New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10

[gnoitall]

Originally Posted by Angel of the Lord

Eh, I'll have to throw in with Mister Rik here. It's kind of annoying. I don't find it super annoying to the point of rage, but I doubt that he does, either. I just find it a bit. . .well, inconsiderate would be the word I'd use for it. While one can't really legislate that level of consideration, one can legitimately be annoyed by another's lack of it.

"Inconsiderate" exactly the right word. Griefers and jerks make "inconsiderate" their byword. Most people are just thoughtlessly inconsiderate. (Yeah, that's redundant. I like it. ) I do my best to make allowances, and (borrowing from WikiEthics), Assume Good Faith. Or at least the absence of malice. Even stupidity is acceptable, as long as it's temporary.

That being said, it's very easy to do it without realizing it, now that flying's available in the cities. I've had at least one moment where I've landed on my proto drake and taken a moment to realise that, oh, yeah, I'm half on the quest giver. My solution to this is to use my Headless Horseman mount in the cities, since it's not nearly as big (also, it looks damn good with my warlock, nevermind that it's pretty common now).

Flying mounts. Dragons, particularly. They are mechanically speaking a problem in this regard. Mounted, a character is sitting pretty high off the ground, so you have to get closer to the NPC in order to get within "clickin' distance". Meanwhile, there's about half a dragon hanging in front of you, usually right through the NPC. So guaranteed, you'll be blocking some of that guy for someone else.

Sigh. Like I said, until Blizz fixes that mechanic, so that mounts don't count as part of the character's "clickable" outline, I will try to be brief in how long I interfere with an NPC. And I refuse to get upset over anyone who doesn't, because it's simply not worth it.

I also understand people's desire to show off rare or extraordinarily pretty mounts. For instance, there's a druid on our server with the phoenix mount. He rides it everywhere. I don't blame him. If I had that mount, and I went to do ICC, I'd be all, "Oh, hi, Tirion, I'm here to help kill the Lich King. Just hold on while I call forth my incredibly gorgeous phoenix. I got him from Kael'thas Sunstrider, you know. Well, he didn't give it to me; I found the keys in his pocket. Anyway, I thought some fire might help kill the Lich King. Or something. Isn't it just an amazing specimen?"

Then he'd impale me with Ashbringer. And he'd be right, because he's Tirion Fordring.

I'd help him. Not that he needs the help. But I want that mount pretty badly, and I'd be gracious enough not to flaunt it, so I'm a good inheritor. I can rummage your pockets as well as I could rummage Kael's, and I suspect your drop rate would be much better.

[Quasimodem]

I mostly have that problem in Dal on Krasus Landing and in Valiance Keep on the dock and sometimes in AH, where I do cut 'em some slack simply because it's crowded in there.

What pissed ME off is declining a duel and either having the guy or girl repeatedly ask or in one case last night on the VK dock, running back and forth at Wolk' and Silka with her tiger, ad nauseam. So I asked her if she was having fun being an ass? (This was before the thing with "I tag it, it's mine" and THAT dialogue).

So she asks if I'm having a bad day and at that point I hit /dnd (ignore no longer works for me, for some reason. I have everything y'all told me about how to do it written on post-its and taped to the frame of the screen but nothing works), so then she goes "live" (in white) and tells everyone how rude I'm being. Oh well.

Q

[Taomist]

Hey Quasi: a couple things on your auction questions.

1. I think it's possible to sort auction results by seller name. This doesn't help if they don't know what you're selling, as listing the entire auction house in one go probable isn't feasible <or possible> but if you're just selling leather, it may be possible for someone to go to trade goods, leather, and then sort by seller. (I am double-checking right now) Ok, double-checked: Definitely do-able, so there's an option there.

2. As for hopefully-repeat buyers...how about asking them if they'd like to buy anymore at XX price and you will COD it to them instead of going through the auction house? I don't see how there could be anything wrong with cutting out the middleman, and the COD option in the mail keeps both sides safe, win/win. And if you notice the same person buying from you more than once, I don't see how an innocuous, polite ingame mail offer would offend anyone. Just let them know that if they "delete it or don't respond, you won't bother them again, thank you and have a nice day" kind of thing.

Lord knows I c ould use someone like that for Frostweave right now, ugh.

[Quasimodem]

Thanks, Tao! I'll give that a shot when I return to Alex.

At present, I'm in Cairne starting off my new Belf Hunter, Usumbij.

Interesting. I have never had a pet before and I now have this flying lobster thing whose name is Dragonhawk, and little feller just jumps right in after we shoot and starts fighting. I think that if I don't join in the fray, though, the thing we're fighting would win, yes?

