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Old 08-08-2010, 03:50 PM
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How often do people successfully run from the police?

In this day and age, with police having radios and often helicopters, it seems like it would be futile to run from the police under most circumstances. Do suspects actually get away very often? On Cops they never do, but I've heard that they don't show unsuccessful chases because they don't want to encourage people to try.
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Old 08-08-2010, 04:14 PM
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They definitely do - I was in an armed robbery a few years ago where they never caught the guys.
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Old 08-08-2010, 04:16 PM
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I've read news reports where police were criticized for hair raising chases that endangered the public. Some places the cops will break off pursuit if it gets dangerous. The person gets away temporarily.

Policy on running from cops varies. There was an incident here in my city in the 1990's. Cop shot a unarmed runner. There was a big local debate about it. I can't recall if he was suspended or not.

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Old 08-08-2010, 04:20 PM
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People flee by foot and vehicle and get away all the time. It isn't that hard to lose the police during a chase. I know several people that have done it. Finding a place to stay hidden later is harder. Some police departments have policies that discourage car chases except for the most dangerous criminals because of the risk to innocent people and the officers. They figure that they will catch them sooner or later.
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Old 08-08-2010, 04:22 PM
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A lot more than they let you admit. I will neither confirm nor deny that I have escaped a cop on foot for a completely non violent offense.
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Old 08-08-2010, 04:24 PM
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Well, they often catch people later because they catch them doing something else, or because people talk.
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Old 08-08-2010, 06:51 PM
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I made the attempt once (stupid college idiot, probably still partially inebriated from the previous evening). I was driving probably double the speed limit, and blowing stop signs left and right in order to get to our favorite breakfast joint, which closed at 1pm (we'd probably been partying until about 5am and then napped a bit). The cop in question was approaching from the opposite direction and, by the time I saw him, my attempts at deceleration were futile. As he banged a u-turn, I dropped off the main street into a residential area and was (stupidly) looking for an open garage to hide in, which probably would have added a whole litany of charges.

When Johnny Law caught up and I gave up my flight attempt, his first words were, "Son, don't ever, ever pull that fuckin' shit again."

All in all, I suppose I was lucky to just get off with a speeding ticket. That dude should have dragged me from the car and given me a wood-shampoo.

I assume that he was probably in a good mood because he'd just eaten at our destination.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:11 PM
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I got away. You will think I am pulling your leg, but it is all 100% true.

I was 16 years old and totally fearless. Not a week before, my friend Chris had gone to jail for mowing mailboxes down all the way through a neighborhood in his grandmothers station wagon while we all cackled evilly (on his first day with a license). But I'm a slow learner. Oh wait I was 15, cuz I totalled that car on my 16th birthday. See this scar? Anyway.

I was 15, driving my mother's 1966 Dodge Coronet (metallic green) down Orange Grove Road. My friend Victor riding shotgun, we were going to pickup my girlfriend and drop her at school. 7:15 am on a weekday and the traffic is stacked up at the red light going the other way on this two lane road, everyone headed to work, I think it was a Monday. So I'm doing 85 mph in a 35 zone right by a playground between a bunch of neighborhoods. That's when I passed the cop.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&...00928&t=h&z=17

We were going west. He was going the other way, standing still in the long line of cars. I give him credit, he was pretty quick. He spun all the way around in a cloud of smoke as my friend's eyes got really big and he just started sputtering nonsense words. I mashed that pedal as hard as I could against the floor, but the heavy car only came with a slant six 196 automatic. Momentum was in my favor though.

The Po-Po was gaining fast, he must have been doing 100. The road has a slight curve, very slight (so slight you can't see it on googlemap), and I was watching the rearview, waiting for the moment when he could no longer see me around the curve. The moment arrived, there was my turn, a tight right into a neighborhood I knew well (I lived less than a mile away). But that Coronet wasn't made for racing. It became very obvious that I would never make it, I had hit the brakes too late. So I mashed the accelerator again. That was Jervey Road I just missed, if you are following on the map.

