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Old 10-06-2009, 06:47 PM
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Movies/Shows you wish other things had happened in. OPEN SPOILERS

In My Best Friend's Wedding, I, personally, wish the guy had wound up with Julia Robert's character.

In Buffy The Vampire Slayer (the show), I watch the early episodes and always say to myself "Now why didn't they ever have Xander and Willow become a constant couple?" That would have been nice. I think they would have deserved that.
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:42 PM
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From almost the opening scene, while watching Blair Witch I kept hoping that those jerks who were the stars of the movie would get killed by the witch and some more sympathetic characters would appear.
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:49 PM
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From almost the opening scene, while watching Blair Witch I kept hoping that those jerks who were the stars of the movie would get killed by the witch and some more sympathetic characters would appear.
Well, you got half your wish....
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:13 PM
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First of all, Ducky should have gotten Molly Ringwald in Pretty in Pink.

And I thought The Notebook would have been better if the Ryan Gosling character turned out to have died at some point and the James Garner character was some other guy (maybe the guy she had been with) and he read her stories to her anyway because he knew Gosling was her real love.

Oh crap, I think I'm in danger of losing my "Man Card."
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:25 PM
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I wish that chick in The Blair Witch Project had not filmed that huge wad of snot hanging out of her nose cuz, seriously, that's like the most disgusting thing I ever saw. EVER. Just thinking about it makes me want to hurl.

Phoebe never shoulda married that guy Mike in Friends. What the hell was that about?

I wish that the four chicks in Sex and the City had not all turned out to be basically the same person in the end. Not that I really cared much about that show but I appreciated the fact that the women were different and wanted different things until it turned out that they, in fact, all wanted exactly the same thing and they all got the same thing at the end. All wrapped up with a pretty little bow and a cherry on top. Jesus.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:25 PM
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At the End of Maverick, Mel Gibson is in a high-stakes, draw poker game. He has the ten-through-king of spades, draws one card, doesn't look at it, and bets all this chips. (There's an earlier scene where he tests whether he can will himself to find the ace of spades in a deck, just by wanting it enough. It doesn't work.)

Of course, at the end, he does get the ace*, makes his royal flush, and wins the game. (As in all movie poker games, the other players have great hands, too.) Up to that point, the movie had been all twists and turns, cons and surprises. It was wrong to end it with something that appeared to be mythical, almost supernatural. But if they had to end it that way, it should have been the nine of spades. Still a straight flush, still the winning hand, but it would have been a surprise.

There is another possibility. The dealer was shown to be cheating, dealing from the bottom to one of the other players. Mel makes a point of asking for his card off the top. If the deck was loaded (the only reason to deal from the bottom) perhaps the ace was deliberately on top, so the dealer could ensure Mel didn't get it by accident.

On preview: Hey, two James Garner movies in a row.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:48 PM
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In the first season of "24", Jack's wife should not have been killed. Jack should have been able to save her. Nina should have been killed.

In "Babylon 5", when an actor became unavailable, the character should not have been written out, the role should have been recast and the character continued along the originally intended path. The show suffered greatly because of the rewrites necessitated through the loss of the Sinclar and Ivanova characters. Also, the show should not have been prematurely wrapped up at the end of the fourth season (done because the writer/creator wasn't sure at that time if he'd get a chance to do the fifth season). Because of that, the fifth season ended up an aimless mess.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:58 PM
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I could probably make a long list for Xena: Warrior Princess, which went from being my favorite show to something I watched if I wasn't busy to something I actively avoided because it made me angry. I think a big part of the problem was that a lot of the NZ behind-the-scenes people and some of the supporting actors left to work on the Lord of the Rings films, and the production company was bought out by another studio and a lot of the original writers were replaced.

IMHO things began to go wrong with the "Rosemary's Baby" storyline in season three. Whoever thought it was a good idea to give Gabrielle a demon child needs to be smacked upside the head a few times.