You're not on Alex, Tao, are you, because I also farm Frostweave. I go to Gundrak and Vanguard in Icecrown for that.

Thanks

Q

[Mister Rik]

Originally Posted by Shot From Guns

I wasn't there, so I can't comment. All I can say is you seem to be describing a behavior that only you see. Which, IIRC, seems to have happened more than once. Also, I thought that your complaint was about them being mounted on top of the NPC? Now you appear to be bothered by them mounting up between kills or something?

Apologies, I was describing two separate things which you appear to have conflated, which I'll admit is probably my fault for describing both scenarios back-to-back and having both involve large mounts (and I sort of loosely tied the two things together my own self). I'll try to separate them more clearly:

Scenario #1: NPC "Blocking", which indeed frustrates me, whether it's done deliberately or not. The way you describe your own way of doing it actually sounds different from what I see on my main server (and maybe it just is Lightbringer, and you've just been fortunate to play on servers where people don't do this). Your description sounds like you ride up/land next to the NPC, do your business, and move on. I actually don't have much problem with that. What I'm seeing is people who ride up/land next to the NPC and then sit there and sit there and sit there. Seriously, it doesn't take 5 minutes to talk to the Fishing Daily questgiver in Stormwind. Also, the tag <Away> in front of the character's name is usually a giveaway.

Scenario #2: "Obsessive" mount-sitting, which I merely find baffling and somewhat amusing, and to which I was simply attempting to apply a bit of amateur psychoanalysis (the stuff about "legitimacy"). It stands out to me because it's almost entirely done (at least on my server) by people with "epic" mounts. I don't often see people on their basic racial mounts sitting unmoving in the middle of the bridge in front of the Ironforge AH or in the doorway of the Dalaran bank.

I hate to play this card, but if you can't click on an NPC that has anything fewer than a few hundred players on it, you're doing it wrong.

When the mounts are 4x-5x the size of the NPC, it doesn't take more than a handful of them to mostly obscure the NPC, especially when they have the NPC completely surrounded. Hell, a single male tauren or draenei can obscure an NPC even without a mount. It's really more of an issue when it's an unfamiliar NPC that I haven't seen before and so I don't know exactly where he is (in this case, NPCs in Hyjal). There's a yellow "!" on my minimap, but that only gets me in the general vicinity; when that entire vicinity is a mass of extra-large mounts and flapping wings, it is honestly very difficult for me to find the NPC.

Not bothering to dismount and simply being near the NPC, so that it may be blocked from certain angles? Not a problem.

Some NPCs are only approachable from those certain angles due to their proximity to walls and other fixed objects, but yeah.

Originally Posted by gnoitall

Again, your complaints may have merit, but they risk being overbroad. Jerkface parks his mount on top of an NPC because he want to grief someone. You get mad. I park my mount on top of the NPC because I want to transact some business, but I will be flying away momentarily. Will you get mad at me? If so, that's rather unbalanced, because there's no ill intent. All the animus starts with you. You are the aggressor, at least in intent. Other than inconveniencing you, I've done you no harm, and "inconveniencing" is not an actual wrong. It's part of the cost of living among other sovereign individuals.

As I replied to SFG above, no, I'm talking about the people who, for whatever reason, sit for several minutes in front of/on top of the NPC.

The nice thing about analogies is that you can pick anything you want if it supports your argument. What if the guy isn't driving a sports car, but a large truck, and parks "legally". But the parking lot is small, and the truck crowds the slot, and now the slot next to it is almost unusable. Is this also an affront to your right to park?

No. I can tell the difference between the truck driver's "I did my best, but, well, this thing's big" and the sportscar driver's arrogant, "I'll park how I please because my ride is so awesome that it entitles me to park like a jerk." Though I have grumbled about the way I can park between two motorcycles, and when I come back out of the store the motorcycles will have been replaced by a Suburban on one side and an Escalade on the other, and now I can't see a thing (except directly behind me) when I back out of my spot. It's a conspiracy!

Take that position and you risk everyone believing your core opinion is "if it inconveniences me in any way, I'm agin' it!"

Sometimes, people (me, in this case) just want to vent, hopefully to at least a few sympathetic ears. Blowing off steam on a forum is, IMO, much better than letting it build up until I snap and turn into a raging asshole in-game. Ever been at work, and you and some coworkers are bellyaching about some aspect of the job or some jerk customer? I believe this is healthy - it relieves the stress in a relatively harmless way.

Me: "God, don't you hate when blah blah blah?
Coworker: "Yeah, man, I hate that!"
Me: "Cool. All right, back at it."
Coworker: "Let's do it."

