Greatest Military Leader elimination game (setup thread)

Who was the greatest military leader?

You may nominate up to five noteworthy leaders, be they generals, admirals or military officers of any rank, as well as monarchs, warlords or chieftains actually commanding on the battlefield, describing each in no more than five words. Define “greatest” as you see fit. Military leaders on the land, at sea or in the air are eligible for nomination. Even just a single noteworthy triumph is sufficient for nomination, if you wish.

To avoid contemporary political disputes, your nominees must have been either retired or dead before 2000.

Nominations will close at noon EST a week from today, Thurs. Aug. 12. After the deadline, I’ll arrange the nominees alphabetically, and we’ll vote them out much as we did in the U.S. President, greatest American and greatest national leader elimination games.

My nominees:

Henry V: Warrior-king; won at Agincourt.
George Washington: Trenton, Princeton, Yorktown victor, hero.
Napoleon Bonaparte: Conquered most of Europe.
Frederick the Great: Prussian king and battlefield genius.
Lord Nelson: Royal Navy admiral; Trafalgar victor.

Subutai, general to Genghis Khan, conquered more territory than any other military leader in the history of the world.

That’s one bad ass motherfu-

Is that your five-word description? :dubious: :wink:

Robert E. Lee – beloved, aggressive underdog
T. J. “Stonewall” Jackson – embodiment of maneuver and offense
Marc Mitscher – master of operational carrier warfare
William Tecumseh Sherman – logistics, maneuver as strategic warfare
Hannibal – greatest tactical genius?

I really want to add Alexander the Great – small state to world-conqueror – but I’m confident someone will pick him up, and I wanted to make sure the others get on.

Alexander the Great conquered the known-world and thensome

I’ll be happy to participate in the voting rounds, but don’t really have any leaders to suggest.

I lied:

John Churchill, Duke of Marlborough master of early modern war
Gustavus Adolphus Made Sweden a great power
Sebastien Le Prestre de Vauban Great military engineer
Mehmet the Conqueror Took Constantinople

The only one I can think of that might not be mentioned:

Vo Nguyen Giap - Won Dien Bien Phu, Vietnam.

Julius Caesar - Rome’s most brilliant commander.
Khalid ibn al-Walid - Architect of the Arab conquests.
Genghis Khan - Built the perfect war machine.

and what the heck…

Timur-e-Lang - The scourge of Western Asia.

Only five? Jeez…

:wink:

ETA: Argh. Tom Scud slipped in and stole Marlborough. Okay, replace him with Belisarius - Justinian’s hammer.

Thanks. I had the name “Khaled” in the back of my mind but couldn’t be arsed to look him up.

Nyah, got there first. So I guess you get another pick.

ETA: obviously Tamerlane snuck in with his edit.

Titokicked the Germans out Yugoslavia

3 more if I can think of them

I really think you should separate land, sea, and air.

Wellington: Successes in India, thrashed Napoleon.
Julius Caesar: Hispania, Gallia, Cleopatra.
Cortez: conquered South America.
Hugh Dowding: won Battle of Britain.

My choice of admiral, Nelson, has already been stolen so I’ll offer

Themistocles: Marathon, Artemisium, Salamis.

Oh just so we get to vote him off the island

Curtis LeMay:reorganized the Strategic Air Command

Sun Tzu-Wrote the book Eastern warfare
Carl von Clausewitz-wrote the book Western warfare
Scipio Africanus-Stopped Carthage and Hannibal
Kong Ming/Zhuge Liang-Greatest tactician Three Kingdoms China
Akbar the Great-Mughal emperor that conquered [most of] India.

George McClellan, inventor of the strategy of not taking casualties by not taking the offensive.

Eisenhower That whole victory thing

Grant For being what McClellan was not

Ho Chi Minh Took on a superpower and walked away

John Paul Jones First of the great admirals

Some great suggestions so far - thanks! A word of caution: those who cannot limit themselves to five words will have it done for them.

Lee and Jackson, yes, absolutely. Also John Mosby, J.E.B. Stuart, and Nathaniel Bedford Forrest.
As for General William Tecumseh Sherman May-he-rot-in-Hell, absolutely not. That fucking arsonist was a war criminal, and should have been hung.

A point of eligibility: Does Archimedes qualify? So far as I know, he never stepped foot on the battlefield himself, but his inventions were sufficient to hold off the greatest military in the world at the time.

I’ve been beaten to Julius Caesar. So I’ll substitute someone next week.

Philip “Little Phil” Sheridan: Grant’s troubleshooter. Indian fighter extraordinaire.