The Declaration of Independence states:
and the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution states:
Both of these state that people have the right to live and not be aborted. Much like slavery does abortion contradict these principles?
The Declaration of Independence is not a legal document, and the Continental Congress was talking about men, not women and children.
The Tenth Amendment says nothing of the sort.
“Men” is often a shorthand term for people.
It says the rights of people not delegated by the Constitution are given individuals.
The really tricky bit is convincing everybody that fetuses are people. Not just third trimester fetuses, mind you - all of them, even the ones without hearts or spines or brains.
Once you finish that, you then have to find legal support for not killing people in the constitution. It’s probably in the bit that lets states make laws against murder.
Dred Scott V. Sanford
Plassey V. Ferguson
Both of these cases were decided by the Court was this the morally correct and rights decision?
It is now. Didn’t used to be.
But it doesn’t say anything about life or abortion.
The right to live is a fundamental right.
Fetuses aren’t people. That’s the end of it.
I’m sure Southern planters agree with you had you subsituted blacks for fetuses.
That may be true, but neither of the documents you cited establishes it as a legal principle.
They’d probably also agree with him if he’d substituted “patio furniture” for fetuses.
Look, chum. Some of us don’t buy that fetuses are people. You’ve done squat to change our minds. False equivalencies that assume we already accept that fetuses are people ain’t going to help you much.
Would you abort Hitler?
Would you, could you at the Saenger?
Would you, could you with a coat hanger?
No I would try to reform him as a child or failing that put him in a nuthouse.
Neither of those are alive at all.
We can argue 'til Hell freezes,
but laws aren’t made by Baby Jesus.
Dude, he’s just not going to get it. Give up.
(Even I got it, and I never read the book, so if he didn’t get it he’s not gonna. Plus his response about them not being alive was downright nonsensical.)
I wonder why he hasn’t responded to my posts? Hmm, I wonder…
So fuckin’ what? I’m sure Hitler would agree with your thread title if you substituted “Letting Jews live” for “Abortion” and “the destiny of Germany” for “the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.” That’s because when you start substituting words, you change the fuckin’ meaning.
It’s horrifyingly insulting and racist to compare a grown black person to a white fetus, you know. (Or to a black fetus, but if we’re twisting what one another says, let’s go whole hog).
Then why couldn’t women vote?
So, what about the rights of a woman to control of her own body?
Who counts more as a person - an adult or a couple of cells? How about a fetus with no brain activity yet? When individuals die there is are death certificates and sometimes autopsies. When a few cells don’t make it, as is very often the case, no one knows. Even if the woman does know, no death report needs to be filed.
Where do you draw the line? After fertilization and before implantation? At quickening? When there is brain activity? Do you want to ban birth control pills also? IUDs?
People were ignorant back then but we have improved and given more rights to more people.
I place it at conception so birth control yes morning after pills no. Also I support abortion if the mother’s life is at risk but otherwise the mother will not die from not having an abortion so I think the right to live is superior to the right of convenience.
Why?
Why is this permissible?