He was still, barely, out of sight as the next turn came. It was my girlfriend's neighborhood, basically just a circle (Avalon Circle, a few roads have been added since). This time I made it, a hard right onto a short street. Now, what? I coasted down the street to the curve, where an apartment complex was, and pulled into the parking lot, planning to ditch and run. We pulled into a parking spot, in plain sight. This was a bad plan. Hmm.

Right then, a car pulled out from between two buildings and left. Huh? There's a ROAD there. A HIDDEN ROAD. (Look, you can see the hidden road on satellite view, it's still there on North Avalon)

30 seconds later we were parked behind the building, out of the car, walking toward my girlfriends house on Joan Street. My heart was pounding hard. Where was the cop?

We walked the short block to her house and knocked on the door. Her mother looked at me, looked at the no-car-in-the-yard, back at me. I said nothing. My girl (later my wife) had the same expression as we walked to the corner. Victor was spilling the beans to her when the cop came around the corner.

He pulled up to us. Oh. He leans out the window and says, in a Southern drawl, "Y'all see a green Plymouth Fury come ba hya doin bout a hunnert miles an howah?" I looked him right in the eye and said, quote, "No sir. We've been standin here bout fifteen minutes and ain't seen nuthin." He said thanks and drove slowly down the street, toward the apartment complex, lookin' an thinkin'.

(He must have already cruised the other neighborhood, the first turn I didn't make, which is why I never saw him reappear in the rearview.) He pulled into the apartment parking lot. He looked around. We watched. Victor was about to pee in his pants. He backed out. He drove around the corner. He was gone.

We walked to the car and I drove her to school. I have never been so paranoid. Never saw the cop again.

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Old 08-08-2010, 10:25 PM
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I have seedy friends who have ran from the police on multiple occasions. People get away from the police a lot more than COPS would have you believe.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:54 PM
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who have *run

There is no escape from the grammar police. Why don't the kids these days use participles?
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:14 PM
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who have *run

There is no escape from the grammar police. Why don't the kids these days use participles?
You forgot to capitalize "Who".
Why don't kids these days use capitalization?

As to not derail the OP, no idea, but I'm betting it's a much higher number than you'd think (or want to think).
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:15 PM
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I didn't capitalize who because it isn't the first word of the original sentence.
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:07 AM
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They definitely do - I was in an armed robbery a few years ago where they never caught the guys.
What was your cut?

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Old 08-09-2010, 04:50 AM
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In car chases; 17.9 percent escape, and further 9 percent of chases are terminated (for putting bystanders at risk)

http://www.theiacp.org/LinkClick.asp...c%3d&tabid=392

With Helicopters involved, about 10 percent chance of escape.

http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/171695.pdf

On foot... no idea, most departments don't seem to have a foot pursuit policy and those that do vary wildly; so it would depend on where you're running. Some don't allow a single officer to pursuit on foot, some do, some leave it up to the officer.

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I would imagine that while cops actually train running after people, far fewer people train running away from people; the odds are in their favor. Running is also the second easiest way to get shot, after brandishing a weapon.
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Old 08-09-2010, 05:45 AM
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One effective technique seems to be running into a large block of flats (appartments) - the front-doors often lock automatically, meaning to police have to find someone to open it for them, and once you're inside you can dive into a specific flat and there's no trace of where you went.
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Old 08-09-2010, 06:29 AM
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I thought of three more times I ran. Twice was parties getting broken up so they don't really count.

The other time is a bit entertaining. I was 17 or so and I had this beat up VW bug. We were bored on a Saturday night, just cruising around by this strip mall. Over the years the building had been added to, resulting in a large tiled walkway big enough for a VW bug to drive around between the shops. So...

We were just piddling along, no one was around. I never knew there was a small Police office in there. The cop was on the phone when we idled by. He lifted the blinds up like he couldn't believe what he saw.

I hit the gas as he came running out. The cop cars were parked behind the strip mall, so I managed to hide behind the bank across the parking lot, in the drive-thru. Peeking around the corner we saw one, two, three cars speed away. We waited, then drove away.

His fellow officers probably teased him about the ghost car for years.

