Worst Military Leader elimination game (setup thread)

By popular demand…

Who was the worst military leader of all time?

You may nominate up to five terrible, no-good, awful leaders, be they generals, admirals or military officers of any rank, as well as monarchs, warlords or chieftains actually commanding on the battlefield, describing each in no more than five words. All descriptions are subject to editing for brevity, accuracy and clarity.

Define “worst” as you see fit. Military leaders on the land, at sea or in the air are eligible for nomination. Even just a single noteworthy flop is sufficient for nomination, if you wish.

To avoid contemporary political disputes, your nominees must have been either retired or dead before 2000.

Nominations will close at noon EST a week from today, Mon. Nov. 15. After the deadline, I’ll arrange the nominees alphabetically, and we’ll vote them out much as we did in the U.S. President, greatest American, greatest national leader, and greatest military leader elimination games.

My nominees:

Horatio Gates: Fled headlong from Camden, S.C.
James Ledlie: Drunk during Battle of Crater
Braxton Bragg: Bungling, irritating Confederate general
Heinrich Himmler: Nazi botched every field command
Christian de Castries: Lost at Dien Bien Phu

James Brudenell, 7th Earl of Cardigan: led the Charge of the Light Brigade.

I may have others later.

Adolf Hitler, atrocious supreme commander
Arthur Percival, surrendered Singapore to Japan
Publius Quinctilius Varus, army totally annihilated in Germany

Hitler didn’t exercise battlefield command during WW2. Try again.

Lieutenant-Colonel Thom Karremans: Toasted Mladić, allowed Srebenica massacre.

(Note: I believe, but am not certain, that he retired prior to 2000. I’m not nominating Mladić simply because I don’t consider him a military leader so much as a particularly well-equipped and psychotic gangster. The profession of arms is an honorable one; Mladić has nothing to do with it.)

2nd Lt. William Calley: Ordered, led My Lai Massacre.

Captain Anderson Wirz: Commandant, Andersonville Prison. War criminal.

I might have another couple nominations later - is there a deadline for the setup thread?

ETA:

Forgot about the requirement for a battlefield command. Since Wirz doesn’t qualify, and you specified that warlords are eligible, I’ll swap Wirz for:

**Ratko Mladić **: Ordered Srebenica massacre, convicted scum.

General William Tecumseh Sherman May-He-Rot-in-Hell: Arsonist, War Criminal.

George Armstrong Custer: Idiot.

Ulysses S. Grant: Butcher

Benjamin Franklin Butler: Beast.

William Westmoreland: Brutal, unimaginative technocrat

Paul D. Harkins: Ignorant and overoptimistic, allowed Vietnam to escalate

Maximilian von Prittwitz: Peed his pants in Prussia (alliteration quadruple bonus!)

Xerxes I of Persia: Epic blunders in Greece

Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna: Napoleon of the West? Ha!

Ambrose E. Burnside: defeat from jaws of victory

Forgot about the five-word thing; “Charge of the Light Brigade” will have to do. (Though that’s just the rancid cherry on top of the toxic sewage sundae that was his military career).

Marcus Licinius Crassus Dives (Crassus): Army pincushioned by Parthians

Manuel Fernandez Silvestre - “Run! The Bogeyman is coming!”

Charles le Temeraire - Rash, rather than “Bold”

Charles Alexander of Lorraine - A sustained career of incompetence

Frederik William Stopford - Blunderer at Suvla Bay ( Gallipoli )

I’m still cogitating on the fifth. Seems like I should have some classical figure, maybe Crassus. But Elphinstone is tempting.

ETA: Okay, apparently Malthus has Crassus ;).

Emperor Romanus IV of Byzantium: Lost the Battle of Manzikert

And because no one else has taken him yet:

George B McClellan - Led Union unsuccessfully

But seriously, Tom, how do you feel about the man? Don’t hold back, it isn’t healthy. :wink:

Well, someone should include good old Elphey Bey. :smiley:

Eh, okay - I was trying to come up with another really solid medieval candidate ( Edward II was kinda woeful ), but he probably does deserve a mention somewhere.

William George Keith Elphinstone - Lost an army in Afghanistan

:frowning: oh I wanted too nominate Mr “don’t shoot the piano player” Karremans

But seeing he’s taken, how about some mad leaders?

Douglas Haig: Lions led by donkeys
Geoffrey Spicer-Simson :went mad in dark Afrika
Francisco Solano López: almost unmade Paraguay
Curtis LeMay: tried to preemptively use nukes

Fun times. Here are my suggestions:
Oreste Baratieri - Routed by Ethiopians at Adowa.
Lord Chelmsford - Zulu dawn at Isandlwana
Vice-Admiral Sir George Tryon - Sunk his flagship on maneouvres.
Francisco Solano Lopez - Led Paraguay against allcomers.

Can’t think of a fifth just yet.

I assume you’re from Georgia? :rolleyes:

As they say,“War is hell.” He was in enemy territory, while scorched earth isn’t the ideal strategy, hard to blame him for doing his job.

Save it for the game thread itself, man. :slight_smile:

General Maurice Gamelin - Relied on the Maginot Line.

General William H. Winder - Loses Upper Canada; Washington, D.C. burns.