And then you get a manager who doesn't grasp this concept, and overhears the complaints and decides it's time for a stern lecture about how important our customers are to us and if we didn't have any customers the business would go under and then I wouldn't have a paycheck and blah blah blah blah blah. Apparently it would be better for the employees to just put a lid on it and let it build up until they turn to drugs and alcohol, or maybe show up to work one day with a semiautomatic rifle and a whole bunch of ammo.

But I just wonder why, each time I gripe about something in the game that bugs me, SFG immediately responds as if I'm making a personal attack on her style of play.

Frame rates. Yeah, some of the effects are over the top. Still, how many FPS do you need to interact with a questgiver? If your hardware can't tolerate the heavy graphics, maybe you should push down the image quality? If it happens with the effects of a mount in town, that's harmless; if it happens in the middle of a graphically-intense fight, what are you going to do? 7 FPS is pretty close to guaranteeing "death by standing in fire".

Eh, I don't raid so I can't speak to what happens in those situations, but in WotLK dungeons, only HoL has ever given me any trouble graphically, though I don't know why that is. I go in there and even with everything turned down my FPS sits around 14-15. I just thought it was funny that this single Frostbrood Destroyer had enough going on to instantly squash my FPS like that.

[jayjay]

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

At present, I'm in Cairne starting off my new Belf Hunter, Usumbij.

Interesting. I have never had a pet before and I now have this flying lobster thing whose name is Dragonhawk, and little feller just jumps right in after we shoot and starts fighting. I think that if I don't join in the fray, though, the thing we're fighting would win, yes?

You'll get better control over your pet when you hit lvl 10. Right now, the pet is yours, but it's doing its own thing. At lvl 10, you get to start giving it commands like "Attack that thing over there" or "Move over here" or "Don't attack at all...I'm just going to shoot by myself".

Depending on your pet, you may want it to tank for you. You can (at lvl 10) make it attack a mob, let it get aggro, then start shooting to kill it. A hunter is a DPS class, with an auxiliary tank/extra DPS/etc, depending on the type of pet.

[Apollyon]

Originally Posted by jayjay

"Rassinfrassin stupid...if I'd known I was going to end up picking spider eggs off a bear's hinder I'd have stayed in the damn grave..."

Complaint from the Guild Master (well... Guild Mistress actually) last night as she quested in Hyjal: "80 frickin levels of adventuring and I have to rescue bunnies and squirrels?!" Followed by various comments about the slipperiness of the critters. And then she got the follow on quest.

Originally Posted by Jas09

As for why there is a personal reputation limit, it's basically because the whole point of guild rep is to encourage guild loyalty...

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. It's a pity that "time served" has no bearing... I've been in the same guild since starting playing WoW a few months before BC.

Originally Posted by Jas09

As far as I can tell guild rank has no effect on any of these.

*snarf* Yes, same GM was not happy to find that she's "Recruit of Utu", after being GM for... umm... when did BC come out? Not long after that.

Originally Posted by Shot From Guns

I am about to be your new best friend. Love me forever.

NoGuildReputationWarning: http://www.wowinterface.com/download...18981-1.1.html

It hides every "max reputation" message after the first for each play period.

Woot! /hug Thank you SFG!

[Quasimodem]

Originally Posted by jayjay

You'll get better control over your pet when you hit lvl 10. Right now, the pet is yours, but it's doing its own thing. At lvl 10, you get to start giving it commands like "Attack that thing over there" or "Move over here" or "Don't attack at all...I'm just going to shoot by myself".

Depending on your pet, you may want it to tank for you. You can (at lvl 10) make it attack a mob, let it get aggro, then start shooting to kill it. A hunter is a DPS class, with an auxiliary tank/extra DPS/etc, depending on the type of pet.

Wow! Looking forward to that, jayjay. I've always envied folks who ran around with a pet, and now I'm one of 'em!

My new toon on Cairne (Sunstrider Isle) got his first real compliment as a new level 6 from Magister Jaronis, who told him, "I am pleased to discover that you're at least somewhat competent, Usumbij."

Thanks

Q

[Shin Kell]

Ding! 85

Now to start running those dungeons and working on professions.

Then I get to do it all over again!

[Quasimodem]

Dayum, Shin! Grats!

Q

[jayjay]

I've noticed that, since the last patch, I can't ESC out of the opening narration when I start a new toon...that's annoying.

[Quasimodem]

Another Auction Q: If you see your time on auction items is getting short and you have no bids, is there a way to re-list all that are running short without having to receive them in the mail and going through the whole thing again? If not, it sure would be convenient to have such a thing, IMO.

Thanks

Q

[Quasimodem]

Originally Posted by jayjay

I've noticed that, since the last patch, I can't ESC out of the opening narration when I start a new toon...that's annoying.

I get the "Do you REALLY want to exit _________?" buttons, jay.