My personal ratio is 75% success. I was a wicked child.
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Old 08-09-2010, 06:34 AM
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In the UK, the vehicle chase policy is much more conservative than it is in the US (for example, the use of fishtailing to end a chase is very strongly discouraged), so if you drive stupidly enough in a residential area/town/urban environment and the police haven't had time to get a chopper overhead then you have a higher probability of escape. The police will back off if they consider the danger to the public too high. Of course, if you drive like that there is a high chance that you will lose it and wreck, so the police will definitely be attempting to cut you off via superior numbers and giving them a good idea of where you might ditch the car, assuming you don't plough into bus.

If you get chased on a motorway or a major A road you are very unlikely to escape if you get even one cop behind you - he will block your exit at each junction while reinforcements arrive (including chopper) and you've got nowhere to go but down the road. In this situation, a small group of cops will set up a rolling roadblock to back up traffic in very short order making a clean zone on the road allowing them to box you in, in the absence of members of the public.

Given the size of the UK, it's much less likely that you run into just 1 cop - if you attract the attention of a patrol car you will very quickly see several more spring up from seemingly nowhere, including unmarked units and specialist pursuit/traffic cops.

Even with all this, often people get away - the police always err on the side of safety (at least, officially), and they are sometimes caught out by conditions - they can't chase a bike across a park, for example, and even blowing red lights with the sirens on they have to take care when they cross a junction, unlike a fleeing vehicle that just hits the gas and hopes to barge through without crashing.
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Old 08-09-2010, 07:09 AM
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In my neighborhood in DC, the cops where chasing a kid in a stolen car. The kid lost control, hit a rowhouse and the kid bailed and ran away. The cops stopped chasing him to see if everyone was ok in the house, I don't know if they ever caught the kid, but I'm guessing no.
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Old 08-09-2010, 07:31 AM
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I did once, like everybody else, I got away with subterfuge.

We were coming down this long freeway that was downhill, racing (if you call it that...we had regular cars, 4 cylinder..I topped out the odometer at 80 mph.) At the end of the freeway, it merged into the highway. The highway was busy, so we slowed down and got in line with the rest of the cars. Suddenly, 4 police cars zoomed past us, apparently looking for those damn teenage racers.
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:08 AM
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I ran on accident once.

I was on the interstate, in a car with no speedometer, keeping pace with traffic around me (which, granted, put me at fault, since traffic usually goes 70 in 55 mph zones around here). Cop pulled out behind me, hit the lights. I pulled to the right side, and he followed; there happened to be an exit ramp there instead of a shoulder, so I took it down, rather than have a risky stop at the side of the interstate. I stopped at the bottom of the exit on the shoulder, hit the hazard lights, and killed the engine, then realized the cop wasn't behind me. I waited. And waited. No one.

After half an hour or so, I gave up, started the car back up, and drove home. I then called three different local agencies (state police and the then-separate city police and sheriff departments) to find out if I was in trouble. None had any idea about what I was talking about, and one guy simply said "Sounds like you got away!"
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:30 AM
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If you're counting cops breaking up underage drinking parties, especially in the woods, then it happens all the time - they're not going to call in multiple units and helicopters to track down everyone who ran - as long as they catch a few kids and the booze, they're generally satisfied.

When I was in high school, we had a designated victim who'd stay behind when the rest of us ran - his dad was a police lieutenant, so as soon as he identified himself the cops would reluctantly release everyone they had caught and had to satisfy themselves with the confiscated booze. Most of which never saw an evidence locker no doubt.
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:26 PM
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And now for one who didn't get away. If I remember dad's story correctly from his days as a cop:

Guy beats wife. Police arrive. Knowing it was handcuffs time, rather than sticking around, he runs out the back door, around to the front, and steals the police car. Then begins taunting the police on their own radio ("You'll never fuckin' get me, pigs," and the like - something would tell me that some kind of substance/insanity was involved). The pursuit ends up on the Interstate with wild dodging through traffic. Two tractor trailers join the game by forming a "moving roadblock," but he just barrels on through in between them. He ends up hitting a few cars (scraping, really). Which in at least one spot caused a brush fire. After about an hour (I seem to remember that there were shots fired by the police at this point), he wrecks the car. Meanwhile, every cop in the world is there (kinda' like that Blues Brothers scene).

