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Update on my bad loan: it changed from "late 31-120 days" to "default" some time in the last day or so. Not sure whether there's any chance of ever collecting anything on that. There's one more status to go, "Charged off" which I guess is when they completely give up.
This was a medical expense loan (bearing out Chessic Sense's analysis that those are bad luck). I think I have one other medical loan, that is still performing OK but IIRC it's a higher grade. |
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So, in a nutshell, the payment I received on 10/27 was for a loan scheduled to be paid on 10/22, and the payment I show that was due on 10/26 is still showing a status of processing. Based on your experience, I should probably actually see the 83 cent payment for this loan credited to my account on 11/1. Also, as mentioned the other day, I have a loan with a payment scheduled for 10/28 in the amount of $1.61, showing a status of processing which, if things hold to what I'm expecting, should be credited to my account on 11/3. At this point I'm wondering why more people don't trade on Lending Club's secondary market FOLIOfn. I'm receiving payments even though I signed up only a week ago, whereas main Lending Club lenders have to first wait for the loan they've invested in to become funded, and then another month before the first payment becomes due. I keep thinking I'm missing something, but haven't, as yet, determined what it could be. |
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Okay, it's been two weeks since I signed up with Lending Club and began trading on their secondary market Foliofn. Here's where I stand and what I've learned. I've received payments on 6 of the 8 original loan notes I purchased two weeks ago, totaling $8.83, of which $1.08 is interest. The reason for this is most of the loans I purchased were due to be paid within two weeks after purchase, one of which was due the day I purchased it. All loan payments that were due have now been paid. The next loan I have with a payment due will be November 8 which, as Mama Zappa advised, and I have since confirmed, will take four business days to process, so I'll probably see that payment in my account on November 12. I currently have accrued interest in the amount of $3.03, which is amount of interest I will receive, across all loans over the next 30 days if none go into arrears or I don't purchase any additional notes. As someone advised earlier, when you receive a payment, Lending Club takes 1 percent off the top, so if your payment is 84 cents, you get 83 cents and Lending Club gets 1 cent. What they don't tell you is that 1 percent fee is rounded up. One of my recent payments was for $3.86, however, I received $3.82 because Lending Club took 4 cents. Because you're charged on every payment over the course of a loan, depending on its term, this practice nets Lending Club more than the 1 percent they claim. So in the case of my $3.86 loan, over the course of a 36 month term, Lending Club will actually take $1.44 instead of $1.39 as they round up after each payment, and not based on the term. Is it a big deal? No, not really, but if you have hundreds of loans open with Lending club those few pennies per loan that you're losing over the term will begin to add up. One thing I learned with trading with Foliofn is you have to be very careful about the discount/markup. Purchasing a loan at a discount will allow you to realize a better return than average. The challenge there is the one of the reasons the loan may be sold at a discount is because the sellers are concerned the borrower may be preparing to default. In many cases, you will have no choice, if you want loans that are only good payers, to purchase at a slight markup. The challenge there is your return may be slightly less than what the original principal and interest value is at the point of sale. Loan notes with a markup generally have a much lower chance to default than those with a discount, but this could mean the difference of realizing 3% interest over the term instead of 9% the face value would suggest. The bottom line is it definitely pays to spend a little more time analyzing and crunching the numbers of any loan purchased on Foliofn. More again soon. Last edited by Onomatopoeia; 11-06-2010 at 10:48 AM. |
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Regarding the penny-rounding issue, supposedly on the last payment of the loan, a balloon payment is made and the accounting is a little bit different to account for that. So if your loan survives for the full term, it supposedly all balances out in the end.
I've got an appointment to talk with Jeff Migneault again on Monday. He's supposed to convince me not to take my ball and go home because I have fears that Lending Club may be going under soon. When that happens, I'll come back and tell you guys what he said. |
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Chessic, are you able to simply get all of your money back that's in existing loans? How would you go about doing this?
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Talked with Jeff
I can't dig up a cite right now, but I was poking around the internet and found some blogs that were cautioning that if LC went under, that it would take all our loans with it. And with three million in losses this summer (again, citeless), I was afraid that their cash reserves were getting low.