[Tom Scud]

Originally Posted by Apollyon

Complaint from the Guild Master (well... Guild Mistress actually) last night as she quested in Hyjal: "80 frickin levels of adventuring and I have to rescue bunnies and squirrels?!" Followed by various comments about the slipperiness of the critters. And then she got the follow on quest.

That quest was by far the hardest so far for me in Hyjal. Those little dudes are hard to catch!

[Taomist]

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

Another Auction Q: If you see your time on auction items is getting short and you have no bids, is there a way to re-list all that are running short without having to receive them in the mail and going through the whole thing again? If not, it sure would be convenient to have such a thing, IMO.

Thanks

Q

Not that I'm aware of, but if someone knows a way, I'd love to know as well!

[Mister Rik]

Yumpin' Yiminy! These nonstop instant-respawn mobs are pure murder on my mage! I've never run out of mana so quickly and so often. She keeps getting stuck in one spot while one new mob after another appears in basically the same spot and immediately aggros on her.

OTOH, I'm enjoying the challenge of having to make full use of every tool at my disposal for once. Instead of Mana Shield-Fireball-Fireball-Fireball it's more like Mana Shield-Living Bomb-Fireball-Dragon's Breath-Fireball-Scorch...

Got both my paladin and my mage to 81. My paladin was so well-geared to begin with that the only drop/quest reward she's equipped so far has been a trinket that beat Mirror of Truth. I've put several pieces of new gear on the mage, though. I'm finding GearScore's rankings kind of puzzling, though. It would appear that, as far as GS is concerned, purple beats green simply by virtue of being purple. I've actually replaced a couple pieces of T10 with quest greens, and watched my GS drop with each replacement even when the new pieces are superior in every way, even taking gems and set bonuses into account.

[martu]

Originally Posted by Tom Scud

Vol'Jin. Val'Jin stole a loaf of bread, I believe. Also, note Thrall's words from the cut scene. (Speaking of which, do the Allies also get a very special message from Thrall?)

Yes the Alliance get a cut scene showing Thrall at the Maelstrom.

Rolled a Worgen rogue and took him to level 12 last night, the story is very well executed. It was a bit annoying to ding during a phased event nowhere near a trainer to pick up new abilities but that's a minor quibble. The music was awesome while the accents were pretty terrible but I expect only us Brits will consider that a problem.

[lizardling]

Originally Posted by jayjay

Half the Horde leaders hate Garrosh's guts. Sylvanas, Baine, and Vol'jin all want to gut him in his sleep. The other two leaders are non-entities at the moment (seriously...can ANY Horde player name the Blood Elf leader off the top of their head?). I'm not sure where the overall Horde storyline is going, but it doesn't look all that cushy for Garrosh.

Not that Alliance aren't having their own internal problems at the moment...

Ooh! Ooh! I know the answer! *waves hand*

"Lor'themar!"

"Who?"

(courtesy of Boom De Yada )

BTW Kushiel, there was a pretty decent WoW fanfic out there about Lor'themar's difficulties serving as Regent if you're interested. I thought it filled in the cardboard cutout pretty well.

jayjay, I'm pretty unfamiliar with Alliance politics, so if you could bullet point for a Hordie, that would be super. From what I've seen, it seems like SW, Darn, and Gilneas are dealing with the fallout of the Shattering + Sylvanas getting a bug in her bonnet. I still haven't played through Hillsbrad as a new Forsaken, so I don't know what the story there is re the bug-in-bonnet.

--

Re: the new hunter walkthrough -- it drove me nuts when I rolled a baby worgen hunter. Argh. It's really nice for people who've never played a hunter before, but for someone whose main is a hunter, it's an itch you can't scratch. "AIEEE MOB COOTIES! AIEE I AM BLEEDING!"

[martu]

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

Another Auction Q: If you see your time on auction items is getting short and you have no bids, is there a way to re-list all that are running short without having to receive them in the mail and going through the whole thing again? If not, it sure would be convenient to have such a thing, IMO.

Thanks

Q

You can do this via the Armory Auction house webpage for your character (log on here http://us.battle.net/wow/en/) or using the Mobile Armory App for the iPhone or Android though not in game as far as I know.

[Mogle]

Originally Posted by Mister Rik

Yumpin' Yiminy! These nonstop instant-respawn mobs are pure murder on my mage! I've never run out of mana so quickly and so often. She keeps getting stuck in one spot while one new mob after another appears in basically the same spot and immediately aggros on her.

Yeah, happened to me too(and when the Burning Crusade was released), they adjust the respawn rate to the number of people in the zone, so with the amount of people leveling right now, the respawns are pretty short.