At the end of season four, the writers should have either decided that this was the end of the show and they were going to end on a very dark note, or that they wanted to continue for another couple of seasons. They should not have ended the season with the brutal onscreen death of both heroines only to magically bring them back to life after the summer vacation. This wasn't even a case of "it just looked like they died", they really and truly died and went to heaven but came back again.

I was fine with Xena's occasional encounters with the Israelites, but a show loosely based on Greek mythology should not have introduced Christian angels and devils as major parts of the story. Speaking of which, here's another bit of advice for the writers: if your show is based on Greek mythology, your viewers probably don't want to see the heroine personally wipe out the Greek pantheon.

Sometime during the 4th or 5th season the writers also forgot that if you want to have a comedy episode, it should actually be funny.

Xena's baby was probably unavoidable due to Lucy Lawless's real-life pregnancy, but the "send Xena and Gabrielle 25 years into the future so the baby will be grown up" thing was a lazy and stupid way to get around child care issues. It also effectively eliminated most of the supporting characters.

I'm still upset about the ugly and manipulative way Xena was killed off in the final episode. First they made it seem right up until the last minute like Xena would be brought back to life yet again, then the reason given for why she had to stay dead 1) came out of nowhere and 2) undermined the message of the entire series. Rather than being told that bad people can redeem themselves through changing their lives and helping others, the show ended with Xena saying she had to die to make up for an event from her past, one so important that it had never been mentioned in any previous episodes, and that had really been an accident anyway.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:20 PM
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I have no problems with the way the Sinclair/Sheridan story played out in Babylon 5, but they damn sure should have given Claudia Christian the money she asked for and kept her around for season 5.

Which should have been done completely differently than the lackluster season 5 we got.


Xander should have married Anya. I still don't get why they didn't play that one out.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:33 PM
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David shouldn't have freaked out and destroyed those other android kids in A.I. And he shouldn't have been limited to just one great day with his "mom" at the end.

Han always shot first.

Jar Jar should never have appeared at all.

Aragorn shouldn't have mauled Arwen like that at his coronation.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:36 PM
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In Annie Hall I wished they'd gotten back together.
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Old 10-06-2009, 10:07 PM
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In Original Trek's "City on the Edge of Forever"-Kirk could have saved Edith-all he needed to do was subsequently tell her the truth, get her to stay low and work her humanitarian magic behind the scenes, and not interfere with the timeline. Letting her die was callous and pointless. Cut to present day bridge scene, Kirk gets duty roster from vaguely familiar yeoman-Spock confirms she is Edith's GGGG granddaughter. Fade to credits.
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Old 10-06-2009, 10:45 PM
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I wish Brother Justin in Carnivale hadn't gone 100% evil so quickly, and at the same time, I wish that when he did go evil, he had been able to accomplish some seriously devastating things rather than the middling evil things he did.

I also wish Tommy Dolan had been used better in the second season....literally, used, by Iris. They had this great triangle going for a little while, with both Tommy and Iris using each other to get to Justin, Tommy pretending to be interested in her to get access to Justin for his story, Iris pretending to be interested in him to keep him around for Justin's career. Their scenes together in the first season had electricity -- they were both putting on an act, and they both knew the other was faking, but they couldn't call each other on it. I thought that was so much fun.

And to be honest, I wish the creepy, creepy tension between Justin and Iris had been taken further, and that it was done plausibly and consistently, rather than forced too soon and then abandoned.

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Old 10-07-2009, 04:13 AM
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Not to be a bore, but I don't see why spoilers are open in this thread. It's fine for threads dedicated to one movie or one show, but it's unlikely that you'll know all the references or key scenes that'll pop up in this one.
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:20 AM
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Xander should have married Anya. I still don't get why they didn't play that one out.
Hell yes.
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Old 10-07-2009, 08:58 AM
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Anyone remember the HBO series Dream On?
Martin (Brian Benben) spent most of the series trying to win back the affections of his ex-wife Judith (Wendie Malick), who consistently treated him like crap.

