

I’m a British guy based in Los Angeles. My parents moved from India to the UK in the 1960s and I was born there. Hence Asian-Indian tag.

If you have any questions please go ahead and ask. I’ll try my best to answer.

Questions about race, religion, British stuff, Indian stuff, politics, identity issues, my interactions with Americans, what they think of me, what I think of them, whatever floats your boat…

What do you think of Sheila Chandra and her music?

Do you use the expression ‘South Asian’ to describe people of Indian/Pakistani/etc descent?

Do you date/are you married to a non-South Asian person? If so, did your parents have a problem with it? Are South Asians as visible in LA as they are in, say, Vancouver or Toronto?

Do you partake in South Asian religion?

I have no questions, just wanted to introduce myself - I’m the American Asian-Indian girl. Hi! Welcome aboard!

Ok, maybe a couple. Do you speak Hindi? Where are you from in India? I’m Punjabi, speak Hindi/Punjabi, was raised here. I have visited India several times, though, and most of my family is t here.

:: waves Hi at Anaamika :: :slight_smile:

What do you think of Sheila Chandra and her music?

“Ever so lonely” is entertaining but cheesy. Never heard anything else of hers.

**Do you use the expression ‘South Asian’ to describe people of Indian/Pakistani/etc descent? **

Only when in the US. In UK. I would say Asian. In India I’m considered British! I tease my east Asian-Americans friends by saying that South Asians should be called “Interesting Asians” to differentiate them from the “Asians” (east Asians) as Americans know them.

**Do you date/are you married to a non-South Asian person? If so, did your parents have a problem with it? **

I’m single right now, but i’ve been on dates with almost every race or religion under the sun. My family has no problems with who I choose to date, but my family is more liberal than most Indian families. One of my brothers is married to a muslim. Many non-muslim Indian families wouldn’t accept that.

Are South Asians as visible in LA as they are in, say, Vancouver or Toronto?

I haven’t been to Vancouver or Toronto, but I heard there’s loads there. There’s a place in LA called Artesia which has many Indian stores.

On the whole South Asians are few and far between. I rarely saw any in downtown that actually lived there. The few that did were students renting apaprtments. As far as I know, many Indians live in the Inland Empire, in places like Diamond Bar, Riverside and Corona. I guess there’s other places too, like Culver City.

I now live in the South Bay, and rarely see Indians here whenever I go to a store or a mall.

Do you partake in South Asian religion?

Not really, my religious background is very mixed. Hindu father (from Muslim village), Sikh mother; I had a Christian education in UK. We had to pray in school and sing hymns every morning. I also went to Sunday school and studied the bible.

My father used to take me to the temple when I was young, and when I was around 8 or 9, I told him I didn’t want to go, He was fine with it. My late father was a very religious man, but he never pushed religion onto me or my brothers.

The only religious thing I take part in are Diwali. It’s an excuse to light fireworks and get drunk, so it’s a lot of fun. Apart from that, the only time you will ever see me in a religious place is at a wedding.

I don’t follow any dietary restrictions.

I consider myself agnostic, but I still say I’m Hindu if anybody asks.

There are many misconceptions about Indian culture from non-Indians. E.g. people think that many Indians are vegetarians, that’s not necessarily true. I’m a total carnivore. I also eat beef.

**Anaamika ** hi!

Do you speak Hindi? Where are you from in India?

I can’t speak Hindi, but I understand perhaps 50% of it. I’m Punjabi too. I speak Punjabi well enough to take care of myself in India.

Hmmm…I get bombarded with Indian questions, yet nothing about British stuff…

Do people consider me more Indian than British?

Well, my ancestors are all British, so I already know something about that… Indian, on the other hand, not so much. Or how the two cultures mix…

Most of us Brits are preparing for bed, I imagine. I’ll just ask the one question: what do you feel about Lord Tebbit’s cricket test? Both now and at the time.

Do you like Bally Sagoo and if you do, what similar artists would you recommend?

How have your experiences of the US differed from those of the UK, with particular relation to your race?

Does anyone in your family run a cornershop?

Coventry City last won the English football cup in what year?

To easy - even the Icelandic bloke knows that one :stuck_out_tongue:

1987

Well…that spoils the joke.

what do you feel about Lord Tebbit’s cricket test? Both now and at the time.

At the time it was, fuck this guy!

Now, I can understand where he’s coming from and I think that there’s nothing wrong with what he said. The thing is, if you’re a British Asian kid, and you know that India and Pakistan are good cricket teams, then you probably will back them. Opportunities to support a world class Asian sports team are very small, so of course they will go for the opportunity.

In my experience British-Pakistanis like cricket a lot more than British-Indians. Indians prefer football.