Originally Posted by martu

Rolled a Worgen rogue and took him to level 12 last night, the story is very well executed. It was a bit annoying to ding during a phased event nowhere near a trainer to pick up new abilities but that's a minor quibble. The music was awesome while the accents were pretty terrible but I expect only us Brits will consider that a problem.

Oh, come on, have you ever met a real Gilnean? If you haven't, how do you know that the worgens aren't using a proper Gilnean accent ?

Anyway, me and my guildies have started doing a heroics now, only done three so far, Lost City of the Tol'vir, The Vortex Pinnacle and Blackrock Caverns. The trash isn't very hard, but some of the bosses are pretty nasty, most of them have something new added on top of the abilities they have on normal and they have a lot of hp(or our dps is just very low right now) so it feels like it takes forever to kill them. All in all, a whole lot of fun.

[martu]

Originally Posted by Mogle

Oh, come on, have you ever met a real Gilnean? If you haven't, how do you know that the worgens aren't using a proper Gilnean accent ?

Oh for sure could be real however it's almost a comedy accent at times, think that American fella chimney sweep in Mary Poppins. Though it is the female voices more than the male that grate.

[jayjay]

Originally Posted by lizardling

jayjay, I'm pretty unfamiliar with Alliance politics, so if you could bullet point for a Hordie, that would be super. From what I've seen, it seems like SW, Darn, and Gilneas are dealing with the fallout of the Shattering + Sylvanas getting a bug in her bonnet. I still haven't played through Hillsbrad as a new Forsaken, so I don't know what the story there is re the bug-in-bonnet.

Alliance problems include Varian Wrynn (which is a previously known problem), Gnomeregan, while nominally under Mekkatorque's control, isn't exactly SAFE or even under his actual control, there's all kinds of shenanigans going on in Darnassus with Staghelm's disappearance and Malfurion showing up, the worgen are hardly a non-problem (they appear to have the same general relationship to the rest of the Alliance as the Forsaken have to the Horde), and there's been a bit of a Dark Iron coup in Ironforge.

[Bosstone]

I'm surprised how quick getting to 85 is. I know it's only 5 levels, but I'd had the impression they were putting in just as much high-level content as in Northrend and Outland. Go figure.

[Jas09]

Originally Posted by Bosstone

I'm surprised how quick getting to 85 is. I know it's only 5 levels, but I'd had the impression they were putting in just as much high-level content as in Northrend and Outland. Go figure.

I was with ya until 84. It seems to be taking as long to go from 84 to 85 as it did to go from 80 to 84 - although that's probably just me getting antsy to join the heroics/raiders.

Guild got down the boss in Baradin Hold last night! Not sure if it was realm first (no achievement for that), but most likely was. Sounded like an interesting fight, certainly harder than Archavon. I think they're planning on doing some more raiding today. I'm just trying to hit 85 and get somewhat geared by next week's runs.

I ran Halls of Origination last night - extremely solid concept in that one, IMO. Interesting trash, somewhat tricky bosses, and Brann - two thumbs up. Looking forward to it on heroic, where some of the boss mechanics will likely be pretty brutal.

[Tom Scud]

Originally Posted by Bosstone

I'm surprised how quick getting to 85 is. I know it's only 5 levels, but I'd had the impression they were putting in just as much high-level content as in Northrend and Outland. Go figure.

I definitely had the impression that they'd skimped on the high-level questing somewhat to (1) re-work the old world and (2) get more raiding stuff in place immediately.

[Mogle]

Originally Posted by Jas09

Guild got down the boss in Baradin Hold last night! Not sure if it was realm first (no achievement for that), but most likely was. Sounded like an interesting fight, certainly harder than Archavon. I think they're planning on doing some more raiding today. I'm just trying to hit 85 and get somewhat geared by next week's runs.

Would be nice to try it, too bad whoever designed Tol'Barad was an idiot. It is quite literally impossible for the attacker to win. You need to capture all three nodes(eots style capping) at the same time to win, so all the defender has to do is zerg one node and they win. Horde's held the place since the release.

[Ferret Herder]

Originally Posted by martu

Oh for sure could be real however it's almost a comedy accent at times, think that American fella chimney sweep in Mary Poppins. Though it is the female voices more than the male that grate.

Hijack: In an interview on NPR's show "Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me," Dick van Dyke blames the Irish accent coach who was assigned to him for the abominable result.

[Skammer]

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

At present, I'm in Cairne starting off my new Belf Hunter, Usumbij.

Ha, great name!

Originally Posted by Mister Rik

My paladin was so well-geared to begin with that the only drop/quest reward she's equipped so far has been a trinket that beat Mirror of Truth. I've put several pieces of new gear on the mage, though.