Jeff has told me that's not the case, however. He said that if Lending Club were to have absolutely no revenue stream...that is, if they didn't collect a dime from anybody...they have enough cash to keep them in business for the next four years. The business model was to turn profitable this year. But in April or May, a venture capitalist dropped a bunch of cash on them, so they've spent all that cash expanding, and are therefore at a deficit again. They plan to turn profitable by next year, he says. From March 09 to March 10, they lost $10 million. I got that from their SEC filings available on their site. But it appears they have enough assets to last a while. In other news, future development projects include cleaning up the trading platform so that the filters are more useful and actually function. Jeff told me that the best way to get changes made is to use the feedback button on the site. So that's the jist of it. With the interest rates lowered, I don't know if I'm actually going to keep investing or not. But I'm not worried about them walking with our money anymore. |
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Depends on your definition of "simply". I could just sell the loans on the trading platform. Supposedly, they'll sell quickly. But I would just wait for the loans to run out over the next 3/5 years.
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I wonder when that'll be. As someone who uses the trading platform exclusively, I concur that their filters are weak, and that's an understatement.
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Any updates from anyone? Nothing exciting here; my bad loan is still bad; one other that had made partial prepayments just paid in full; am about to invest in the 30th (roughly) loan, which will put me very close to enough monthly income to fund a new loan each month with no cash infusions.
One that I funded a couple of days ago behaved interestingly. It was 5 days out from its funding date, and funding was coming in VERY slowly (as in, hours of sitting at the same amount pledged). Then suddenly it was fully funded. Does that sort of thing seem to mean that Lending Club has funded the rest? The loan was an A4 for about 7 grand, so not too high-risk-seeming. |
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It's been a little over a month since I joined. I now have 16 loan notes; have received $26.95 in payments, $4.51 of which is interest. I can purchase another note now if I want, but I'm holding off until next week when I should have a little over $30 to reinvest.
The payment dates for my loan notes are spread out enough that I'm receiving a credit into my account every three days or so. So far, it's going pretty well for me, I'd say. I seem to have gotten over the initial glee of a month ago when I was checking my account every five milliseconds, and am down to checking maybe twice a week. |
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I currently have 131 loans, 124 current, 6 paid off (3 A5, 1 B1, 1 B3, and 1 E1), and 1 late (B4 headed toward default). Things to watch out for... Some loans have stated they own their home when in fact they were children of the owners living rent free. My default claimed to be a chef at a 5 star restaurant. Tip: Read the application carefully. It takes time, and it's your money. Also, open a trading account and read some of the loans that are in default to see what those loan applications look like. It seems to me that some of those applications respond with very short answers... Good Luck and Have Fun! Last edited by curious11; 12-02-2010 at 08:06 PM. Reason: quote was messed up and fixed! |
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curious11 - very good suggestion to read the info on loans being offered on the trading platform!!
How did you find out about the children of owners? did someone confess to that later on when questions were asked? |
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I'm not seeing my A-class loans pay off early so far; the two loans that have paid off are C and B. The C class loan, I think I made about 25 cents (it paid off in 2 months) and the B class paid off gradually over about 6 months. I think I made about 50 cents on that one. Not a fortune, to be sure! |
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I'm not saying that All A1 or Ax loans will pay off early, someone was wondering if there was any downside to only investing in A1 loans. 3 of my Ax loans have paid off early.
As for the rent free children, there was a question that asked if their (the borrowers) name was on the deed, and the explanation came out in response. In another loan, the borrower's statement contained the line, "since I live with my parents rent free...I will have the money to pay back the loan" which contridicted the home ownership check box. When questioned about the contridiction, the borrower reported that they were unable to change the home ownership from own to rent. Don't forget, you can ask questions of the borrower. |
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Wow, I can't believe people have the balls they do. One summer in college I was working for a social networking site; I could live anywhere since our face to face meetings were rare so I lived at home rent-free. I can't imagine pretending those assets were mine. Crazy.
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Crossed a milestone today.
As of this afternoon, I have received one payment from each of my 16 loan notes, for a total of $30.91, $5.01 of which is interest. This is almost 10 times more than the 53 cents I would have yielded from my savings account on the same amount. I'm assessing my next move. I was going to wait until early next year to increase my investment, but I may be ready to throw another $1000 in now, perhaps a little more. Still just dipping my toe in, but somewhat less timidly I guess. |
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I am finally cralwing back positive after $75 in defaults on two loans previosly mentioned, at the moment, everything is looking good, 32 all in good standing 1 in funding. Only one of mind paid off early so far.
