Nook Vs. Kindle

My husband has expressed a desire to buy me an e-reader for my birthday. While I think that’s wonderful, neither he nor I know a darn thing about them. I tried Googling around some last night and the best that I could come up with was that the Barnes and Noble Nook has more books available (they say a million), but the Amazon Kindle 3 is more user friendly.

I’m concerned that B & N may go belly-up and leave me high and dry if we buy that one, but I’d really like that large a catalog to choose from. So, what say you Dopers that have one or are thinking of getting one? Have you compared and decided why which one is right for you? However you can help me, both the mister and I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!

I just went though the whole exercise, too.

I bought the Kindle 3 (Wi-fi only version).

B&N says the have more books but I think that’s counting public domain stuff. If you look at copyright books, I think B&N has something around 200,000 and Amazon is closer to 700,000. They’re the 800 lb gorilla in the book sales world right now.

With the Kindle, Amazon tracks your books, you can uninstall & reinstall them at will. The battery life is like a month of uses before charging, & the interface is beautiful. It’s smaller & lighter, too.

The android function of the nook didn’t interested me much - I already have a smart phone. The nook’s is all locked down anyway.

I guess its for these reasons that I went with the kindle. Loving it so far. The only missing feature is a provision to be able to use your own pictures as the “screensaver” when you turn it off. Probably coming soon, I suspect. I guess Amazon has had a number of requests for the feature.

Look at them both side by side (Best Buy has them both). The Kindle is much lighter. That may or may not be a deal for you. I don’t use a nook, but the kindle has a really useable form factor for me. As form factor is a matter of personal preference, I’d start there.

A couple of points that haven’t been brought up, yet:

The Nook is using, even for the B&N content, the EPUB format. Which is now the agreed upon industry standard for ebook formatting. This means that the book files are portable to other readers without any need for a translation program. It also means that even if B&N goes tits up, there are many other venues where you can get ebooks in that format. The Kindle is (As of the last time I looked, the Kindle 3 may be different) still using Amazon’s proprietary format, which is designed to not be usable with any other reader. The Kindle can read the EPUB format, it’s just that Amazon’s books are not that format.

Moving from IMHO to Cafe Society, where the book-readers be.

Here are a few links to previous threads on this subject that may help.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=571508&highlight=kindle

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=576702&highlight=kindle

I’ve had my Kindle DX for going on 2 years now, and love it. I won’t go over much of what I said in the threads above, but I do want to, once again, laud the Kindle’s battery life which, among its other great features, is amazing.

Another Kindle user chiming in. I’ve also found that books tend to be cheaper on Amazon than other venues too.

How I Killed Pluto and Why It Had It Coming by Mike Brown was $9.99 at Amazon versus $13.75 at BN.com (or $14.49 at Borders).

And if you go for the Kindle, get thelighted coverthat is powered by the Kindle itself. (I actually opted for the cheaper used version from Amazon which is $14 less and works just as good).

That’s only the Nook Color that runs on top on an Android OS. The regular nook is a B&W e-ink screen like the Kindle.

And the Nook Color is locked down, but it’s a ten minute process (most of which is waiting for the install process) to root it and then it becomes a fully-functional, 7" Android tablet for less than $250.

See, I wondered how their figure could be so much higher. That explains that. And I don’t know what it means to be “locked down.” Sorry.

The easily useable interface sounded good to me too. How light it is, though, doesn’t. I guess I’ll be making a trip to Best Buy. :slight_smile:

Does anyone know if the Kindle 3 is now in EPUB format? If not, is that a bad thing or just a different thing?

Sorry for putting it in the wrong spot and thanks for the move. < sheepish >

A long battery life is something else I’m after, so this is good to know. And thanks for the links. I’ll be going through them too.

Cheaper books are important, but I’m not sure how much a lighted cover is. Is it something that’s necessary?

I’m sorry, but most of your post has flown right over my head. Could you explain a bit more for those of us who have no clue at all? Thank you.

Once more, thanks to everyone for posting their advice. I’ll be weighing it along with what I read in the links and then hopefully, I’ll be able to ‘test drive’ one (I have a friend who has a Nook) to contrast and compare.

I just got my wife an e-reader about a week ago after some extensive shopping.
Ended up with the Nook color.
She thought she’d be fine with a black and white e-ink type but the more she thought about the inconvenience of having something without it’s own backlight the more unappelaing it became. I know you can get little lights for the others but they seem like an extra “thing” to get in your way. She can now read: in bed without having to turn on a lamp or overhead light, beside me on the couch while I’m watching a movie in a darkened room, as a passenger in our car at night, on a bus/airplane/train when she travels, etc. She can now see what a pain it would be to always have to find an external light source.
Another thing she hated about the black and white units was that they did this annoying “negative” screen flash everytime you turned the page. The nook, kindle, and sony all did it. When you turned the page you’d get flashed with a white text on black background image before the black text on white background appeared. The color units just smoothly change to the next page.
She is somewhat disappointed that the heavy majority of the county library books are consistantly checked out and there is no monitoring where you are on the waiting list.