The problem I'm having is that all the plate that drops is dps (or occasionally tanking) gear -- I have yet so see any spellcaster plate anywhere. I would just start wearing the dps gear to quest in, but that's an awful big hit to my mana pool. I'd probably have to go all the way and get a Ret spec, and then reforge a bunch of the new gear to bring my Hit up to an acceptable level.

I'd like to start queing for dungeons (especially with guildies) - is there a way to "discover" the dungeons before getting to them in the course of questing? I'm about halfway through Vash and have not found ToT yet -- can I just go there? Can I just fly down to Blackrock Mtn to find the other one?

[gnoitall]

Originally Posted by jayjay

Alliance problems include Varian Wrynn (which is a previously known problem), Gnomeregan, while nominally under Mekkatorque's control, isn't exactly SAFE or even under his actual control, there's all kinds of shenanigans going on in Darnassus with Staghelm's disappearance and Malfurion showing up, the worgen are hardly a non-problem (they appear to have the same general relationship to the rest of the Alliance as the Forsaken have to the Horde), and there's been a bit of a Dark Iron coup in Ironforge.

That's a good point. The Horde's issues are like that mobile home park down the road with the drunk dudes in wife-beaters, the drunk wives screaming at the drunk dudes, and the obnoxious kids shooting up street signs and shoplifting liquor. Absolutely obvious, even miles away. Whereas the Alliance is like one of those "perfect" families where they're just one sharp argument away from a divorce, or worse. The seeds of their own civil war (?) are planted.

[Palooka]

Maybe they're trying to setup Warcraft 4. That'd be sweet.

[Tom Scud]

So far, from Hyjal, I've only replaced a couple pieces of 245 gear, plus my helm (which I'm not sure was the right move, given that I thereby lost my meta slot) for a blue long-line quest reward. Oh, and my two-handed weapon; so far the stam is still a bit less than I'm already getting from my gemmed-up tank 251s and 264s.

[Skammer]

I've replaced my weapon and neck (I love that they got rid of weapon skills, yay for being able to pick up an axe for the first time and being able to use it!), but like I said no spell plate yet :-(.

[Shot From Guns]

Originally Posted by gnoitall

FWIW, I don't think hyperbole is helpful.

That wasn't intended as hyperbole. The only time I've had any problem clicking on an NPC that wasn't being deliberately blocked by a large mount, ever, was just before Cata launch, when there were literally dozens or possibly even over a hundred PCs on top of the new flight trainer in SW (IIRC to defend it from a Horde attack). And you know what? I was still able to interact with the NPC after only a couple of seconds, without using a target macro combined with an "interact" keybind.

So if I, in that clusterfuck, can still manage to reach an NPC (as it appears that you were also able to do), surely you won't be surprised if I make this face about someone who claims to be blocked from a questgiver--who has extra interaction space due to their ? or !--by a handful of people on flyers.

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

What pissed ME off is declining a duel and either having the guy or girl repeatedly ask or in one case last night on the VK dock, running back and forth at Wolk' and Silka with her tiger, ad nauseam. So I asked her if she was having fun being an ass?

Someone running at you or through you really isn't a negative thing to do. It's possible that it wasn't even about you--sometimes while waiting for boats, I'll run around or fly around, and I'm sure that sometimes I run through other people without even noticing it. Spamming duel invites would be rude, though.

Originally Posted by Mister Rik

What I'm seeing is people who ride up/land next to the NPC and then sit there and sit there and sit there.

Yeah, I see this happen, too--when I've been out questing, each NPC usually has at least a handful of people sitting near or on top of it. I just turn my nameplates off for a second so I don't accidentally attack a Horde player and get on with my questing. It hasn't caused me any problems with being able to interact with NPCs.

Scenario #2: "Obsessive" mount-sitting, which I merely find baffling and somewhat amusing, and to which I was simply attempting to apply a bit of amateur psychoanalysis (the stuff about "legitimacy").

The mounts are cool. Of course we're going to use them. What, I should get a lucky drop or a reward for hard work at meta achievements and then never use it? I shouldn't ever put on any of my titles, either? I'll admit it--when I got my Bloodbathed Frostbrood Vanquisher, you bet your ass I hovered in front of the bank with some of the friends who'd just gotten theirs, too. It's an achievement and I have a right to be proud of it.

Sometimes, people (me, in this case) just want to vent, hopefully to at least a few sympathetic ears. [...] But I just wonder why, each time I gripe about something in the game that bugs me, SFG immediately responds as if I'm making a personal attack on her style of play.

Because you don't just vent. You turn it into a critique of the playstyle. If all you said was, "Man, it really bugs me when people don't dismount before talking to NPCs," I'd probably just let it pass. But what you did was make a massive blanket ad hom against everybody who doesn't dismount. Which includes me, and a lot of other people in this thread. Which, of course, I'm not going to react kindly to.

