Dopers are banned from using "whomever"

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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…until you learn to use it correctly:

Predicate nominative.

Predicate Nominative.

Subject of “to make”.

Subject of “had”.

Subject of “would have looked”.

And these were just the first 5 of 6 threads I clicked through!
Thisusage note says it best:

Besides, nobody actually uses “whom” or “whomever” anymore*. They’re dying a slow, painful (for me) death. Anyone that actually uses these words is doing so on purpose. So if you’re going to fight against the tide of change and try to preserve these silly relics, at least do so correctly. Otherwise, embrace the dark side and come on over to exclusively using “who(ever)”. Come on guys, we’re at an 83% failure rate. We’re Dopers! We’re better than that!

*Brought to you by “My Subjectivity Is Better Than Your Subjectivity” Productions, trademark by Chessic Sense Ltd.

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Whatever!

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And this matters to whom?

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I think it’s done specifically to annoy me. People go “I wonder if CS will be reading this?” Then they toss it in, just in case.

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You are not the boss of me whomever you are.:p:p:p

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You can’t tell me what to do! Whomever do you think you are?

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Damn you for beating me to this.

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Sorry, I don’t see how this is wrong.

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Isn’t it basically just used with, ‘to’, ‘with’, and ‘from’, and you’ll usually be right if you limit it to that? Not so hard (if I’m right!)

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I agree. Whenever I’m unsure about the right case for an obscure pronoun like “whomever”, I check with a common pronoun:

1a. Why isn’t it profitable for I to make …
1b. Why isn’t it profitable for me to make …

2a. Why isn’t it profitable for he to make …
2b. Why isn’t it profitable for him to make …

“Me” and “him” look right in that context, so “whomever” must be the correct pedantic choice. Not that I’d actually advocate its use, but it’s an error to say that it’s incorrect.

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Fucking pedants.

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Are you saying this usage is incorrect? I will challenge you on that as “whom” is the proper usage as the object of preposition. “To whom” is correct, thus “to whomever” is also correct. :stuck_out_tongue:

“Whom is calling” is all kinds of wrong, but “To whom do you wish to speak?” is perfect English.

Bullshit. Many of us English speakers do so without even thinking about it- and use them correctly to boot. I was taught to speak properly, my children were taught to speak properly and it is no affectation when we use “whom” because “who” is incorrect.

I bet you also answer the question of, “May I speak to Calssic Sense?” with the response of “This is him” (or “this is her”) don’t you? When any English speaker should know that “This is he” or “This is she” is what should roll off your tongue without even thinking.

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Whomeveryone.

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Irregardless of how you feel about the word, their ain’t nothing you can do to affect weather or knot people use proper grammar. Its they’re choice.

(I bet this is going to make a couple heads explode).

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For once, ivn will be correct.

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Very true: I try hard to make the sun shine, but at this time of year it snows instead.

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"Then the Whoms down in Whomville will all cry BooHoo!” because they do not want to change their names especially little Cindy-Lou Whom.

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Damn. Gaudered.

I was going to answer your first part by stating the second part. If you arrange the second half of your sentence I quoted, you get “Mom said that Dad is ____”. Now using my subjectivity, which is better than yours (as stated in the OP), it should be nominative case. “Mom said that Dad is he.” Unless you’re answering a telephone. Then you can use an object because, again, my subjectivity trumps yours. I declare this to be so.

In your sentence, the entire clause “whoever Mom says is Dad” is an object of “to”. I agree. But the pronoun goes with “is”, not “to”.

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You beat me to it :smiley:

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Shouldn’t that be “Boo Hoom”?