When they drag the badly injured guy from the car, the sergeant (or whatever supervisory rank) breaks his nightstick over the guy's head (ouch! back in the old days when they were "billy-clubs") yelling, "you wrecked three of my f*cking cars!"

Dad tells the story better than I do. That story is the sole reason why, to this day, I do not engage in wife-beating or cop car-stealing.
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:40 PM
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I have a good friend who is a police officer, and he says that motorcycles who try to run from speeding tickets get away regularly. The tiny plates don't hurt either.

I also remember seeing an episode of COPS (from the 90's) where an older model camaro got away.
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:32 PM
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Dad tells the story better than I do. That story is the sole reason why, to this day, I do not engage in wife-beating or cop car-stealing.
So the only reason you don't beat your wife or steal cop cars is because the police will beat you? Good to know.
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:54 PM
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The only time I saw someone get away from the police on "Cops" they caught him later in the episode. It's almost like the television shows are only given/allowed to air the footage if the police catch the suspect.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:51 PM
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i am now 17 years old & when i was 15 me and a couple of my friends deceided to come to school & leave during 2nd period (that is because they only take attendence in 2nd period so they wont call our parents about us being absent) we had some weed and there is a ditch a couple of blocks from our school. we left during 2nd period just as planned. when we got off campus without being seen (so we thought) we thought we were all good. it was 5 of us. 3 guys 2 girls. my friend brooke was on my back & we were in a group. a cop car drove by. we saw it but nobody ran because we figured he would have pulled over. brooke got off my back just incase he would have pulled a u turn. he did & everybody scrambled. me and my friend irving were together & everybody stayed with atleast 1 person. we met up at the ditch the cop went after me & my friend but didnt succeed.




& everybody lived happily ever after until the next day when all of us got called to the office but since they didnt know it was us for sure (since we were present) nobody got in any kind of trouble
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Old 11-12-2012, 07:35 PM
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I ran on accident once.

I was on the interstate, in a car with no speedometer, keeping pace with traffic around me (which, granted, put me at fault, since traffic usually goes 70 in 55 mph zones around here). Cop pulled out behind me, hit the lights. I pulled to the right side, and he followed; there happened to be an exit ramp there instead of a shoulder, so I took it down, rather than have a risky stop at the side of the interstate. I stopped at the bottom of the exit on the shoulder, hit the hazard lights, and killed the engine, then realized the cop wasn't behind me. I waited. And waited. No one.

After half an hour or so, I gave up, started the car back up, and drove home. I then called three different local agencies (state police and the then-separate city police and sheriff departments) to find out if I was in trouble. None had any idea about what I was talking about, and one guy simply said "Sounds like you got away!"
Something like this happened to me once--I had had a fight with my girlfriend (I was 18 or so) and was speeding without realizing it on a thruway. Cop behind me put on his rollers and I immediately slowed down and started looking for a shoulder to pull over. But then he turned off the rollers and exited. I don't think it was that he got a higher priority call, because he would have kept his lights on.

As for running from a cop, I've never done that, or known anyone to. But the cops aren't perfect, some criminals must get away.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:00 AM
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....Running is also the second easiest way to get shot, after brandishing a weapon.
Well, I this, and am interested in why you say so.

More generally, I have always the rules of engagement in these situations: the "Freeze" command. When can you shoot a running offender?

I always wished Agent Starling hadn't said "freeze" to Buffalo Bill.
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:15 AM
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Of course zombies would have the advantage when fleeing from the police on foot - the helicopter's infrared camera wouldn't pick them up.

I would like to see a felon on one of those police-chase programmes run into a local gully and smear themselves in mud to hide from the chopper Arnie-in-Predator style.
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:19 AM
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In this day and age, with police having radios and often helicopters, it seems like it would be futile to run from the police under most circumstances. Do suspects actually get away very often? On Cops they never do, but I've heard that they don't show unsuccessful chases because they don't want to encourage people to try.
I'm faster than any police officer I've seen. In my early teens I ran from about 3 police officers with ease after stealing a large bottle of vodka from a supermarket.