I mean, how would you react if I said something like, "Everybody who isn't a hardcore raider is just too stupid to learn basic mechanics and they should stop playing the game"?

Originally Posted by jayjay

I've noticed that, since the last patch, I can't ESC out of the opening narration when I start a new toon...that's annoying.

Which patch? I've had no problems doing it--I just get a confirmation box when I hit Esc now.

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

Another Auction Q: If you see your time on auction items is getting short and you have no bids, is there a way to re-list all that are running short without having to receive them in the mail and going through the whole thing again?

AFAIK, there's no way to "extend" existing auctions. It sounds like the big PITA for you is the mail. I'd suggest picking up an addon called Postal. It adds a button to your mailbox that will open all attachments on your mail, including mail from the Auction House. (You can customize it to open or ignore AH win mails, AH canceled auction mails, AH expired auction mails, and non-AH mails.) It makes life sooooo much easier.

Originally Posted by martu

The music was awesome while the accents were pretty terrible but I expect only us Brits will consider that a problem.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Pip pip cheerio crisps lorry guv'nah!

Originally Posted by Skammer

The problem I'm having is that all the plate that drops is dps (or occasionally tanking) gear

Hah! I've been seeing a lot of "Pally trash," at least as quest rewards.

I'd like to start queing for dungeons (especially with guildies) - is there a way to "discover" the dungeons before getting to them in the course of questing? I'm about halfway through Vash and have not found ToT yet -- can I just go there? Can I just fly down to Blackrock Mtn to find the other one?

BRC you can discover just by running up to the entrance. ToT I assume is the same, though I was summoned to the entrance by friends. Vortex Pinnacle you can fly to at any level (it's in the air off the southern coast of Uldum, kind of like the Tempest Keep instances in Netherstorm). Stonecore, unfortunately, I think you have to be 82 to discover, since AFAIK the only way to get to Deepholme is to port there from SW. (Possibly party members could summon you to the instance--I haven't tried.)

[Skammer]

Cool, it sounds like I only need to look at a map to figure out where they are and go there.

[Shot From Guns]

There I go again, forgetting to make my post!

New info of note: If you're questing in a group, and one of you picks up an item that starts a quest, share the quest with your party after you accept it. It will give them the quest and create a copy of the item in their bags. When I was questing in VJ last night, I figured this out accidentally, and I was able to share every single drop quest with my friend (except for the one from the head on the elite giant dude, but he was in range when I killed him and was able to loot the head himself).

Pushed a bit into 83 last night, as well as Honored with Hyjal. Was annoyed to discover that you can't even buy the rep rewards until you reach the right character level, so I had to haul my ass back to get them instead of picking them up at 82 and carrying them around. Oh well--I eventually got the tanking neck and DPS ring, even if I had to go back for them. I'm working on Earthen Ring, now, since they'll be my Arcanum. Unfortunately, I didn't notice that only the quests from actual ER NPCs in VJ were giving rep, so I "wasted" a lot of time on other quests there instead of pushing hard rep-related quests.

Did a tiny bit of Archaeology at the end of the night. It makes a nice way to wind down, so I think I'm going to do that. On the agenda for this evening: profession leveling. I really need to get crackin' on those so that I can take advantage of the crafted items (e.g., the Alchemy trinket). I'll probably spend some time farming on the DK and then buy the rest of what I need--I've already picked up a few thousand more gold since the xpac launched, bringing me up to probably about 25k, so I won't be hurting there if I need to blow a wad on mats.

[Taomist]

Originally Posted by martu

You can do this via the Armory Auction house webpage for your character (log on here http://us.battle.net/wow/en/) or using the Mobile Armory App for the iPhone or Android though not in game as far as I know.

Nice, thank you

[Quasimodem]

SFG, did you mean "mail opener", because there isn't an add-on that is just "mail".

Thanks

Q

[Alka Seltzer]

My copy still hasn't turned up, so no Cata for me this weekend. Looks like I'll only get a chance to dip my toe in before Christmas, and I'll be doing my levelling in the new year.

[Tom Scud]

Originally Posted by Shot From Guns

New info of note: If you're questing in a group, and one of you picks up an item that starts a quest, share the quest with your party after you accept it. It will give them the quest and create a copy of the item in their bags. When I was questing in VJ last night, I figured this out accidentally, and I was able to share every single drop quest with my friend (except for the one from the head on the elite giant dude, but he was in range when I killed him and was able to loot the head himself).

Wow. THAT would have changed the Broken Hilt dynamics COMPLETELY.

[DigitalC]

I just tamed a beetle and called him Ringo. I am endlessly amused by this.

