Why Anti-Zionism Is NOT Anti-Semitism

[Mister Obvious]

Quite simply, because many Jews understand that God has not ended the Exile of the Israelites from the Holy Land. If He had done so, then the State of Israel would neither need: its army of overt IDF terrorists; nor its den of false-flag Mossad terrorists; nor American trioops as its 'attack dogs'; nor billions of dollars in Foreign Aid (International Welfare) in order to maintain the security of its its existence.

America had no enemies in the Middle East prior to our helping International Zionism steal land from its Palestinian rightful owners. Many Jews are well aware of this fact, and realize that the violent conflict there represents a Message from God. What He is telling them is, "I kicked you out of here until you learn to obey Me! You haven't learned yet, but there are many Christians here in Palestine who do obey Me! Get out until you learn to obey and I tell you that your Exile has ended!"

There are 12 tribes who are Israelites. Most of the Israelites are now Christians by Faith, including some who are Jewish by Ethnicity. There are impostors, however, who only claim to be Israelites (some self-identify as "Jewish", some as "Christian", others as "Muslim", others as "Agnostic", but all of the impostors practice counterfeit versions of the "Religions" which they claim to practice), and these are the "Synagogue of Satan" of which God warns to beware in Rev. 2:9 and 3:9.

I believe that true Christians (as opposed to "Christian"-Zionist 'Evangelicals'), true Jews (as opposed to Talmudic Zionists), genuine Muslims (as opposed to radical "Jihadists"), etc. may reside in the Holy Land provided they obey God's admonition to live in peace with their neighbors as loyal citizens of their host nations instead of disobeying God by attempting to live as a disloyal "nation within a nation" or forcibly establish a Jewish-supremacist government and ethnically-cleansed territory there called Israel. When the Israelites learn to obey Him, and especially when the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel accept their Messiah who offered them Salvation 2,000 years ago, He will end their Exile.

Jews (by Ethnicity or by Faith) who understand the above have rightly seen Zionism as a perversion of "Judaism" and oppose it through such organizations as Not In Our Name. I support Anti-Zionism 100%, but I am not the least bit "Anti-Semitic". Anti-Zionism is often falsely maligned as "Anti-Semitism", which it is not! I'm even dating a woman who is Jewish by Ethnicity, Christian by Faith, and Anti-Zionist as a matter of conscience!

I predict that this thread will be "Closed" within 24 hours, I might even be Banned for alleged "Terms of Use" violations from alleged "Anti-Semitic" statements, and there might even be a "Witch Hunt" on here to try to find and retalliate against my girlfriend (who is also a member of Dope, but I refuse to reveal her name). I'll be thoroughly surprised if the Admins of this board can handle the Truth better than I expect. Of course, I do expect to see a few ad-hominem attacks or attempts at ridicule. There's always one of those "bad apples" in every bunch.

[Rune]

Is this a good place to discuss Berlusconi’s suggestion to bring Israel into the EU?

[ReuvenB]

You really love the "scare quotes", don't you?

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Mister Obvious

I predict that this thread will be "Closed" within 24 hours, I might even be Banned for alleged "Terms of Use" violations from alleged "Anti-Semitic" statements, and there might even be a "Witch Hunt" on here to try to find and retalliate against my girlfriend (who is also a member of Dope, but I refuse to reveal her name). I'll be thoroughly surprised if the Admins of this board can handle the Truth better than I expect. Of course, I do expect to see a few ad-hominem attacks or attempts at ridicule. There's always one of those "bad apples" in every bunch.

It's nice to meet you, too!

Anti-Zionism isn't anti-Semitic by definition, since some Jews were opposed to the creation of Israel for religious reasons. In practice today, yes, opposition to the existence of Israel is usually rooted in anti-Semitism.

As for this other stuff about the 12 tribes and such, I have to ask this: why should anybody care? One religion is a made up as another.

[Der Trihs]

Originally Posted by Mister Obvious

I predict that this thread will be "Closed" within 24 hours, I might even be Banned for alleged "Terms of Use" violations from alleged "Anti-Semitic" statements, and there might even be a "Witch Hunt" on here to try to find and retalliate against my girlfriend (who is also a member of Dope, but I refuse to reveal her name). I'll be thoroughly surprised if the Admins of this board can handle the Truth better than I expect. Of course, I do expect to see a few ad-hominem attacks or attempts at ridicule. There's always one of those "bad apples" in every bunch.

Ah, the preemptive assumption of martyrdom. Of course, people couldn't possibly disagree because your claims are gibbering nonsense. It has to be because they can't handle the Truth.