I am not proud of my actions, but I never got caught.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:17 AM
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I have a good friend who is a police officer, and he says that motorcycles who try to run from speeding tickets get away regularly. The tiny plates don't hurt either.
A friend of mine is a motorcyclist and had a few speedfreak buddies. Apparently the expert followers of the London Way of Motorcycle Naughtiness rely on having plates which are removable and/or easily covered, and a good knowledge of exactly which roads allow high speed while being in the ATC zones for Heathrow Airport.
Remove/cover plates, indulge in high-speed shenanigans, lose the pursuit in an arewhere the helicopters can't get permission to fly, reattach/uncover plates and potter sedately home.
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:35 AM
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If the police are after you, don't try to go on the lam.

It's far better to simply lie low or stay at the hideout with your gang.
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Old 11-17-2012, 06:48 AM
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German extortionist Arno Funke (aka »Dagobert«) had a number of close escapes from the police. In one famous incident, Funke, riding on a bicycle, was pursued by a SWAT police officer on foot who was about to grab the bad guy when the law enforcement officer slipped and fell to the ground (at the time, it was widely reported the policeman slipped on dog poop).
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:29 PM
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Running away from armed officers is extremely easy If you're in even half decent shape, cos generally they will have all the gear on.

I ran away from 2 armed officers at a train station for not having a valid ticket, after the fake details I gave them didn't check out, I bolted and hid in a backyard for a few minutes, gapped them by about 40 metres in 300 metres of running. Usually officers are quite fat of big, and aren't really fleet of footed, something to bear in mind
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:47 PM
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Okay, now that this thread is alive again and we're all talking story . . .

I saw two car chases in 2005 on LIVE TV thanks to modern Action McNews helicopters that had interesting outcomes (in both cases, they got caught):

(1)
Some crazy wild chase. As one might expect the McCopters didn't get there right at the start of it. But it was wild: On freeways, partly in a semi-rural area; into the outskirts of a city; circuitous route on major thoroughfares in heavy traffic. Just like you see on TV (well, it was on TV) with crazy driving through busy intersections, dodging cars all around, while other cars skidded and swerved to avoid hitting it and each other. We viewers were of one opinion: Damn, that driver is good!

Eventually the guy turned into a smaller side street, where the McCopter view was obscured by an adjacent multi-story structure. Cops were about two blocks behind, trying to drive safely. McCopter hovers over side street — but the car never came out the other end of the block, and there didn't seem to be any car in that block either! WTF? It just vanished.

Turned out, that multi-story structure was a parking garage. Apparently, the driver turned into the garage and just blended into the traffic there, and parked somewhere. Then, the occupant(s) got out and casually wandered into an adjacent department store.

Somehow they got recognized in the store, and were arrested. That came out on a later newscast that evening.

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Car chase on some sort of highway in a sort of up-scale-looking semi-rural-looking area (think, something like a country club community or something like that). Car eventually turns off the road and ditches. Literally, into a ditch. Property on other side of ditch is fenced. Driver jumps out, climbs over fence, onto adjacent property. Cops, a little bit behind, do likewise.

Meanwhile, about that fenced property: It was a large park-like area with a lawn. Maybe a church grounds or a country club area. Guy was running across lawn, with cops chasing. Also on grounds was a small grove of palm trees, and another grassy area on the other side of that. There was a gazebo there and a smallish crowd of people, seemingly paying attention of some event going on. (We guessed, maybe, a wedding?)

Three people in that event audience took off after the running guy. (They were well dressed, like white tuxedos or something like that.) They were closer to him than the cops were. They caught up with him, tackled him, and took him down. Then the cops caught up and got him.

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Old 05-13-2013, 11:59 PM
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Back in the day, when this thread started, our city had no legal places to skate. And we discovered that when cops decided to do a sweep of the popular skateboarding/rollerblading/stunt bike spots, it was much more efficient to just take off the second you spotted them coming. And run flat out through back yards and alleys, over fences, through buildings.