There are two main considerations when figuring out how future-proof your new eReader is going to be: File Formats and DRM.

A file format is a way of describing how the text and formatting of an eBook has been stored in the file so that it can be decoded by the reader and displayed on the screen. There are many file formats for an eReader maker to choose from (plain text files, HTML files, PDF files, AZW files, Mobi files, and EPUB files are some major ones. Wikipedia has a more-or-less exhaustive list).

For the most part (especially when comparing Nooks and Kindles), file format doesn’t really matter. EPUBs can be easily converted to Mobis and Mobis can easily be converted to EPUBs with no-to-very-little loss of formatting using a program like Calibre. Both readers support reading PDFs though it’s not a great experience (the Kindle DX is much better for PDFs because of its larger format display; but for my money, nothing beats an iPad for PDFs). Calibre can also convert PDFs to EPUBs or Mobis, but there are often significant formatting issues so I can’t recommend it.

Many, many, many people talk about the file formats for Kindles and Nooks being incompatible; but I really don’t understand it. You can convert one to the other in a few seconds and then you’re on your way. EPUB or Mobi is just not a big deal.

There is a big deal, though, and that’s DRM. DRM, or Digital Rights Management, is a method that all the major eReaders use to attempt to prevent you from spreading an eBook around the Internet. Essentially, the file is encrypted (or locked) with some secret. Sometimes, the secret is a device ID. Sometimes, it’s the credit card number you used to buy the book. Sometimes it’s a number that the services ties to your account and keeps on the Internet. But this is where the real incompatibilities come in: until you decrypt the file, you can’t read it. Its file format doesn’t matter.

Amazon has created their own DRM scheme for Kindles that they haven’t licensed to anyone else. If you buy a book from Amazon, you can read it on a Kindle and nowhere else (because no one else will know how to decrypt it). In practice, this isn’t a big deal: Amazon has Kindle software for Windows PCs, Macs, Android phones and tablets, Apple phones and tablets, and anything else where they think it’s viable. Within their own private ecosystem, Amazon is making a real attempt to let you read your book everywhere you want to.

Adobe (the makers of such beloved software as Adobe Acrobat and Flash) has also created a DRM system. They’ve licensed it to a lot of people. The Sony eReaders use it. I think the Kobo uses it. There are various readers on various smartphones and such that can decrypt these files. The Nook can also decrypt files using Adobe’s system.

This is nice because more and more libraries are lending eBooks and they’re using Adobe’s DRM to do it. So the Nook can read books from these libraries and Kindles can’t.

For an example of the confusion all of this can cause, think of Apple’s iBooks app. iBooks uses EPUB files, but it uses Apple’s FairPlay DRM. So even if you get an EPUB from your library (assuming it was encrypted with Adobe’s DRM), you won’t be able to read it with iBooks. Even though they’re both EPUBs. If it weren’t DRM’d, you would be able to read it with iBooks or a Nook or a Kindle (after a brief conversion) or printing it out for that luddite feeling.

So, it’s DRM that limits your options and not file format.

There’s a little hope, though. DRM is inherently broken. If someone sells you a book, you expect to be able to read it. So you have to have SOME way to decrypt it. The DRM systems use the sneakiest methods they can think of to hide this way from you, but enterprising people have figured out how to expose it for the major formats (except, perhaps, for Apple’s FairPlay). Breaking DRM is illegal in the United States, however, so don’t ask me how to do it.

Also, I take a bit of hope from the music industry. Music downloads (on iTunes, for instance) used to be DRM’d as well. But, eventually, they realized that it wasn’t cutting down on piracy and was making it harder for consumers to play the music they bought (so they’d just go pirate it instead). Today, all the music you can buy on iTunes or from Amazon’s MP3 store are unencrypted. I expect the publishing industry to learn this same lesson in the next decade.

What does this mean for you vis-a-vis Kindles vs. Nooks?

If you buy something from Amazon’s Kindle store, you can only read it on a Kindle or with one of Amazon’s Kindle apps.

If you buy something from B&N’s Nook store, you can only read it (as far as I know) on a Nook or with one of B&N’s Nook apps (I know there’s an iOS one. I don’t know if they have more.).