Here's my prediction. You'll get yourself banned, and go commiserate with your fellow true believers about how you were martyred for Speaking The Truth to the big, bad SDMB message board and their brutal mods. Internet martyrdom is cheap. Wake me up when the mods start sending thugs over to beat up banned posters to make examples of them ( "and we call THIS the Banhammer!" ).

As for the rest; there's no God to make any such decisions in the first place. And America has done plenty of other things to create hatred for itself besides support Israel.

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by Mister Obvious

Of course, I do expect to see a few ad-hominem attacks or attempts at ridicule. There's always one of those "bad apples" in every bunch.

On the SDMB, it's way more than one.

America had no enemies in the Middle East prior to our helping International Zionism steal land from its Palestinian rightful owners.

'I'm not sure I agree 100% with your police work there, Lou.' Many of the nations of the Middle East, like Iraq were a bit more cheesed off at the colonial powers of the area, like Great Britain, than the US. Likewise Iran, which the Allies invaded in 1941 to establish a railway to get military supplies to the Soviets. And British troops took control of Egypt in 1882. So it is a teensy bit over-simplified to blame all the issues of the US-Middle East on Israel.

I believe that true Christians (as opposed to "Christian"-Zionist 'Evangelicals'), true Jews (as opposed to Talmudic Zionists), genuine Muslims (as opposed to radical "Jihadists"), etc. may reside in the Holy Land provided they obey God's admonition to live in peace with their neighbors as loyal citizens of their host nations instead of disobeying God by attempting to live as a disloyal "nation within a nation"

How generous of you! I assume this means you oppose the creation of a Palestinian state, since everyone in the Middle East is obliged to live as loyal citizens of their host nations instead of setting up a new state.

Enjoy your stay among us, if possible.

Regards,
Shodan

[Strinka]

Originally Posted by Mister Obvious

America had no enemies in the Middle East prior to our helping International Zionism steal land from its Palestinian rightful owners. Many Jews are well aware of this fact, and realize that the violent conflict there represents a Message from God. What He is telling them is, "I kicked you out of here until you learn to obey Me! You haven't learned yet, but there are many Christians here in Palestine who do obey Me! Get out until you learn to obey and I tell you that your Exile has ended!"

If the actions of humans can represent a message from god (what happened to free will?), then why can't American and other support for Israel be a message that god wants it to exist? Maybe the fact that Israel has never lost a war is a message from god to the Arabs to stop trying to take it back.

[septimus]

Originally Posted by Mister Obvious

... International Zionism [stole] land from its Palestinian rightful owners...

Well, you sure seem open-minded! Haven't actually studied any 20th-century history though, have you?

I'd invite Palestinians to the table only after they replace their despicable hatred-filled textbooks. Just out of curiosity, do you support teaching children to hate?

Several international boundaries were redrawn after World War II. I don't hear of Poles killing Russians to reclaim land, nor of Germans killing Poles. What's really sick about "Palestinians unable to forget their stolen homes" is that the youngest with any actual such memory would be almost 70 years old now!

One might speak of Russia "stealing" Polish land at the Yalta Conference, but your claim sounds like gibberish to me. Do you speak of the 1948 war? Or what? Whatever it is, go skim the Wikipedia article to at least have a clue; then come back and talk.

[Der Trihs]

I was curious to see if the OP was one of those single post drive by types, and checked his history. He also contributed to this recently closed thread, starting on the second page. Which is loony enough that I thought it deserved a link, especially since his posts there are about the same subject more or less.

Originally Posted by Kolga

This is some high-quality crazy right here.

[Perciful]

Oh man not the Twelve Tribes...

Don't you have a third temple to build?

[Jackmannii]

Of course, all the "good" Jews (who have converted or are in the process of converting to Christianity) will agree with the OP.

The Satan-spawn Kenites who are masquerading as Jews will no doubt "point fingers" and mock.

So there's no debate here, unless it's to wonder whether Mister Obvious's appearance presages a sudden influx of Christian Identity types or if it's just a minor manifestation of a blip in the lunar cycles.

[The Bith Shuffle]

The "anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism" line is back again. The whole point of the line is to confuse two separate charges, the first being that it is fundamentally bigoted to oppose Israel, the second being that much of the opposition to Israel in the modern world exists because of anti-Jewish bigotry. Nobody believes the former claim and the latter claim is a perfectly reasonable one. So what do so many anti-Zionists do? They say that it isn't anti-Semitic to criticize Israel and act as though this were some sort of significant observation. They can't handle the charge that lots of the hatred that Israel faces comes from anti-Semitism (because this claim is accurate), so they just make a silly straw man argument at the idea that anti-Zionism is fundamentally anti-Semitic.

