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Old 05-12-2010, 04:58 PM
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2-letter scrabble words

Responding to the updated answer to "What are the permissible two-letter words in Scrabble?", the official list continues to change. There WERE 96 official words until March 1, 2006, at which time 5 new words (FE KI OI QI ZA) were added, bringing the list up to 101.

To make it even more confusing, this official list only applies to Tournament and Club play in North America. Most English-speaking Scrabble players in the rest of the world use an expanded list (called variously SOWPODS, Collins, Collins Scrabble Words), which have an additional 22 two-letter words:
CH DA DI EA EE FY GI GU IO JA KY NY OB OO OU PO ST TE UG UR YU ZO.

The next update to the North American word list is not anticipated until 2013 or thereafter.
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Old 05-12-2010, 05:54 PM
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Responding to the updated answer to "What are the permissible two-letter words in Scrabble?", the official list continues to change. There WERE 96 official words until March 1, 2006, at which time 5 new words (FE KI OI QI ZA) were added, bringing the list up to 101.

To make it even more confusing, this official list only applies to Tournament and Club play in North America. Most English-speaking Scrabble players in the rest of the world use an expanded list (called variously SOWPODS, Collins, Collins Scrabble Words), which have an additional 22 two-letter words:
CH DA DI EA EE FY GI GU IO JA KY NY OB OO OU PO ST TE UG UR YU ZO.

The next update to the North American word list is not anticipated until 2013 or thereafter.
when will the NA 2 letter word list reach 676 words?

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Old 05-12-2010, 06:00 PM
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Just out of curiosity, does the official Scrabble Dictionary give definitions for these 'words'? Last time I checked, one of the requirements for 'words' in the English language was the presence of at least one vowel...

I'd really like to know what 'CH' and 'ST' mean.

And why stop at 101? Why not just add the other 575 two-letter combinations in, and be done with it?

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Old 05-12-2010, 06:08 PM
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when will the NA 2 letter word list reach 676 words?
Well, it seems the list changes every seven years, and there are five new words each time. So that's (676-101)/5 * 7 = 575/5 * 7 = 115 * 7 = 805 years. Add that to 2006, and you find that it would be in 2811. I don't think you have to worry.
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Old 05-12-2010, 06:14 PM
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Just out of curiosity, does the official Scrabble Dictionary give definitions for these 'words'? Last time I checked, one of the requirements for 'words' in the English language was the presence of at least one vowel...
Sh, brr, nth, and pwn beg to differ.
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Old 05-12-2010, 06:21 PM
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when will the NA 2 letter word list reach 676 words?
I have a friend who tries to use that list, and almost always loses on the challenge with the Scrabble Dictionary we use.
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Old 05-12-2010, 07:56 PM
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Of course it's this Classic: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...ds-in-scrabble
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:43 PM
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definitions for 2-letter words

You can find definitions for the North American 2-letter words at:
http://www.hasbro.com/scrabble/en_US/2LetterList.cfm (FYI: Hasbro owns the rights to SCRABBLE in North America, Mattel owns Scrabble everywhere else).

The SOWPODS/COLLINS/CSW words and definitions are available at:
http://www.absp.org.uk/words/2lw.html (Association of British Scrabble Players)

The best way to see what words are acceptable (AND definitions) is to download the free ZYZZYVA anagrams & study program, created by Michael Thelen, from: http://www.zyzzyva.net/. Zyzzyva allows you to check words in the North American word list (OWL), as well as SOWPODS/Collins, and even French).

Have fun!
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:44 PM
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Sh, brr, nth, and pwn beg to differ.
sh, brr, and nth are good (as are SHH BRR CWM), but pwn has yet to be added. Perhaps next time?
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:51 PM
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sh, brr, and nth are good (as are SHH BRR CWM), but pwn has yet to be added. Perhaps next time?
that's BRRR (GRRR is not yet good)
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:51 PM
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Sh, brr, nth, and pwn beg to differ.
'nth' is almost a word, but not quite, since the 'n' here is a variable, not a letter

'pwn' is a misspelling of 'own' (besides, 'w' is a vowel here)

'sh' and 'brr' are sounds, not words. By that token, 'bleearglbrmpppppphl' is a word too, because I can say it
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:36 PM
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words are added to the official scrabble dictionary because they are in a number of source dictionaries. it's up to the lexicographers of those source dictionaries to decide which words are words--so you need to argue with them. good luck!
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Old 05-13-2010, 05:53 AM
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words are added to the official scrabble dictionary because they are in a number of source dictionaries. it's up to the lexicographers of those source dictionaries to decide which words are words--so you need to argue with them. good luck!
But does it matter if the words are listed with descriptors like Archaic, non-standard spelling or abbreviation?
It should, IMO.
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Old 05-13-2010, 01:40 PM
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Those lists include "ET" as the past tense of "to eat".

Yeah, I'm trusting those lists.
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Old 05-13-2010, 01:53 PM
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But does it matter if the words are listed with descriptors like Archaic, non-standard spelling or abbreviation?
It should, IMO.
The history of how words make it into the official Scrabble dictionary is convoluted and obtuse. At this point, words are official Scrabble words because they are official Scrabble words. It's easier to add words than to remove them. AFAIK, abbreviations were never included.

But the words are just game pieces for playing the game. Their definitions or use is somewhat irrelevant. A good non-technical book on the subject is "Word Freak" by Stephan Fatsis, he covers the confusion about the official words pretty well.
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Old 05-13-2010, 02:04 PM
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Wow, so when I suggested using "qi" or "ki" in a friendly game with relatives this past Christmas, I was actually justified?

(several others present knew what they meant, but we couldn't find either in any of the dictionaries available at hand, so we didn't use it)
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:35 PM
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Given that they use "FA" defined as a sound in the chromatic scale, "KI" and "QI" have every bit of the legitimacy.
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:42 PM
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Given that they use "FA" defined as a sound in the chromatic scale, "KI" and "QI" have every bit of the legitimacy.
Nitpick - FA is in the major scale. DO RE MI FA SO LA TI DO are 'words' - the other notes aren't.
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Old 05-13-2010, 09:31 PM
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Not so, both because there are chromatic syllables (though the set is incomplete) and because SO is wrong -- it's SOL.

Taking the key of C as an example,
Code:
DO  C
DI  C♯
RA  D♭
RE  D
RI  D♯
ME  E♭
MI  E
FA  F
FI  F♯
SE  G♭
SOL G
SI  G♯
LE  A♭
LA  A
LI  A♯
TE  B♭
TI  B
SI is also found as an older form of TI. There are also alternate systems that include the notes that are missing above, plus double flats and double sharps.
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Old 05-14-2010, 02:50 PM
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Nitpick - FA is in the major scale.
Whatever.

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DO RE MI FA SO LA TI DO are 'words' - the other notes aren't.
Still, it gets back to what is the definition of "word". If you're going to accept fa as a "word", then there is no logical ground to reject qi. Or ki.

But hey, who said Scrabble had to be logical?
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Old 05-15-2010, 04:28 PM
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The way I play is that if a word sucks (like "ch") you don't use it unless if helps you do a 2 or 3-way word that is not trivial.
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Old 05-22-2010, 06:20 PM
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Cecil's updated answer is still incorrect.

The official list in the US has 101 2-letter words.
The official list in the UK has 124 2-letter words.
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Old 05-22-2010, 06:57 PM
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Nitpick - FA is in the major scale. DO RE MI FA SO LA TI DO are 'words' - the other notes aren't.
Nitpick: The major scale is in the chromatic scale.
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