Driver's License Pic? No smiling in four states..

[jtgain]

Is this a joke? Have we come to the point in this country where honest-to-goodness smiling is illegal now?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...?se=yahoorefer

Anyone feel safer because they are forced not to smile at the DMV?

[Nicolas Bourbaki]

WTF? "Honest-to-goodness smiling" is not illegal, has not been made illegal, and will never be illegal. No one is "forced not to smile at the DMV". All this law is saying is that THE PICTURE ON YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE must have a neutral facial expression, for a very sensible reason.

[Captain Amazing]

The idea behind it, for those who don't want to read the article, is that states want to adopt facial recognition technology to prevent somebody from getting multiple drivers licenses under different names. In order to use the facial recognition technology, the picture being scanned needs to have a "neutral expression"....the person can't be smiling, for instance, because a non-neutral expression makes it harder for the facial recognition software to work.

[Rick]

But what if you were smiling in your previous DL photo?

[chacoguy]

Passport photos have had this requirement for quite awhile now for the same reason.

[Troy McClure SF]

Considering that an ID is supposed to, you know, ID people, a smiling picture is kinda silly, unless you walk around smiling all day like a nutbag.

[Boyo Jim]

If you're in Indiana or Arkansas, there is absolutely no reason to smile.

[Dung Beetle]

Pointless anecdote:

My brother once went to get his license photo taken on a day when he could only manage to open his eyes to half-mast. The lady taking the pictures asked him to open his eyes, please, so he squeezed his eyes tight shut a moment, then opened them as wide as they would go…click! Apparently this picture was acceptable, although it nearly made me piss myself laughing every time I looked at it. (Jim said that’s how he’d look if he actually got pulled over anyway).

Next time it was my turn to get my photo taken, I tried for the bulging eyeball look, but the lady made me retake the picture and quit fooling around.

[BrotherCadfael]

My first day on the job at a Major Federal Agency, my paperwork had gotten screwed up somehow. So, they had me step out of line and sit down in the lobby while they processed all the other new hires. After a while, a woman was also kicked out of line and joined me. Her problem was that she was congenitally unable to keep her eyes open during a flash photograph, and they couldn't get a good photo (ie: eyes open) for her ID badge. After a half dozen attempts they had her sit with me until everyone else was finished.

Eventually, my paperwork got straightened out, and, everyone having been processed, she went back to the camera. It took nearly twenty tries, but they finally got one with her eyes far enough open to qualify. What a charlie-fox!

About a month after we were hired, they moved to a different badge style, and we all had to have our pictures re-taken (this was long before digital cameras!). We were dating at that point (shared experiences and all!), so we went down together. Yep, another couple of dozen shots to get her done right!

[Freddy the Pig]

I suppose next they'll pass a law saying that we aren't allowed to smile during prostate exams or root canal surgery either.

[Captain Carrot]

Originally Posted by BrotherCadfael

so we went down together.

Am I the only one who sniggered at this?

No, I don't have anything valuable to contribute to this discussion right now.

[Jettboy]

I had a good buddy back when I was in my early 20s who made a point of looking as drunk as possible in his Drivers License photo (slamming a beer and smoking a 'J' before going into the DMV helped get the proper expression).

His rationale was if you were ever pulled over for DWI/DUI the cop would think you always looked shitfaced.

[Rhythmdvl]

Originally Posted by Troy McClure SF

Considering that an ID is supposed to, you know, ID people, a smiling picture is kinda silly, unless you walk around smiling all day like a nutbag.

I've got Delta Dental!

[DSYoungEsq]

Originally Posted by BrotherCadfael

We were dating at that point (shared experiences and all!), so we went down together. Yep, another couple of dozen shots to get her done right!

I am sooooooooooooooooooooooo not going to go there.

[RaftPeople]

Originally Posted by Boyo Jim

If you're in Indiana or Arkansas, there is absolutely no reason to smile.

+1, funny

[Bryan Ekers]

My current photo has me bearded, for the simple reason that I can't wear a beard normally because my membership in the Army reserve. I didn't have to show up between December 15th and January 14th (more or less) so I stopped shaving, got the license renewed on the 13th or so, shaved the next day and went back to work.

I wanted a permanent official record of how much facial hair I can grow in one month. Quite a bit, it turns out.

[descamisado]

Originally Posted by Captain Carrot

Am I the only one who sniggered at this?

No, I don't have anything valuable to contribute to this discussion right now.

Yes, and it continued with "get her done right!"

[Lord Mondegreen]

I got my first Australian passport in 1972, and the rules required a neutral expression. When I renewed it smiling was allowed. Now we are back to neutral expression.

Even disregarding facial recognition software issues, neutral expression is probably a sensible requirement. How many of us are smiling when pulled over by the police or when presenting our passports to immigration officers? I know I'm not smiling in those situations.

[Markxxx]

I have my head shaved for my DL photo. I have a full head of hair and people always look at me like "Hmmm is that a toupee?"

[gigi]

Originally Posted by Freddy the Pig

I suppose next they'll pass a law saying that we aren't allowed to smile during prostate exams

Yep, but you can still sing "Moon River".

[Savannah]

I just renewed my driver's licence and for the picture, I had to remove my glasses and have a "neutral expression". No smiling please, in BC, Canada.

[amarinth]

Originally Posted by jtgain

Anyone feel safer because they are forced not to smile at the DMV?

Actually much less so. If all someone has to do to thwart face recognition is smile, the whole system has come into question for me.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by Troy McClure SF

Considering that an ID is supposed to, you know, ID people, a smiling picture is kinda silly, unless you walk around smiling all day like a nutbag.

Am I allowed to frown? I do, all day, walk around frowning like a grouch.

One thing that bugged me was when I got a license in Ohio one time, and they made me take my glasses off for the photo. Um, look, I'm required to wear glasses to drive, my glasses are on my face from somewhere about 5 seconds after I wake up until somewhere about 5 seconds before I go to sleep, but having my glasses in my picture is going to inhibit a cop from telling that it's me?

What's next? Telling me I can't wear my beard? I need to trim my bangs?

[The Tao's Revenge]

Originally Posted by Frank

What's next? Telling me I can't wear my beard? I need to trim my bangs?

Depends. Have they grown down over your eyes so you can't see to drive?

[Tapioca Dextrin]

You can still smile in Florida

[Vinyl Turnip]

Originally Posted by Captain Amazing

The idea behind it, for those who don't want to read the article, is that states want to adopt facial recognition technology to prevent somebody from getting multiple drivers licenses under different names.

And the ONLY thing they'll use the technology for, I'm sure. Rest easy and resume your lives, citizens! We're in control.

[Snowboarder Bo]

You can smile in Nevada. The Nevada DMV clarified this in today's newspaper.

Originally Posted by LVRJ

Tom Jacobs, a DMV spokesman in Carson City, said the new equipment has a hard time matching photos with others in its database if people smile in an exaggerated way. But a normal smile is fine, he said.

USA Today: that shitty paper they shove under your door at hotels, which you then throw away without even opening.