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In the end, he did get her back. The final episode was their (re-)wedding day, and I kept waiting for Martin to realize that he didn't truly want this awful woman; he just needed closure and to move on with his life.
Nope. They got married. Everybody's happy. Series over. Bleagh.

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Old 10-07-2009, 09:02 AM
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In Original Trek's "City on the Edge of Forever"-Kirk could have saved Edith-all he needed to do was subsequently tell her the truth, get her to stay low and work her humanitarian magic behind the scenes, and not interfere with the timeline. Letting her die was callous and pointless. Cut to present day bridge scene, Kirk gets duty roster from vaguely familiar yeoman-Spock confirms she is Edith's GGGG granddaughter. Fade to credits.
But how did they know that would have worked? Besides, even though that ending would have been nicer for them, it sure as hell would have been pretty dull and lackluster for the audience.
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Old 10-07-2009, 09:36 AM
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Actually, the real reason they didn't use that ending for "The City on the Edge of Forever" is that Harlan Ellison would have shown up on the Enterprise and killed everyone on board.
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Old 10-07-2009, 09:50 AM
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In Buffy The Vampire Slayer (the show), I watch the early episodes and always say to myself "Now why didn't they ever have Xander and Willow become a constant couple?" That would have been nice. I think they would have deserved that.
Why do you hate Xander and Willow? Or have you forgotten what Joss does to happy couples?
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:31 AM
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Hm. There's two ways to approach this: stuff you wish happened for story or emotional reasons, and stuff you wished happened for artistic reasons. On the former, I could name a fair few, but most are just "I liked X character, so I wish Y nice thing happened to them."

On the latter, two really come to mind:

I wish Futurama's constant wobbling between life and death hadn't forced the creators to reneg on the original final scene, which was absolutely beautiful. Fry expressing his hope for the future as best he can, and Leela finally understand that he's not just infatuated with her, but genuinely willing to do anything he can to make her happy. Really, really touching stuff from writers who really mastered the art of juxtaposing the comic with the maudlin. Still, I was glad for the resurrection because I wanted more Futurama. And now they have to reneg on their SECOND final scene, which was ALSO pretty darn good (if not AS good).

And on a literary note, I've always HATED the ending of Jackson's The Haunting of Hill House. I've always thought the vastly superior ending would have been for Eleanor to leave the house, return to her normal, dreadful life, and never really understand what had happened. The ending as it is is just so predictable and cathartic. I feel it really clashes with the sense of truly mysterious, illogical fear and danger that permeates the rest of the book.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:39 PM
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Because of that, the fifth season ended up an aimless mess.
I have to defend season five a bit. Yes the season was uneven and had the worst episodes of the show, the Psiwhiners being the worst of the lot. But the episodes that concentrated on the rise and fall of Londo Mollari and the Centauri war were some of the best in the show. Those episodes alone redeem the fifth season.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:55 PM
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The Torah just -- ends. Moses doesn't even get a last word with his Boss. He delivers a poem/song and blesses the people, then wanders back to the wilderness. He should have had a close-up, reality-TV-confessional type soliloquy.

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Old 10-07-2009, 01:11 PM
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In Season 6 of Buffy, Willow went off the rails in Season Six due to her arrogance and abuse of magic for personal gain, not for some stupid magic equals drugs crap. You may recall a scene where Giles warned her about the amount of dark magic she used in the resurrection spell, and she said, basically, "maybe you should be scared of me". THAT'S what led to her crisis and subsequent redemption. And then she totally flipped out when

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Tara was killed.
Much better than Marti Noxon working out her personal issues on screen.

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Old 10-07-2009, 01:26 PM
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Xena's baby was probably unavoidable due to Lucy Lawless's real-life pregnancy, but the "send Xena and Gabrielle 25 years into the future so the baby will be grown up" thing was a lazy and stupid way to get around child care issues. It also effectively eliminated most of the supporting characters.
Season 5 was dreadful. Especially when considering season 4 was a near perfect season. Was it not possible to wait until Lucy Lawless had given birth to resume production?