[Alessan]

You know what's fun about being Israeli?

People like the OP are a lot more afraid of us than we are of them.

[Der Trihs]

Originally Posted by Alessan

You know what's fun about being Israeli?

People like the OP are a lot more afraid of us than we are of them.

Well, yeah. It's the Satanic powers and your secret vampire army. Makes them nervous.

[MrDibble]

Anti-Zionism is not Anti-Semitism because not every Jew is a Zionist. There, that wasn't hard.

But functionally, what is Anti-Zionism as a movement? Not non-Zionism, which, I think, is the default state of everyone on the planet, Jew or no, but Anti-Zionism itself? Can't say I've ever seen anyone actually use the term Zionist without a nudge and a wink, myself.

I thought Not in Our Name was an American anti-WarOnTerror group, now disbanded? Didn't know they were AntiZionist.

And being anti-Palestinian-occupation is not the same as AntiZionist. I'm very much against the way Israel handles Palestine, but I don't think of myself as one. I support the State of Israel both as a place and an idea (although ... I'm not sold on the continuation of the Right of Return into current times, I must admit).

[Malthus]

Originally Posted by Der Trihs

Well, yeah. It's the Satanic powers and your secret vampire army. Makes them nervous.

It's the secret opossum army. I learned that in the other thread.

Though opossums may also be vampires, I haven't decided.

[Noone Special]

Originally Posted by Alessan

You know what's fun about being Israeli?

People like the OP are a lot more afraid of us than we are of them.

Yeah, with enemies like this, who needs friends...?

Seriously, this kind of talk probably helps our (Israel's) PR more than any of us can manage even if we talk ourselves blue in the face.

[itsmeshh]

And I predict that most of the people who have negatively commented to this thread enjoy living in a state of perpetual denial and ignorance.

[Malthus]

Originally Posted by Noone Special

Yeah, with enemies like this, who needs friends...?

Seriously, this kind of talk probably helps our (Israel's) PR more than any of us can manage even if we talk ourselves blue in the face.

Reminds me of the old Jewish joke about a Jewish guy who, every day, reads anti-semitic screeds with his breakfast.

One day his wife asks him "why do you read that shit?"

And he answers: "well, in the regular news all I hear about is terrorism in Israel and abroad, wars, and other bad news. In these, I read that the Jews are all-powerful, control the media, and have all the money in the world. I like to start my day with good news!"

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by itsmeshh

And I predict that most of the people who have negatively commented to this thread enjoy living in a state of perpetual denial and ignorance.

Well as long as they are enjoying it...

Seriously: you agree with Mister Obvious, from what I can tell, so if you're going to bother to post in this thread and you want it to stay open, make an argument instead of making insulting comments about other posters.

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by itsmeshh

And I predict that most of the people who have negatively commented to this thread enjoy living in a state of perpetual denial and ignorance.

Point of clarification-One predicts the future, not the present. What you are doing is not prediction, it is blind speculation.

[D_Odds]

Originally Posted by itsmeshh

And I predict that most of the people who have negatively commented to this thread enjoy living in a state of perpetual denial and ignorance.

I get told the same thing when I say income taxes are legal, the WTC fell because planes rammed into it, and that the US was truly able to put a man on the moon. True believers, regardless of their belief, always spout the same to those who take them to task.

[LavenderBlue]

Originally Posted by Malthus

It's the secret opossum army. I learned that in the other thread.

Though opossums may also be vampires, I haven't decided.

It's groundhog day so we're temporarily switching rodents.

[Der Trihs]

Originally Posted by itsmeshh

And I predict that most of the people who have negatively commented to this thread enjoy living in a state of perpetual denial and ignorance.

Or we're all part of the conspiracy...




fnord

[DanBlather]

I think that once you call the army of another country "terrorists" you win through sheer force of logic and we might as well all concede the argument to you and go on with our lives.

[Darth Sensitive]

He meant tourists, I think.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Now, now... the IDF also includes the Israeli air force and navy too. Triple the force of logic!

What exactly is the debate here? You made a bunch of unsupported and frankly ridiculous statements and then a bunch of unsupported but probably accurate predictions. Well done.