The poor rollerbladers couldn't do that, and soon found that attempts to skate away were futile. So they got good at cajoling and begging, while the 'boarders got some great aerobic exercise.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:02 AM
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You don't have to be faster than the police, you just have to be faster than your co-defendant.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:57 AM
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I've never outrun the actual police, but in high school we had a school resource officer who was very overweight and would cruise around campus in a minivan, rarely emerging. A friend and I were going to visit a teacher we liked during lunch and as we were walking outside to get to his classroom this guy in the minivan kept shouting at us to stop, that we were in trouble, etc. We just kept walking and as he wouldn't leave the minivan it was pretty easy to lose him by simply walking into the building.

My mom told me that in college she outran the cops by getting off at an exit and they never followed. She was speeding.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:15 AM
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Not exactly chases but you have to figure chases were involved in some of these cases. From Yahoo:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...2132958AA3ug19

"Overview
Nationwide in 2006, 44.3 percent of violent crimes and 15.8 percent of property crimes were cleared by arrest or exceptional means.
Of the violent crimes (murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault), murder had the highest percentage of offenses cleared at 60.7 percent.
Of the property crimes (burglary, larceny-theft, and motor vehicle theft), larceny-theft had the highest percentage of offenses cleared at 17.4 percent.
Eighteen percent of arson offenses were cleared by arrest or exceptional means.
Nationwide in 2006, 40.2 percent of arson offenses cleared by arrest or exceptional means involved only juveniles (individuals under age 18), the highest percentage of all offense clearances involving only juveniles.
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http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/offenses… "
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:23 PM
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After all, what are the odds that if you are in the biggest manhunt Massachusets has ever seen, and you get into a high speed chase and explosive firefight, you just drive away and then run, that the police will simply lose track of you and even think you've left the town?
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:15 PM
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I have a good friend who is a police officer, and he says that motorcycles who try to run from speeding tickets get away regularly. The tiny plates don't hurt either.

I also remember seeing an episode of COPS (from the 90's) where an older model camaro got away.
Youtube has lots of videos of this nature, search for Ghost Rider for some epic chases.

I was caught up in an amazing escapade a few years ago. There were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident. I found myself a safe house close by and laid low for a while, because I was probably wanted for murder.
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Old 05-15-2013, 04:50 AM
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I managed to get away from a cop today on the way back to college. I was going 75 in a 60 and he drove by going the opposite direction. I immediately saw his brake lights and then sirens go off in re-view mirror. However there was traffic behind me and it took him a good 20 seconds to U-turn. By this time, I had already turned right and then taken several quick turns into a random apartment complex and parked in a very well hidden place. I don't believe there was any way he could have seen my plates due to him driving in the opposite direction and his U-turn was at least 100 yards away. After 20 minutes parked, I pulled out and there was no sign of him.

So how lucky was I?

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Old 05-15-2013, 12:36 PM
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My best friend evidently was in pursuit a few years back. He doesn't remember it though.

He was in a small town bar drinking with another friend. They had a couple of older broads who joined the party. That's the last thing he remembers.

A couple days later a sheriff's deputy pulls up to my friend's house in another small town 30 miles away. He asks my friend who was driving the Ford pickup sitting there the other night. Friend says he doesn't know but it wasn't him... He was blacked out, it must've been one of the ladies we picked up at the bar.

Cop says that he met the pickup going 110 mph. He turned around to join pursuit but it was useless. My friend didn't realize his pickup would go that fast. The cop smiled smugly and told them to have a nice day. He then told my friend's boss that he had been keeping tabs of on some of his staff.

To this day my two friends have no idea what happened that night. A cop just wouldn't make something like that up, would they? Plus 110 mph on a shitty county blacktop road with a heavy deer population in snowy icy early January weather? Lucky lucky.
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Old 05-15-2013, 03:09 PM
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Well, I this, and am interested in why you say so.

More generally, I have always the rules of engagement in these situations: the "Freeze" command. When can you shoot a running offender?

I always wished Agent Starling hadn't said "freeze" to Buffalo Bill.
I don't understand it either. My understanding (from law school) is that "Stop or I'll shoot!" is not, in general, a permissible tactic any more, if it ever was. Police have the right to use lethal force only if they have probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious injury to the officer or others. (Cite: Tennessee v. Garner. Before Garner, I believe it was fairly common to have LEOs statutorily authorized to shoot fleeing suspected felons.)