Speaking of, I thought it was interesting to read that Peter Jackson asked her to audition for the part of Galadriel for The Lord of the Rings (several Xena cast and crew were in and/or apart of the film) but she turned it down because she didn't want to stall production because of her pregnancy. Its too bad, she could be a big star if she wanted to; she's been offered a lot of A-list roles and turns them all down. Not bad for a girl in New Zealand who worked in a gold miner.

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Old 10-07-2009, 01:34 PM
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Oh and also in Buffy, Dawn should have died. Something gruesome, like, say, decapitation.
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Old 10-07-2009, 01:35 PM
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If I can expand things a bit to books that will eventually be movies, there was something I posted in the "What do you want to see in Harry Potter 7?" thread we had before the book came out.

In the HP world, certain teenagers learned amazing magic at Hogwart's, or developed whole new spells. Harry's dad and his friends created the Marauder's Map, Snape invented new dueling spells and perfected the potions textbook (makes me wonder why he never wrote his own textbook, actually), and of course Tom Riddle was doing all sorts of stuff that didn't show up in the regular classes.

Hermione Granger was the cleverest witch of her generation, and yet we never saw her do anything but stuff everyone was being taught. In the last book, I wanted her to pull out some stuff that would cause a few deatheaters to stain their robes. Something you'd only expect to see from someone in Dumbledore's power class. Calling lightning from the sky would have been good.
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:49 PM
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I wish Brother Justin in Carnivale hadn't gone 100% evil so quickly, and at the same time, I wish that when he did go evil, he had been able to accomplish some seriously devastating things rather than the middling evil things he did.
I know - wouldn't it have been so much creepier and more affecting if he had never known he was evil? If he had thought he was doing God's will the whole time? Instead of being dumb and boring?
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Old 10-07-2009, 03:11 PM
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I wish we would have gotten to see the aliens in "Contact."
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Old 10-07-2009, 03:18 PM
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Casino Royale should not have played poker. No Bond would ever play poker. It should have been baccarat or some other gentleman's game instead of trying to appeal to dumb American audiences.

Contact isn't about aliens, BKReporter; in actuality, it's about humans. And the way they deal with the news. I wish we had gotten to the aliens, too, but they were almost a McGuffin, to be honest. (I only read the book).
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Old 10-07-2009, 03:47 PM
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In Return of the King, Frodo should not have sent Sam away when Gollum accused him of eating all their food and wanting the ring for himself. Come on, Frodo, you've known Sam for how many years? And you're letting this stupid schizophrenic half-man creature that you've known for maybe two weeks tell you that Sam is the bad apple?? You're an idiot.

I know that eventually Frodo realizes he's screwed up, but goddamn. That scene makes me so angry I literally have to leave the room every time it comes on.
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:54 PM
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If I can expand things a bit to books that will eventually be movies, there was something I posted in the "What do you want to see in Harry Potter 7?" thread we had before the book came out.

In the HP world, certain teenagers learned amazing magic at Hogwart's, or developed whole new spells. Harry's dad and his friends created the Marauder's Map, Snape invented new dueling spells and perfected the potions textbook (makes me wonder why he never wrote his own textbook, actually), and of course Tom Riddle was doing all sorts of stuff that didn't show up in the regular classes.