[Kolga]

Every time I hear the word "Zionist" I think of a scene in "The West Wing" near the middle of the fourth season. A Qumari ambassador is meeting with Leo regarding the assassination of the defense minister that Bartlet had executed. Leo is giving the ambassador factual information regarding the defense minister's participation in terrorist training camps, and the Qumari ambassador says, with a tone of contempt, "Zionist propaganda."

I can't help hearing that tone of voice whenever I hear or read the word. It's clear in that scene, and to me, clear in the majority of cases it's used, that the word really means "Jewish scum."

And THAT'S why it seems to me that the VAST majority of people who use the word in such a context are anti-Semitic.

[tomndebb]

Originally Posted by LavenderBlue

It's groundhog day so we're temporarily switching rodents.

I think you may have been infected by the OP and its associate.

Whle groundhogs are rodents, opposums, being marsupials, are in the Didelphimorphia order and the Didelphidae family.

Please do not let the current insanity corrupt our basic knowledge, here.


ETA: By "OP and its associate," I am referring to the Original Post and to the similar (now closed) thread on the "protocals."

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by itsmeshh

And I predict that most of the people who have negatively commented to this thread enjoy living in a state of perpetual denial and ignorance.

God gave us this state, and by golly we're going to keep it!

Regards,
Shodan

[tomndebb]

I will also note that the OP is so far away from any serious discussion of the topic, that any genuine discussion of the relationships between anti-semitism and opposition to Zionism should probably be kept out of this thread to avoid contamination.

[Malthus]

Originally Posted by tomndebb

I think you may have been infected by the OP and its associate.

Whle groundhogs are rodents, opposums, being marsupials, are in the Didelphimorphia order and the Didelphidae family.

Please do not let the current insanity corrupt our basic knowledge, here.

We are talking about vampire oppossums. Everyone knows that they are descended from rodents. Says so in the Bible (properly interpreted).

Don't confuse them with regular oppossums, which are indeed marsupials. Some of my best friends are regular oppossums. I have nothing against them, and they are not tools of Satan.

[Jackmannii]

Originally Posted by LavenderBlue

It's groundhog day so we're temporarily switching rodents.

Ye shall pay for disrespecting marsupials. Either way though, remember that you rank below rodents and marsupials in the Heavenly Pantheon.

Happy to see itsmeshh joining Mister Obvious in casting these pearls of wisdom.

They laugh alike, they walk alike,
At times they even talk alike --
You can lose your mind

Hopefully they will soon be joined by gulgamat, ishkabible and topoegregio to help stir us out of our dangerous torpor.

[Der Trihs]

Originally Posted by tomndebb

Whle groundhogs are rodents, opposums, being marsupials, are in the Didelphimorphia order and the Didelphidae family.

Opossums are not true marsupials! They are the rodent children of Satan, spawned upon mortal rodents to imitate the forms of honest marsupials as part of the Devil's long term plan to install the Ratichrist, in opposition to the Marsupial Messiah.



Hey, it makes as much sense as the OP...

[Malthus]

Originally Posted by Der Trihs

Opossums are not true marsupials! They are the rodent children of Satan, spawned upon mortal rodents to imitate the forms of honest marsupials as part of the Devil's long term plan to install the Ratichrist, in opposition to the Marsupial Messiah.



Hey, it makes as much sense as the OP...

I'll have you know that the Ratichrist and Marsupial Messiah are joining my personal pantheon.

[Czarcasm]

I just had a Revelation: Sloth is not one of the Seven Deadly Sins-slothes are!

[Shodan]

The difference is that the Opossumessiah was only playing dead.

Regards,
Shodan

[Malthus]

Originally Posted by Shodan

The difference is that the Opossumessiah was only playing dead.

Regards,
Shodan

*Groans*

I'm literally kicking myself for not having thought of that.

[Sarahfeena]

Originally Posted by Der Trihs

Opossums are not true marsupials! They are the rodent children of Satan, spawned upon mortal rodents to imitate the forms of honest marsupials as part of the Devil's long term plan to install the Ratichrist, in opposition to the Marsupial Messiah.



Hey, it makes as much sense as the OP...

Those things are from the Devil. I saw one once in my backyard, in the very early-morning light, when I was leaving to go to the hospital have a baby. I was overdue and on my way to being induced because my labor would not start. The thing had 8 half-grown babies hanging off of it, and all eighteen of their eyes were glowing red at me. I almost didn't need the fucking pitocin...I nearly had that baby right then and there. <shudder>

[Lemur866]

Originally Posted by Malthus

*Groans*

I'm literally kicking myself for not having thought of that.