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Old 05-15-2013, 11:51 PM
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I have a 66% success rate.

While in high school, I took orders for Wendy's & McD's for lunch. Of course, leaving school for any reason was verboten, so one had to be quick and careful.

In the neighborhood, there was a 4-way stop intersection with an old Le Baron sitting in my way. Since I could see far in all directions, I decided I would not wait for Grandma Moses at the stop sign, and blew around her.

As I made a turn at the top of the hill, I may or may not have seen a flashing blue light coming from her car. It was not clear. Just in case it was, though, I twisted and turned my way through the neighborhood, abandoning the clear, short-line way to McD's.

I made it to McD's, got my order, and now had to contemplate continuing on to Wendy's, or cut my losses and head back. The decision was made for me as I left the drive-through.

Our SRO had been the old lady at the intersection that I smoked. Seven tickets at once, and I had been driving a month.

She told me she'd tear the tickets up if I had my mom call her today. Naturally, I grabbed a 16yo girlfriend, gave her the phone, and said "action!" Cop didn't buy it, and found my folks herself. We had to go to the station and get me lectured up about safety, goodness and the American Way, yada, yada, yada. Bad Times.



About 6 years later, I'm in Atlanta, and playing a little dodge and weave down Peachtree Street against a Mercedes convertible vs. my Sunbeam Alpine. Racing is such a strong word...

An angry Atlanta cop pulled me over in a gas station, pulled up next to me, and told me don't move. He's going after the M-B, and if I'm not there when he gets back, he'll find me.

12 seconds. That's how long it took for me to decide to take it on the lam and take my chances. My limited - and possibly incorrect - knowledge of Georgia law told me that he couldn't write me a ticket for anything if he lost sight of me at any time, or for more than x minutes. It's been a while.

Anyway, I hit Peachtree Dunwoody northbound as fast as I could, went all the way to Spalding, turned right, and stomped it for 10 more miles.

Never heard from the po-po.



The third I consider a victory if I had known or wanted it.
I had a new 1985 Audi Quattro. All-Wheel-Drive (new concept), turbo 5-cylinder, drives like on rails. I was showing off for my GF, now Mrs. Ducati. It's a rainy, drizzly day. I'm at a light, and when it turns green, I go. Fast. Through the curvy, hilly neighborhood at speeds well above the 35mph limit. I go a couple of miles to the next intersection and while waiting for the light, a cop flies up behind me and pulls me over.

First thing out of his mouth: Is this thing front-wheel drive? Nope. ALL-Wheel-Drive!
Damn that thing is fast. I was behind you at the light, and you just left like a rocket. I lost you at the first turn. This thing is unbelievable, especially in the rain. Shall we agree on 65?

Having been going up to 85, I took his offer. Explained to the judge that if the officer couldn't pace me, and didn't see me after one turn, he couldn't possibly have known my speed. The AWD simply got me to 35 quicker than most, and he couldn't catch me, because he said he didn't try.

Case dismissed.

Bottom line: The Audi would leave any car behind at that time, especially in the rain.
Would have been a good getaway car!


I have seen the error of my ways, and in fact, support capital punishment for anyone who runs from The Man. Now that I'm good!
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:33 AM
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circa 1966 my brother showed more intelligence/resourcefulness than I'd ever guess he had.

Minor traffic violation in a '56 ford - he ducked them by getting far enough ahead (cold weather) to pull into a real "service station", rolled down his window, and told the guy "It's making a funny noise", to which the mechanic (yes, really!) said "pull it in".
The garage door was closing as the cop went by.

You kids are out of luck unless there is an oil change or Pep Boys - type operation WITHOUT a line
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:42 PM
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I signed up for this forum just to post my story.

Well. I am one of those lucky, fortunate, spoiled(?) kids whose parents buy them a gift to an early death. A Mercedes SLK 55 AMG.