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I'm still positive (7% annual return); my one bad loan has been formally charged off.
27 active loans (3 of which are 50 dollar loans) so I'm just about at the point where each month I can fund a new loan just on the income stream. I am not adding a lot of new money right now, just 10-20 bucks here or there. One silly goal: I want to have a payment coming due every day or two. I now only have one "gap" during the month (4 days between due payments). Silly, I know, but maybe I'll be able to close that in January. |
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I'm up to $860 in interest so far. I'm happy with that.
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How are you folks tracking your investments, in whatever software you're using?
This blog (http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2010/0...ts-in-quicken/) had a good suggestion on another page: just record one purchase (for all new notes), one sale (for all principal received), and one income (for interest received) each month, so that's what I've been doing. Not sure I agree with what he says he's doing for the default; that MIGHT be something that should be charged off tax-wise. Current account status: 27 active notes. 2 fully paid, 1 charged off. I've got enough cash to invest in another note today, and probably one more just after Christmas. So far I've made about 54 dollars in interest, minus 21 for the defaulted loan. Last edited by Mama Zappa; 12-19-2010 at 08:14 PM. |
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As a borrower my experience has been good. While I could have gone to my CU for a loan and might not have paid any fees I felt that I wanted to help other financially and one way is to pay individuals rather than a faceless institution and had taken a loan from Lending Club so if any of you funded Loan : They showed me the boot so get my loot I'm paying you
As a lender which I was before I became a borrower I'm at a "severe"loss I invested $25 each into three loans of of them a D grade which paid me a whopping 87 cents and then charged off. I have a B grade loan that is current and I've received $7.20 from it and lastly A C grade loan where I received $6.80 it's in the grace period now with a payment that was due 12/10. I'm a little concerned but not much because I know Lending Club doesn't always post accurately. |
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I must say when I opened this thread I never expected the response and ongoing saga....
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Opened my account in October with $250. Now have ten investments ranging from A3-C1. All are current going into month two and I've netted a grand total of $1.89 in interest. That and, well that, will get me a cup of coffee. Woo.
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I talked to an aquaintance of mine that is a bank manager, he is not a big fan of peer to peer lending but he had mentioned that in general a bank averages out making about $1 per month for every $100 is has on deposit from being able to cut loans etc. so if you are getting that you arent doing much worse than the bank would off of your money.
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By comparison: I just checked one of my IRAs and (among other investments) it has a 6,000 dollar cash balance. That earned 54 cents lasts month (yeah, I need to at least move a chunk of that into CDs, even at .25 percent it would be earning more!). I'm at 29 open loans right now. The only one of note is one of my first 3, which has been on a payment plan for months. As far as I can tell, that just meant slipping the payment date by 2 days each month (from the 14th to the 16th). Of interest: the past 2 months it's had an extra payment of 2 dollars. The loan history page shows a payment of 2.82 - but the extra 2 dollars wasn't credited to me until the 27th (the main payment was credited on the 21st). A feature that they seem to have taken off the page: a way of seeing what your total estimated monthly payment stream will be. At least I haven't been able to find that in a few months. Now I just estimate by taking the number of loans and multiplying that by 80 cents (I count the handful of 50 dollar loans twice). |
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looks like me and you don't match on any of them
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The neat part is you roll that over into new loans and start compounding your interest. At 5-8% that does start to add up. |
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As we've all noticed, Lending Club appears to be at least partially funding loans themselves, a lot of the time. That leads to two observations: 1) it's a big incentive for them to be aggressive in collections actions since their money is on the line too, but 2) it suggests to me that they're having trouble getting enough investors to fund the demand. What happens when they've invested all their venture capital? Won't the demand dry up because loans aren't getting fully funded? On a side note, I just had a third loan pay off early. Total interest on the loan was something lke 75 cents, minus about 30 cents in fees. I still made a profit and of course immediately re-invested the payback. I've also just sent a couple hundred dollars from a windfall, will gradually invest that over the next month. |
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It occurs to me that some (most?) people, me included, don't reinvest their earnings immediately, thereby experiencing a period of no interest being earned on the uninvested, inactive funds, which negatively impacts the amount of interest on the aggregate investment. As you only earn interest on funds that are actively invested in loans, and because you can only reinvest earnings that have reached the minimum $25 threshold, that 9.67% interest (or whatever your number is) you earn on your notes, is actually less than that.