Hermione Granger was the cleverest witch of her generation, and yet we never saw her do anything but stuff everyone was being taught. In the last book, I wanted her to pull out some stuff that would cause a few deatheaters to stain their robes. Something you'd only expect to see from someone in Dumbledore's power class. Calling lightning from the sky would have been good.
Hermoine, however, was not imaginative. She could learn anything and do it well...but I don't see her coming up with something completely new and effective. Maybe when she is older...
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Old 10-07-2009, 07:47 PM
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In Original Trek's "City on the Edge of Forever"-Kirk could have saved Edith-all he needed to do was subsequently tell her the truth, get her to stay low and work her humanitarian magic behind the scenes, and not interfere with the timeline. Letting her die was callous and pointless. Cut to present day bridge scene, Kirk gets duty roster from vaguely familiar yeoman-Spock confirms she is Edith's GGGG granddaughter. Fade to credits.
Actually, Kirk could have had everything by just taking Edith back to the future with him. Yeah, I know, how would he get her to the future given that the Guardian would only bring Kirk, Spock and McCoy back when the timeline was fixed. So have Spock build a stasis box out of stone knives and bearskins, hide it in a cave, and then Kirk could retrieve her later.
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Old 10-07-2009, 08:50 PM
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So have Spock build a stasis box out of stone knives and bearskins, hide it in a cave, and then Kirk could retrieve her later.
Dammit Jim, I'm Spock, not MacGuyver! Now if I only had a paperclip, two rubber bands and some chewing gum!
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:06 AM
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In Return of the King, Frodo should not have sent Sam away when Gollum accused him of eating all their food and wanting the ring for himself. Come on, Frodo, you've known Sam for how many years? And you're letting this stupid schizophrenic half-man creature that you've known for maybe two weeks tell you that Sam is the bad apple?? You're an idiot.

I know that eventually Frodo realizes he's screwed up, but goddamn. That scene makes me so angry I literally have to leave the room every time it comes on.
I won't watch that scene either. It's the main change that pisses me right off about Jackson's LOTR.
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:34 AM
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Xander should have married Anya. I still don't get why they didn't play that one out.
Because Whedon, for all his strengths doesn't have a clue as to how to:
A) deal with characters changing and growing in any substantial way and
B) can't write long-term relationships (or healthy ones)
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Old 10-08-2009, 11:00 AM
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Because Whedon, for all his strengths doesn't have a clue as to how to:
A) deal with characters changing and growing in any substantial way and
B) can't write long-term relationships (or healthy ones)
I think that not marrying Xander is what finally gave Anya the opportunity to change and grow and discover who she was rather than just becoming "his missus."

As for Xander, I think he called off the wedding because the visions of the future that he had, although fake, made him realize that he wasn't ready to get married.

And I think that Joss could probably write any type of relationship. Didn't the married couple on Firefly have a good relationship?
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Old 10-08-2009, 11:30 AM
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And I think that Joss could probably write any type of relationship. Didn't the married couple on Firefly have a good relationship?
Well, yeah... movie spoiler ahead.
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Until he killed Wash off for no real good reason other than 'people die' - he got a harpoon or something through his chest right after he pulls off a successful crash landing, fleeing the Reavers.
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Old 10-08-2009, 11:51 AM
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LMAO! Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.
That movie was awesome! I'ma watch that again.
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Old 10-08-2009, 12:02 PM
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In My Best Friend's Wedding, I, personally, wish the guy had wound up with Julia Robert's character.
Having the Dermot Mulroney character end up with Jules would utterly ruin the movie, the point of which was that Jules was being a jackass. MBFW was, in a way, a deconstruction of romantic comedies, in that it concedes--it HIGHLIGHTS--that the kinds of things characters do in such movies to win their lovers' hearts are, in fact, horrible and wrong.

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Old 10-08-2009, 12:06 PM
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Well, yeah... movie spoiler ahead.
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Until he killed Wash off for no real good reason other than 'people die' - he got a harpoon or something through his chest right after he pulls off a successful crash landing, fleeing the Reavers.
I was going to say this too. Joss can be a real asshole.
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Old 10-08-2009, 12:11 PM
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David shouldn't have freaked out and destroyed those other android kids in A.I. And he shouldn't have been limited to just one great day with his "mom" at the end.
My change for that film - if we don't go with ending where he pleads with the Blue Fairy until the ocean freezes - would be him opting not to see his mother and essentially 'destroy her soul' if he did. If he could realize the implications of his action, that would be an understanding implying maturity, growth, learning. But after those thousands of years, he was still stuck in his programming, a Pinocchio who wanted something unique to be destroyed for the sake of one day with her.

Alternately, the original ending is good, but it is not by any means happy, and not because he only got one day.