And at 18 (now 19), words can't describe the temptation to speed. One late night, I was awake and restless and decided to sneak out and go for a quick drive. I have contemplated constantly about if my car could actually outrun the police. So after doing a top speed run (managed to hit 160) on the freeway, I see a cop ahead and instantly slow down. Then my stupidity rises...I slow down to let him get far enough so I can max out again and pass him. Zoom past him at 160 mph...10 seconds later he realizes what happened and puts on his lights, but I am too far now and the curve put me out of his sight, I take the first exit. Panicking that he could come down the exit ramp any second, and a red light was ahead, I decide to make a legal (oh the irony) right turn instead of running the light. But I was panicking and went into the turn too fast, jumping the median between lanes and pushing the axle all the way into the engine, totaling the car. My first thought was to hop and run, but I wasn't that stupid...The car was still there. So I decided to wait for the police to arrive and accept my doom. But......He never came....And boy how stupid I felt. I told my mom a few days later (the car was towed to the car pound and I was afraid of breaking the news to her) that I was simply trying to dodge something in the road and ran up onto the curb.

Now...Like I said, I am fortune, lucky, spoiled(?) and my mom simply got me another one...Yes! Another one!!! This time, it had the performance package, so the top speed was 174 mph. But no...I haven't been stupid enough to max it out.

Well, one day, instead of driving my old Toyota like I was supposed to, I sneaked out in the Mercedes. My curfew was at 1 am, and it was about 12:58 am and I was so close to home. But not even a mile from my house, there were about 5 cars poking down the road in a 2 lane, 2 way traffic street. Since the oncoming traffic lane was clear, I get into that lane and mash it, passing them up...Not realizing that there was a police 2 cars behind me. He does the same thing, as soon as I see the lights go off, I mash it, make a right at the stop sign.

Being in a high performance car, I can make the turn fast and fluently. I also learned from my past mistake to take my time in the turns. I floor it down this straight road, getting up to 130 in a matter of seconds while I see the cop behind struggling with massive understeer from the stop sign. Light ahead turns red, I remember my past mistake, trying to make a turn, so I decide that I would run it. Wait for traffic to clear, mash it past the red light. Traffic stops for cops, he doesn't slow down. So I keep my foot hard on the accelerator, getting up to 140-150, he can never catch up. I was sure he couldn't catch up and I just had to play it smart. Up ahead there is this massive hump that could really destroy the front bumper of my car as it is so low (when I checked later, my car was in good condition, the bottom of the bumper under the radiator did feel a bit loose, however, no cracks). I went over this at about 130 mph and was mid-air for a good 1 - 1 1/2 second. Let off the gas to gain control, then mashed it again. Luckily, the road started to curb a bit and he was out of sight, so I assumed I was out of sight as well. Make a left turn, mash it. See a police officer ahead, I slow down. He was looking at his phone or his computer or something. I slowly make a right turn, right past him. He doesn't even notice me. Then I make the first right turn I come to...In the hood. A couple of guys were hanging out in front of their house, hollering at me. I quickly let my top up, just in case they were still looking for a convertible sports car. Go back on the straight road I had just came off of and head home.

The cop made me 5 minutes late home...Now I can't drive my Toyota nor Mercedes. :/

Oh well. Never again am I disobeying my parents.

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Old 05-18-2013, 02:02 PM
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Happened just the other day, right down the street from me. (Story.) Boggles my mind. I still can’t figure out how he did it.
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Old 05-18-2013, 06:14 PM
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I signed up for this forum just to post my story.
SNIP
The cop made me 5 minutes late home...Now I can't drive my Toyota nor Mercedes. :/

Oh well. Never again am I disobeying my parents.
Well, you've just sealed the fate of my not-yet-existent children:
I'm buying them bicycles, not BMWs...
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Old 05-18-2013, 07:34 PM
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Well, you've just sealed the fate of my not-yet-existent children:
I'm buying them bicycles, not BMWs...
Aha! Just don't get them an M-powered BMW.

Jumping from a 97 Toyota Celica to an AMG powered Mercedes definitely wasn't the best idea. I was definitely appreciative. I got good grades, was respectful, and in general, obedient towards my parents. However, the urge to drive that car is just too great. I often snuck out to drive it.

I feel if she was a bit more lenient with me driving it and not having outrageous curfews while in the car (Have to be back before 9 pm in the Mercedes, after that, switch to the Toyota) I wouldn't be so tempted to drive it when I'm not supposed to.

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