[Quasimodem]

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

SFG, did you mean "mail opener", because there isn't an add-on that is just "mail".

Thanks

Q

Ah fuck. It's POSTAL, Quasi, you idjit.

Sorry, SFG

[Quasimodem]

Gonna pick up Archaeology for Usumbij. Already made him a skinner and blacksmith.

Q

PS: levelled him to 8 last night. It sure helps to have done this with Wolkie and makes things run a lot quicker.

[Clawdio]

On the gear upgrade thing, i think by the time i got to 83 i had only replaced one or two items (as a druid tank). But now a little into 84, the only thing left from level 80 is my trinkets.

I really enjoyed Hyjal & Deepholm, and now i'm working my way through Uldum and that zone is really cool too. Maybe i'm easy to please, but i am currently loving just about everything about this expansion.

I also have the feeling that leveling was happening too fast.... just want to take in all the zones. but i guess getting to the level cap won't really stop that.

The only thing i'm down on, is that i'm pretty indifferent towards archaeolgy. I did a couple digs and i've gotta say it's lost my interest lol. does it get better?

Ran vortex pinnacle last night - pretty cool, but worried about what heroic will be like lol.

[kushiel]

Originally Posted by Tom Scud

So far, from Hyjal, I've only replaced a couple pieces of 245 gear, plus my helm (which I'm not sure was the right move, given that I thereby lost my meta slot) for a blue long-line quest reward. Oh, and my two-handed weapon; so far the stam is still a bit less than I'm already getting from my gemmed-up tank 251s and 264s.

I equipped a couple of pieces of gear that gave me more AGI for my hunter and my Gearscore went down around 2000 points, so I think I'm going to go back and equip the previous gear.

[Jas09]

Originally Posted by Clawdio

Ran vortex pinnacle last night - pretty cool, but worried about what heroic will be like lol.

That's the one with the crazy glowing orbs of doom, right? Wiped a few times on those... can't imagine what the AOE damage is gonna look like on heroic...

[jayjay]

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

Gonna pick up Archaeology for Usumbij. Already made him a skinner and blacksmith.

Are you sure you want him to be a skinner and a blacksmith? The gathering skill that synergies with blacksmith is mining...you use the metals you mine to make stuff with BS. Skinning won't help you with BS at all. And with the new ability to track more than one thing at a time, you can be a hunter with a gathering skill that tracks (like mining or herbalism) now.

[Clawdio]

Originally Posted by Jas09

That's the one with the crazy glowing orbs of doom, right? Wiped a few times on those... can't imagine what the AOE damage is gonna look like on heroic...

yeah, seeing them the first time is the best, i think my thought process went something like:

"hey i wonder what all those glowing things are.... are they moving towards us?..... wait, i think they're shooting at us....... ZOMGWTFBBQ"

my group didn't wipe, but we sure tried!

[hdc_bst]

Originally Posted by jayjay

Are you sure you want him to be a skinner and a blacksmith? The gathering skill that synergies with blacksmith is mining...you use the metals you mine to make stuff with BS. Skinning won't help you with BS at all. And with the new ability to track more than one thing at a time, you can be a hunter with a gathering skill that tracks (like mining or herbalism) now.

Quasi, I agree with jayjay. If you want to try a crafting profession, I'd recommend leatherworking. The raw materials for it are provided by your skinning, and as a hunter you wear leather (before level 40) and mail (after level 40), both of which are made by leatherworking.

Alternatively, you could pick another gathering profession like herbalism (flowers can brighten your day) or mining (back to the slave pits).

[Palooka]

The best match for any crafting profession is whatever activity provides the highest gold per hour. It might be mining, skinning, farming golden pearls, running dailies, going to your real job and buying gold. Whatever. Picking a gathering profession because it supplies materials ignores the realities of how the WoW economy functions.

The reason not to take skinning on a hunter is that running up to a mob and skinning it kills your XP/hour. If you don't care about hitting 85 ASAP, that doesn't matter.

[jayjay]

Originally Posted by Palooka

The best match for any crafting profession is whatever activity provides the highest gold per hour. It might be mining, skinning, farming golden pearls, running dailies, going to your real job and buying gold. Whatever. Picking a gathering profession because it supplies materials ignores the realities of how the WoW economy functions.

The reason not to take skinning on a hunter is that running up to a mob and skinning it kills your XP/hour. If you don't care about hitting 85 ASAP, that doesn't matter.

Am I just projecting every time I read a post by you and hear you thinking as you typed it, "What a bunch of stupid newbs! Don't they know anything about the Right Way To Play WoW (i.e., My Way To Play WoW)?", or am I really picking up an awful lot of disdain?