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Old 10-08-2009, 12:18 PM
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Having the Dermot Mulroney character end up with Jules would utterly ruin the movie, the point of which was that Jules was being a jackass. MBFW was, in a way, a deconstruction of romantic comedies, in that it concedes--it HIGHLIGHTS--that the kinds of things characters do in such movies to win their lovers' hearts are, in fact, horrible and wrong.
Agreed. Jules was a narcissistic, self-serving wretch; Kimmy was a sincere, devoted young woman who deserved happiness. Just because she was !perky! and !rich! didn't mean she wasn't the right match for Dermot.
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Old 10-08-2009, 12:28 PM
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Casino Royale should not have played poker. No Bond would ever play poker. It should have been baccarat or some other gentleman's game instead of trying to appeal to dumb American audiences.
You have to admit that the strategy and tension involved in Texas hold'em adds a little depth to what would have been an otherwise horribly boring game of baccarat, which relies almost entirely on chance.
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Old 10-08-2009, 12:46 PM
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Having the Dermot Mulroney character end up with Jules would utterly ruin the movie, the point of which was that Jules was being a jackass. MBFW was, in a way, a deconstruction of romantic comedies, in that it concedes--it HIGHLIGHTS--that the kinds of things characters do in such movies to win their lovers' hearts are, in fact, horrible and wrong.
The whole POINT of "My Best Friend's Wedding" is that Julia Roberts can't end up marrying her "best friend". She does all the stupid rom-com stuff that would get you punched in the face in real life, and IT DOESN'T WORK, and in the end she realizes she's been a jackass.
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The whole POINT of "My Best Friend's Wedding" is that Julia Roberts can't end up marrying her "best friend". She does all the stupid rom-com stuff that would get you punched in the face in real life, and IT DOESN'T WORK, and in the end she realizes she's been a jackass.


How does the meaning of what you wrote substantially differ from the meaning of what I wrote?

And Jules does come close to getting punched out by Kimmy--in front of witnesses, all of whom would have testified the the police that Jules started it.
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You have to admit that the strategy and tension involved in Texas hold'em adds a little depth to what would have been an otherwise horribly boring game of baccarat, which relies almost entirely on chance.
That's if they didn't script it so horribly. I think they should have had all the guys play poker. Film the whole thing and just edit it down to fit the movie ESPN style. That would have been bad ass.
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...Not bad for a girl in New Zealand who worked in a gold miner.
She probably left because it was too crowded in there.
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I won't watch that scene either. It's the main change that pisses me right off about Jackson's LOTR.
I always thought that Frodo half realized Sam would never do such a thing he was just looking for an excuse to send Sam away in the slight hope Sam would make it home.

Kind of like when someone has to shoo off a beloved pet by telling them they hate them because they know otherwise the pet will keep following them and get hurt.
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You have to admit that the strategy and tension involved in Texas hold'em adds a little depth to what would have been an otherwise horribly boring game of baccarat, which relies almost entirely on chance.
I HATE POKER

....but I suppose you're right. Still, there are other gentleman's games they could have played.

But to be honest, that wasn't really a Bond movie, not as I have come to think of them. Daniel Craig was no gentleman. And he was a blonde. Too many things bothered me about that movie. It was a decent movie in its own right....but not a Bond.
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Casino Royale should not have played poker. No Bond would ever play poker. It should have been baccarat or some other gentleman's game instead of trying to appeal to dumb American audiences.
In fairness, at the time the film was made, Texas Hold'em poker had gone through a popularity phase, with tournaments on TV, and would be familiar to a lot of people internationally--not just Americans. However, I'd guess that baccarat, while an extremely simple game, would be unfamiliar to many people. IIRC, Ian Fleming explained the rules of baccarat in the book Casino Royale (which is where I learned how to play it), but I'm unsure how well Fleming's explanation would have translated to the movie without causing a break in the action. Playing poker in the movie was a good solution: as in the book, the audience observes a tense card game; unlike the book, the majority of the audience understand the game without instruction.
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