A second thought. You're also not earning interest on funds invested during the period the loan is in a funding status, correct? Last edited by Onomatopoeia; 01-05-2011 at 11:09 AM. |
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LC has a lot of investor money in "float" status at any given time. There's the time from when you deposit money to when it's disbursed to the borrower. There's the time between when they receive payments and they credit it to your account (4 business days). There's the time between when it's credited, and you withdraw or re-invest it. There's the time between when they wire money from your bank account and they credit it to your LC account (e.g. my latest transfer left my checking account yesterday and is not yet available at LC). My assumption is that these funds are held by LC in some sort of interest-bearing account at some sort of bank, so they're getting some interest on them. Not a lot, given current short-term interest rates, but if you're holding something like 100,000 on average and getting .25% interest, that's still an extra few bucks a month. That income, plus the loan fees they skim off the top of the loan principal, plus the payment fees skimmed off what we investors receive, means they've got a guaranteed income. |
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Update here. Due to a recent windfall (inheritance), I transferred 200 dollars and have invested most of that (still have 50 dollars of it left to invest). That plus some money I transferred in December, leaves me with a comparatively large number of issued loans awaiting their first payment - 8 loans. I've been picking one or two new ones per week. Mostly Bs, with almost as many As and Cs but Bs definitely dominate. 35 loans outstanding (of which 4 are 50 dollar investments).
Had another loan pay off early, recently - that makes 3. Weirdly, the first one which paid off (after having been late the first month, they paid in full the next) has another collections action against it ("contacted 3rd party or borrower's acquaintance") as of November - 8 months after it was paid off. Weird. Met one goal this month - a silly one, but still: I now have due dates spanning the entire month with no more than 1 day gap between them. So every day or two, there'll be cash hitting my account. And there are enough loans now paying that I should be able to fund a new one just from the proceeds, slightly more often than once a month. No new troubled loans so far, not even the one D class loan. Of course that's only been 9 months, but the credit score is unchanged so hopefully the borrower is stable. |
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Looks like they're now offering loans of up to 35,000 (the old limit was 25K, I think). I opened my filter criteria up to include loans for that amount... and got a bunch of F-class 60 month loans.
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Any status updates from anyone?
I periodically glance at the individual loans to see how their credit scores are faring... and just noticed the other day that one (an early C2 from January 2010) had the usual ups and downs... then plummeted 3 notches this month. It's due in 10 days, we'll see how that goes. Another early B5 from about that same time ALSO plummeted 3 notches. It just made an on-time payment, however. No other defaults so far. |
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Since I opened my LC account 5 months ago, I've received $114.33 in payments, of which $19.24 is interest. This is on my $500 investment which, according to my calculations means that my effective interest rate is 9.4%, which is much, much better than I can get from any bank. Maybe I should just take the plunge and throw $10,000 in there. Does anyone know someone with a large LC account? |
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My initial 2 defaults ($70 worth) still effect my overall results but the number keeps climbing
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I finally got around to giving all this a closer look and wouldn't you know it: Oregon is on their shit list (or vice versa). How do I get around this, when they ask for your address?
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What I did was sign up under their trading platform called Foliofn, because my state, NJ, also doesn't allow its residents to use the Lending Club main site to lend. There are advantages and disadvantages to doing so. For me, the pluses outweighed the minuses, the main plus being that I make so much more in interest than I could from any bank, so I jumped in. |
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There should be links on the main page at lendingclub.com, or from one of their FAQ pages.
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Perhaps there should be, but I can't find a link, which is why I asked.
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Here's one I got by googling "lendingclub.com foliofn": https://www.lendingclub.com/foliofn/aboutTrading.action They don't make it obvious, for sure! I got to this link by noodling around the Help section: https://www.lendingclub.com/foliofn/faq.action I gather you sign up as an investor and then have to do a separate folio application (which is trivial). Onamatopoeia can tell you more; I have a folio account but have never bought / sold there. |
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You won't see it on the home page, or login page. What you have to do first is to create an LC account. If your state doesn't allow you to use the main LC platform to fund notes, you will be given an option at that time to sign up with Foliofn, but again, you must create a Lending Club account first. |
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Yes, this is correct. Sign up with Lending Club first. You will then be given the option to sign up with Foliofn.
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