What he fails to recognise, is that many British-Asians are huge fans of the England football team, and travel to World Cups and European Championships to watch them. They also love athletes in other sports, like Steve Redgrave, Lewis Hamilton and Andy Murray.

**Do you like Bally Sagoo and if you do, what similar artists would you recommend? **

No. He’s crap. All he does is sample old songs and add an extra beat to them. I don’t actually like Bhangra music very much.:eek:

How have your experiences of the US differed from those of the UK, with particular relation to your race?

Different races perceive me in the different ways:

White-Americans who know me well consider me British. They look past the Indian thing and don’t bring it up. White-Americans who don’t know me are often confused. I’ve been called middle eastern and Iraqi in the past.

Black Americans love me for some reason, but I think that’s cos I grew up listening to hip-hop, R&B and Motown. A black friend of mine introduced me to a black friend of his as an honourary brother.

Hispanic people think I’m one of them half the time. I get people walking up to me and talking in Spanish all the time. The only Spanish I regularly speak is “No Habla Espanol”.

Asian-Americans don’t consider me British at all. The fact that I was born in UK, lived there all of my life. I remember a Korean guy saying to me that I “don’t look British”.

Indian-Americans think I’m Indian. They need to know my religion, what part of India my roots are in etc. They just have to know and can’t let that go.

I have been on dates with a few women who turned out to have “Indian fever”. I run a mile from those kind of women. I’ve also met women who are total Anglophiles too.

It seems to me that the average person in the street knows nothing about Indians. I’ve noticed that there’s an “Apu” or “IT” or “7-11” stereotype here. That’s all a bit of a mystery to me cos I simply don’t relate to any of that. Nearly every British Asian has a British accent. The British government stopped immigration from India in the late 60s/early 70s, and they don’t let people bring siblings and their kids over like the US. As a result, almost every Asian under 40 has a British accent. It’s rare to find a Indian guy with an Indian accent in UK who’s under 40, unless he’s a foreign worker.

Does anyone in your family run a cornershop?

No. Actually the number of Indians running cornershops has gone down a lot. The shopkeepers’ kids refuse to work in shops anymore. The kids are doctors, lawyers, IT people. They’ve no interest in working in a shop.

Coventry City last won the English football cup in what year?

1987! I missed that game, there was a bloody wedding on the same day!

**Ancient joke alert **:

Q. Why are Indians no good at football?

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A. Every time there’s a corner, they build a shop!

Same thing over here- I’m another one of those Indian Dopers. Though I was born and raised here in the states, though I’m from the other coast, and consider myself Southern at times, being born in Lynchburg, VA- home of Jerry Falwell.
But always nice to meet another brown dude.
:cool: Hello!

Interestingly enough, the majority of Indian people here under 40 are actually from India. :slight_smile:

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  1. Bally Sagoo is not Bhangra, as you said, he takes old beats and remixes them into new ones.
  2. You’re not Punjabi if you don’t like Bhangra! :wink:

Seriously, some of the best Bhangra groups are UK-based.

There’s too much hip-hop mixed into modern bhangra. I’d rather listen to real black musicians than wanabe black musicians.

Any recommendations?

:confused: Don’t listen to modern Bhangra, then. I listen to uber-traditional stuff, myself.

It’s…almost kind of insulting, really, for you to lump all Bhangra into “wanna-be black” because of a few tracks you may have heard.

Now, of course, I have to prove you wrong.

You can try:

Aao Gidha Paliye (starts out uber annoying but gets better. It’s really gidha, but it’s on the right track. (Come and Dance) Terrible link, but it’s the best I could find.

Tunak Tunak Tun - the awesomest song and video that ever existed :smiley: (No meaning)

Dhol Wajda (Beat of the Drum)

Amar Noorie is a bit older but she has some damn fine stuff. There’s a few tracks of hers on youtube but I can’t find her really good stuff and am too lazy to look.

Nacho Nacho (short a, it’s not the chip) (Dance Dance)

Tare gin gin - modern but I like it (I count the stars)

Mundey kendey titlee - a little more modern but certainly not rap (They call her ‘Butterfly’)

See, now you’ve interrupted me from what I was working on! I just can’t let a challenge like that go unanswered. If you hate all of these songs I will find more. Truth be told, the uber-traditional songs I just can’t find on youtube, but Sukshinder Singh has not sold out. Not all Bhangra has become modernized. Liek everything else, you have to search for your sounds.

Now if you just tell me you hate Bhangra, fair enough, I’ll go away, but the excuse you made is not true.

Anaamika

All of the acts you listed are from India. Apologies, but I was referrring to UK Bhangra groups and I forgot to mention that.

I don’t hate all bhangra, some stuff is good like Surjit Bhindrakhia, Gurdass Man, Harbhajhan Mann, B21 etc.