No you're not. You're figuratively kicking yourself--unless your foot actually in real life literally hit your ass.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Flexibility is a sure sigh of demonic possession.

[FinnAgain]

Originally Posted by Malthus

Reminds me of the old Jewish joke about a Jewish guy who, every day, reads anti-semitic screeds with his breakfast.

Reminds me of another.

A Jew is in a train station in Poland and is walking up to random people and asking them "Are you an anti-Semite?" All of them, angrily, say no. Finally he gets to one who says "Yes, I hate the Jews. They rejected Jesus and control the world and are responsible for me having no power or control over my own life."
The man says "Oh, fantastic, an honest man! Please watch my luggage, I need to run to the bathroom."

Then a Cainite jumps out from the shadows and feeds him to an opossum.

[Malthus]

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright

Flexibility is a sure sigh of demonic possession.

Exactly. Only the Ratichrist can save me now!

[LavenderBlue]

The poor cats are now wondering why their False Zionist Ratichrist Killer Marsupial Disrespector Vampire Opposum Worshipping Kenite is too busy laughing at the posts in this thread to feed them.

[Malthus]

Originally Posted by Lemur866

No you're not. You're figuratively kicking yourself--unless your foot actually in real life literally hit your ass.

If you ask me, anyone with "lemur" in their username is highly suspect.

They call them "primates", but I think we all know The Truth!

[FinnAgain]

Originally Posted by Malthus

Exactly. Only the Ratichrist can save me now!

Blaspheeeeemer!
How dare you not worship as my religion says. Obviously, that shows that you are in league with the arch-demon that my religion created becuase, well, I really can't conceive of a possibility where you just don't accept my theology and have your own.

Also, you're a vampire and you control the media.

[Captain Amazing]

Originally Posted by Rune

Is this a good place to discuss Berlusconi’s suggestion to bring Israel into the EU?

He can make the suggestion, but I don't think it'll happen, Israel's presence in Eurovision aside. Israel doesn't have the best relationship with the rest of the EU, and with public opinion in the EU. So, I don't think you'll see Israel joining until the whole Palestinian problem is settled at least.

[XT]

I almost feel sorry for the OP. Like pushing baby chicks into a pool filled with alligators. However:

I predict that this thread will be "Closed" within 24 hours, I might even be Banned for alleged "Terms of Use" violations from alleged "Anti-Semitic" statements, and there might even be a "Witch Hunt" on here to try to find and retalliate against my girlfriend (who is also a member of Dope, but I refuse to reveal her name). I'll be thoroughly surprised if the Admins of this board can handle the Truth better than I expect. Of course, I do expect to see a few ad-hominem attacks or attempts at ridicule. There's always one of those "bad apples" in every bunch.

You won't be banned for anti-Semitic statements. Nor will the thread be closed because of those anti-Semitic statements (perhaps because of your anti-Semantic statements though). You'll be banned because you have a huge chip on your shoulder and you are obviously TRYING to get yourself banned. Unless you are a sock it will probably take more than this thread to get you banned, but I predict it won't take too long. As for the thread, it will be moved (to the Pit hopefully) or closed because there really is no debate here...just a mountain of crazy.

As for the ad-hominem attacks, well...to be sure. If you drop fresh blood in the water, you need to expect the sharks to attack. If you spew out an OP full of crazy bullshit religious non-sense without even attempting to make cogent arguments or set up a coherent debate, then it's not going to be much of a surprise when people make fun of you. It's sad, since it seems fairly obvious that you need help, but it's the way of the world, internet style. Especially here on the 'dope.

As for your alleged girl friend 'doper, no one gives a shit man. No one is going to 'retaliate' against her...that's your own paranoia and delusion talking. You might embarrass her (if she exists) if you associate yourself with her, but unless you are really her secret sock puppet it's not going to make any difference to anyone on this board that she has a crazy boyfriend.

-XT

[Czarcasm]

Is the OP gone...or just playing dead?

[FinnAgain]

Originally Posted by xtisme

As for your alleged girl friend 'doper, no one gives a shit man. No one is going to 'retaliate' against her...that's your own paranoia and delusion talking. You might embarrass her (if she exists)

Actually, you're wrong. She does exist and is a virtuous White Christian pillar of faith. As such, those of us of the Cainite persuasion are already tracking her down, at which point we will capture her, drug her, and put her into porn. Opossum porn.

True story.

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

Is the OP gone...or just playing dead?

Come on, don't be silly. He realized that since the Jews Childer of Caine control the world, that he wants to get out of his rut and join the winning team. As such, he's not playing dead he's... playing possum.