If you want to buy a book from a third-party store, you’ll probably be able to read it on a Nook (it will probably use Adobe’s system) and you probably won’t be able to read it on a Kindle (unless they sell it unencrypted).

If you want to borrow books from your local library, you won’t be able to read them on a Kindle and you will be able to read them on a Nook (or a Sony reader or anything else that uses Adobe’s scheme).

If you have an unencrypted book in one file format, you can convert it to whatever format you want and read it just about anywhere. Project Gutenberg is a great source for public domain books in all of the major formats.

And that’s the skinny on file formats and DRM.

So, basically, I can probably read Project Gutenberg books on a Kindle, but I probably cannot read library books on a Kindle.

I can probably read both on a Nook or the Sony eReader?

Correct?

Sony Reader owner here. I’ve got a number of Project Gutenberg files on mine - no problem, aside from the occaisionally wonky formatting - but that’s endemic to how Project Gutenberg works.

Yeah, I think that’s basically correct.

Also, both Kindles and Nooks now let you lend certain books to friends (who also have the same device that you have). The restrictions around this are silly enough to not be worth bothering, though.

I was going to address this, but it’s been pretty well covered by willia4’s excellent and informative post.

I think you can delete both "probably"s.

I think so, with the caveat that you can only read library books if the library has an electronic copy available to lend out, that isn’t currently being borrowed by someone else.
To the OP: It might be worth your while to do some browsing on Amazon’s and B&N’s websites, and check the availability and pricing on some of the books you’d be interested in buying. (If you’re more interested in free, public-domain books, availability shouldn’t be an issue.)

Note that the 3G Kindle essentially gives you unlimited free net access anywhere in the entire United States. Sure it’s a really painful to use at first, but with a little practice you can use it to read/send mail, read message boards, for Google and Google maps, Wiki…for free. That’s pretty damn sweet.

Silly is not the word; more like stupid. You can lend a book one time and one time only. What’s the point?

Nothing much to add except that the number of books available is nowhere near as important as particular selection of books available. Look up the last 10 books you read on both Amazon and B&N and see how many are available for their e-readers. For books that are part of a series, see how many are available that you haven’t read yet. You should then get an idea for whether you’ll have problems finding the kind of books you read. If the results are much the same for both companies then it just comes down to which hardware you prefer.

If you don’t have an issue modifying your Kindle, you can get your own screensavers:

http://www.kindleboards.com/index.php/topic,33973.0.html

This thread on another board explains how and gives links to where you can get the “hacks”. I ran them both on my K3 WiFi only and love having my own screensavers.
As for cases - if you like leather www.oberondesign.com makes some truly lovely things.

My hubby bought me a Nook Color for Christmas. For him, the Kindle was out of the running because he has a grudge against Amazon, and hates them. :wink:

I love my Nook! The automatic backlighting (which is very adjustable; it’s easy to brighten or dim it) is wonderful. As was mentioned upthread, I can read in bed while he’s asleep without disturbing him. I can take it just about anywhere, never have to worry about an external light source.

Having 'net access on it is really cool, too. I don’t have a smart phone (hell, right now I don’t even have a cell phone at all!), so this gives me 'droid capabilities. It also gives me the ability to ‘look up’ any word I might encounter that I’m not familiar with. All I have to do is ‘highlight’ the word (with my fingertip) and it will google or wiki the word for me! Neat-o.

It sounds like the battery life is definitely shorter than the Kindle, but I haven’t had any problems so far. It’ll last a couple of days through the amount of reading I typically do; maybe 2-3 days. Then it takes about 3 hours to charge completely (this is from a battery that’s down to maybe 25%; I’ve never let it run all the way down).

It must be true that it’s significantly heavier than the Kindle, because you guys keep saying it and I don’t imagine you’re lying. :slight_smile: But the weight doesn’t bother me (still weighs less than your typical hardback book). It slips easily into my purse without getting in my way because it’s very thin.

Although I haven’t tried it in this capacity yet, I can also put music/video files on it.

Obviously, people have to decide what features are important to them. But I’m thrilled with my Nook. I find it very cool to be able to carry 628 books around in my purse! (That’s how many my hubby pre-loaded it with).

Oh, one more thing, I don’t know what kind of arrangement the Kindle makes for organizing your books. The Nook has ‘bookshelves’. You can give different bookshelves different names, then put whatever books you have on those shelves. My 11YO even has her own Nook bookshelf with all the Harry Potter books, Coraline, Percy Jackson, A Series of Unfortunate Events and more! I love that because if we’re out, say, grocery shopping, and she gets bored, she can go sit on a bench or something with my Nook, and read while I finish up. So it’s encouraging her to read more! :slight_smile: