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Old 01-25-2011, 10:43 AM
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Did "Dazed and Confused" style hazing exist?

Just watching Dazed and Confused. Did that style of "hazing" actually exist in the US?
With high school students abusing younger kids like that?
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:03 AM
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Nearly all campuses have banned that sort of hazing for fraternities and all national fraternities have rules that prohibit it. There is hazing, but it's never anything dangerous or humiliating (e.g., counting the spikes on the fence around the campus, painting the frat house, memorizing the chapters of the fraternity).

There are some off-campus, unaffiliated "fraternities" that do the old-fashioned hazing. A few years ago, one in Plattsburgh, NY, ended up killing one of their pledges. This is rare, though.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:03 AM
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I went to H.S. in Texas (Dallas, not D&C's Austin) during that exact period and while everything else about the movie seems spot on, we didn't have any of the hazing rituals that seem so pervasive in the movie. Yes, freshmen got razzed a little but it was more good natured teasing than any formal, sanctioned abusive treatment.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:21 AM
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Nearly all campuses have banned that sort of hazing for fraternities and all national fraternities have rules that prohibit it.
The hazing in the movie was not of the college fraternity sort--it was for incoming high school freshmen.

At any rate, during my time (1989), the only hazing-type things I remember is upperclassmen throwing pennies at freshmen but I don't even remember that being particularly prevalent. Oh, and there were always rumors of upperclassmen trying to sell you "elevator passes" or something like that, but I doubt that was actually done, since everyone knew about that rumor before their first day of high school. Also, referring to freshmen as "bennies."

Hmm, apparently the penny thing still exists around here.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:22 AM
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Nearly all campuses have banned that sort of hazing for fraternities and all national fraternities have rules that prohibit it. There is hazing, but it's never anything dangerous or humiliating (e.g., counting the spikes on the fence around the campus, painting the frat house, memorizing the chapters of the fraternity).

There are some off-campus, unaffiliated "fraternities" that do the old-fashioned hazing. A few years ago, one in Plattsburgh, NY, ended up killing one of their pledges. This is rare, though.
Dazed & Confused takes place in a high school. There are no fraternities in it.

I went to (regular, public) high school in the mid-90s, much later than the movie timeline. I was in the band, and there was a tradition of tossing all of the band freshmen in the (empty) dumpster on Homecoming night, but it died out while I was still in school. No one did it by the time I was a senior. That was confined to a small group, though. I'm not aware of any hazing that went on outside of that.

In general, not a lot about high school movies resemble my own high school experience.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:33 AM
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My wife went through some of the hazing at a girls' school in the South ('80s). The older girls did not squirt them with condiments or smear them with food, but they yelled at them and made them drop to the floor and "fry like bacon."
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:36 AM
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I don't have an answer to the question, but a young Renee Zellweger pops up several times in that movie, including one close-up as one of the hazers squirting mustard.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:36 AM
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I absolutely love the fact that you had to ask this question. It is proof that societal progress is possible.

Yes, and in my school it got pretty violent. ("pink bellies" were the least of it.) It also included getting the young to do mean things to each other - especially boys being horrid to girls. (seducing with a friend/camera in the closet kinds of stuff. People were nearly destroyed by it in some cases. Rumour had it that one father went to jail for what he did to the kdis who took used/took pictures of his daughter. (Should have got a medal IMO.)
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:39 AM
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I was in high school during that time also. The only thing in the movie I found really accurate was the clothes and hair. Anything resembling "hazing" would have been unorganized and would have been freshmen picking on 7th graders. (Most high schools were 10-12, except in really small communities that had K-8 and 9-12 schools.) The music was inaccurate by omission. The music in the movie got played, but not as much as stuff like Olivia Newton-John, ELO, Bee Gees. In the summer of 76 I particularly remember The Hustle, A 5th of Beethoven, Strange Magic, and Have You Never Been Mellow getting played to death.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:40 AM
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I've been meaning to make this topic. I love Dazed and Confused, but the whole hazing thing seems so ridiculous to me that I have a hard time enjoying it sometimes.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:47 AM
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The hazing in the movie was not of the college fraternity sort--it was for incoming high school freshmen.
And it was set in the late '70s.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:48 AM
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A good question. This was such a dominant theme it made me wonder why people think the fmovie is so good. I assumed this was some sort of Texas thing that I missed in my East coast high school.
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Old 01-25-2011, 12:21 PM
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I started high school in Texas in 1979. There was some hazing of freshman, usually by sophomores. The only thing I actually saw was a classmate who was restrained by a couple of upperclassman while another smeared lipstick on his face.

The way I remember it there was more "talk" in an urban legend type of way than any actual pervasive hazing. I do remember also that on choir or band trips the seniors would pick a freshman as their "slave" who had to carry their luggage or go get them a soda, etc.

So, yeah, at least in my school there was some hazing, just not as violent.
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Old 01-25-2011, 12:31 PM
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Just watching Dazed and Confused. Did that style of "hazing" actually exist in the US?
With high school students abusing younger kids like that?
My HS had an "initiation" back in the 80's for the sophomores (it was a 3-year junior high and 3-year HS), but it was pretty harmless. It involved being made to kiss the picture of the school mascot in the common area during lunch when everyone was sure to see you doing it.
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Old 01-25-2011, 12:48 PM
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Gads yes. I tell people that D&C isn't a documentary, but it's exactly how I remember that time, even though it takes place in Texas, and I grew up in Va. There were a few minor differences here and there, but I was the brunette kid who gets hit (and buys the beer). My best friend at the time was almost a doppelganger for the blonde kid--even my friend was blonde.

I could take you in my hometown in Va where the arcade was, and the characters in the movie fit the people I knew to a T.

Now, to the hazing: yes, it happened, but IME, it was a little later...the upperclassmen in high school hazed the incoming sophomores (in those days, the grades were 1-6 elementary school, 7-9 junior high, 10-12 high school). I personally wasn't hazed for whatever reason, but I remember a lot of people who were. At my high school, the ritual was for the guys to get smeared with lipstick. I don't know, or at least don't remember, what happened to the girls.

Dazed and Confused might've gotten a few details wrong, like I've read they used a 1977 (or 1978) car when it takes place in 1976, or something like that, but so what? From what I lived, that movie had everything just about right, from the styles to the field parties, to the cruising.
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Old 01-25-2011, 12:57 PM
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I never faced any hazing like that when I was in high school (early-mid 80's). There have been news stories about it though. This 2003 incident from Glenbrook, IL came to mind.
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Old 01-25-2011, 02:20 PM
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Flashback, whoa!

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The hazing in the movie was not of the college fraternity sort--it was for incoming high school freshmen.

At any rate, during my time (1989), the only hazing-type things I remember is upperclassmen throwing pennies at freshmen but I don't even remember that being particularly prevalent. Oh, and there were always rumors of upperclassmen trying to sell you "elevator passes" or something like that, but I doubt that was actually done, since everyone knew about that rumor before their first day of high school. Also, referring to freshmen as "bennies."

Hmm, apparently the penny thing still exists around here.
Dang but your posting is a flashback for me! Class of '89 St. Patrick High (Northwest Side all-boys Catholic for non-Chicagoans), elevator passes (although the old alma mater at least HAS an elevator now), and most of all "pennies for the bennies". Some guys lightly tossed them like coins into a fountain, while others whipped them like a fastball.
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Old 01-25-2011, 02:37 PM
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Dang but your posting is a flashback for me! Class of '89 St. Patrick High (Northwest Side all-boys Catholic for non-Chicagoans), elevator passes (although the old alma mater at least HAS an elevator now), and most of all "pennies for the bennies". Some guys lightly tossed them like coins into a fountain, while others whipped them like a fastball.
Brother Rice, Southwest Side all-boys Catholic high school, Class of '93 here. Not surprising about the similar traditions. Did you call detentions "jugs," too? (Supposedly, it was short for "Justice Under God" or something like that, but that might be some sort of backronym.)
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Old 01-25-2011, 02:39 PM
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Not hazing, but when I was in public school one year I had problems with one clique of girls. See, having a few braincells to rub together, and a dislike of football I did not actually get along with them. They figured the bestest thing in the world was to be a cheerleader and screw the football team. Anybody who didnt think like that was weird and target for abuse.

I found out from the little sister of one of them [she liked me as I used to tutor her in french and got her to actually pass in class] that this charming group, 3 of whom I was assigned to room with in the class trip to Washington DC, was planning on stashing a baggie of pot in my suitcase and narking on me.

I decided to not bother letting anybody know, and I 'got sick' and passed on going on the trip. Somehow a call got placed to the hotel.
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Old 01-25-2011, 02:52 PM
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Old 01-25-2011, 02:59 PM
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In a Georgia high school in that time frame, there was no generalized hazing of freshmen; however, several school organizations had days set aside to haze freshmen members. (No paddling, though; just petty humiliations.)

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Old 01-25-2011, 03:01 PM
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In general, not a lot about high school movies resemble my own high school experience.

Fast Times at Ridgemont High
was a pretty accurate depiction of my 80s high school experience, but I can't say much about Dazed and Confused. That movie was set about ten years before my high school days.
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Old 01-25-2011, 03:24 PM
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Yes, it did happen. I knew some of the people who had to go through hazing (it was called "freshman initiation") in the mid- to late-'70s. It had pretty much died out by the time I got to high school 10 years later.

Some of the hazing was extremely dangerous, like finding a muddy ground and chasing freshmen around in circles through the mud. The chasees would be on foot. The chasers would be driving cars (preferably jeeps).

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Old 01-25-2011, 04:03 PM
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Yep. My example is from a Junior High School ( 7th and 8th graders ) in suburban Michigan. The incoming class of 7th grade males were liable for one "get" by any 8th grade male ( or group of them ). Usually this took the form of a hard punch or three, sometimes something a little more exotic like a "swirlie" ( head held in a toilet, which is then flushed ).

Strangely the one-time-only nature of this hazing was usually observed fairly stringently. I vividly remember one eager young fellow going down a line of 7th graders in the hall, querying them as to whether they had been "gotten" yet - he was quite frustrated when everybody said they had and complained bitterly that he had missed out on "getting" anybody. I remember that so well, because I was one of those guys and I lied my ass off . I was never gotten. I relied on a combination of sharp-eyed caution, lieing and on one occasion getting my would be tormentors to laugh, which caused them to good-naturedly leave me alone and go chasing after another target.

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Old 01-25-2011, 04:14 PM
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Brother Rice, Southwest Side all-boys Catholic high school, Class of '93 here. Not surprising about the similar traditions. Did you call detentions "jugs," too? (Supposedly, it was short for "Justice Under God" or something like that, but that might be some sort of backronym.)
Not that I recall, but then I never got detention. Fines ($5 was a lot of money for a high-schooler back then), and a warning for a fight -- sounds tame, but two warnings meant suspension -- but not detention.
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Old 01-25-2011, 04:15 PM
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Not that I recall, but then I never got detention. Fines ($5 was a lot of money for a high-schooler back then), and a warning for a fight -- sounds tame, but two warnings meant suspension -- but not detention.
Monetary fines? That's a new one for me. We had regular detentions and Saturday detentions (which were like three hours or something). I've technically gotten two jugs and a Saturday, but never ended up having to serve any of them.

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Old 01-25-2011, 04:55 PM
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The small town where I grew up in Southeast Missouri still had it going on as of 1999 or so at least (I'm not sure if it's still happening). It was called initiation, and the girls would have a group thing (very similar to Dazed and Confused) and the guys would be gotten individually when they caught them, but not paddling as far as I heard it. My family moved just before I became a freshman so I didn't actually go through it, but I heard they would have the guys do stuff like swim in a pond naked or other such.
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Old 01-25-2011, 05:43 PM
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Gads yes. I tell people that D&C isn't a documentary, but it's exactly how I remember that time, even though it takes place in Texas, and I grew up in Va. There were a few minor differences here and there, but I was the brunette kid who gets hit (and buys the beer). My best friend at the time was almost a doppelganger for the blonde kid--even my friend was blonde.

I could take you in my hometown in Va where the arcade was, and the characters in the movie fit the people I knew to a T.

Now, to the hazing: yes, it happened, but IME, it was a little later...the upperclassmen in high school hazed the incoming sophomores (in those days, the grades were 1-6 elementary school, 7-9 junior high, 10-12 high school). I personally wasn't hazed for whatever reason, but I remember a lot of people who were. At my high school, the ritual was for the guys to get smeared with lipstick. I don't know, or at least don't remember, what happened to the girls.

Dazed and Confused might've gotten a few details wrong, like I've read they used a 1977 (or 1978) car when it takes place in 1976, or something like that, but so what? From what I lived, that movie had everything just about right, from the styles to the field parties, to the cruising.

+1 through and through, except it was the Bay Area for me. I thought they had attached a camera to my glasses or something. I was also the over-talky guy who desperately wanted to be cool but failed (in the movie, he was played by the guy who was in Saving Private Ryan as the Jewish soldier who wrestles over the knife with the Nazi )
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Old 01-26-2011, 02:05 AM
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I love Dazed and Confused. I watch it every chance it comes on TV. The music ROCKS, regardless if it is accurate for the time period or not.

I grew up in Texas and entered HS in 1982. Our school was grades 10-12. Our area was filled with military brats, so we were all used to moving around every few years. Being accepted as part of a group was nice, but not without its price. I never questioned it, but it did lead to some good friendships, like brothers in arms.

There was some hazing, but not to such a degree as in the movie. It was usually broken down by whichever group you were going to "fit in with", whether that choice was yours or the group's choice. (Stoners, jocks, geeks, whatever.) It was neat - usually, the group that "broke you in" became your new circle of friends for the next three years. If you survived, that is.

The football players would obviously screw with the JV and new kids, and it was usually limited to locker room antics (like shoving naked teammates out of the showers or into the girls' locker room). I wasn't a football player so I heard about this from my friend who was. There was some stuff on the field, but it usually didn't get too bad and the coaches usually turned their attention elsewhere (I hear).

If you weren't part of a group, your torture was usually led by either an older sibling or somebody you knew (a friend's brother, neighbor or whatever) who was older. This sort of made sure that it didn't get too dangerous or harmful, but it still sucked. Some kids got thrown into and locked (temporarily) in dumpsters. One of my buddies got locked in a storage closet for a whole class hour (so he said; I didn't believe it, as he was a whiny bitch and probably screamed his head off the entire time). Some were forced to eat "leftover lunches" (usually some pile of older kids' lunches all mixed into one gross burger or something, but no spit or evilness included, just gross food). One of my friends (who was black*) fought back when they tried to "feed" him, and it started to get ugly, but the teachers broke it up before it got too far beyond the just shoving stage. Good for him, as he set up his school cred as the "don't fuck with me" guy. The upper classmen automatically promoted him to "cool" status and it was like he was a made man until graduation. I'm glad he was on my side.

We had an "open campus" policy. Mostly seniors had permission to go off campus for lunch breaks, as they usually had cars. Sometimes they would take the newbies with them, pretending they were being cool and then leave the kids stranded at McD's or wherever. "Wherever" was usually about five miles away from campus (on Pat Booker Road, for those in the know) where all the fast food places were, so even if you walked back you would miss a few classes.

I hear the band kids were different - they usually took the new kids under their wings and stood together, warning them about the hazards of upperclassmen (geek solidarity, I guess). I had a girlfriend who was in band during my junior year so she told me that they "took care of their own".

The cheerleaders had some hazing rituals, but not quite as gross as the condiment baths (although I did see "slaves" being made to carry people's books to class, leashes, diapers and infant costumes). This was usually overlooked by faculty, as long as it wasn't disruptive to class or overly humiliating. This behavior was also allowed during the Friday pep rallies. (Football is quite a big deal in TX, and the pep squads participated in earnest.) Sometimes even the 10th grade footballers would be "humiliated" by being made to dress in costume and what not. But nothing really mean.

The following is not an admission of guilt: I had already established my role as a ... (ahem) "stoner", so I knew a bunch of them already from parties with my two older sisters**. My punishment was being "invited" to parties on Fridays and being "forced" to consume many beers and "other recreational materials" to the point of violently tossing my cookies and passing out. I was lucky; they never stranded me anywhere and usually drove me home. Or at least dumped me off on my neighbors' lawn.

All in all, I was lucky. I missed most of the whole "dumpster dumping" process because on my first day of high school, I had an accident and was on crutches for a month. And my school did have elevators (many buildings on campus had more than 2 stories), so I did get an elevator pass. So nyaah to you suckers who had to pay for yours.

We still had shop class back then. Lots of upper classmen made paddles. And used them. Even the Vice Principle had a paddle. I heard that he used it on students, but I think that was a rumor that the faculty never squashed for disciplinary reasons. I never got paddled myself. Well, not at school, anyway. I had an evil stepdad who took care of that.

Man, good times. To be young again.



*=Yeah, Greg was black. I don't mention that to mean anything specific to this HS example, but he told me of other instances where his skin color had led to problems earlier in life, so he learned not to take shit from people early in life. This was TX, after all. Not everybody was enlightened even in the '80's.

**=My oldest sister was the cooler one. She tried to tell me what to look out for, but left me on my own to defend myself. My other older sister was the mean one - she usually let her male buddies terrorize me and what not, but once I started "sharing" my "recreational goodies" with them, they laid off right quick and took me in. They even started giving me rides and buying me beer. In exchange for goods, that is. I love free trade.

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Old 01-26-2011, 08:00 AM
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While there was nothing school-wide, I know all the freshman wrestlers in my high school in central FL got pink-bellies as recently as 2001 (some even drew blood).

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Old 01-26-2011, 08:41 AM
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+1 through and through, except it was the Bay Area for me. I thought they had attached a camera to my glasses or something. I was also the over-talky guy who desperately wanted to be cool but failed (in the movie, he was played by the guy who was in Saving Private Ryan as the Jewish soldier who wrestles over the knife with the Nazi )
Adam Goldberg, aka "The Hebrew Hammer"! IMO, a great, underrated actor.

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Old 01-27-2011, 01:46 AM
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Dazed and Confused is the most accurate depiction of high school life as I knew it. It helps that the time frame is an almost exact overlap for when I went to high school. I also went to high school in Georgia (suburban Atlanta). My high school was 8th grade through 12th - I never experience middle school/junior high school. In our school there was a kind of hazing of 8th graders, who were technically called subfreshmen, but called "Subbies". It was not formalized and pretty inconsistent. More like constant teasing and picking on until the next group of Subbies came in and got the same treatment. We dressed like the kids in that movie, had the same cars, hair, etc. and had similar parties, mostly out in the woods. Don't forget that the drinking age in most of the country was 18 at the time, so it was a lot easier to get beer, cigarettes, etc. Also, it seemed we had a lot more free rein to run around and with a lot less helicopter parenting.
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Old 01-27-2011, 01:57 AM
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Yes, around '76-'77 my brother made a "disciplinary" paddle with swoosh holes in shopclass (there is an aerodynamic and integration force calculation with a 24" by 6" paddle made of solid, weighty, hardwood, with aerodynamic swoosh". It was an FFA and Star Wrestler and Football Defense social currency of hazing and "patriarhcal admittance"

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Old 01-27-2011, 02:35 PM
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I had eggs thrown at me on my first day of High School. I graduated in 2004.
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Old 01-27-2011, 02:56 PM
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Freshman in 1976 in NorCal. This was probably the tail end of openly tolerated hazing. Usually humiliation type stuff - sing a commercial or get thrown in the pool. Get put in an armlock, some "friendly" nuggies, "friendly" back slapping, drop and do "humpies" (a kiind of humiliating pushup / simulated humping the floor thingy, some melvins, littler kids being hung up on the top shelf lockers, etc.

I remember the wresting coach who also taught math, told us freshmen to come see him if there were any issues. He certainly didn't tolerate the wrestlers getting involved. In fact, he channeled some natural competitive testosterone and many of the wrestlers would proactively stop any hazing so they could show off a few moves on the hazer.

some of the other teachers would just say "you'll get your chance to do the same when you're a senior." Lying bastards as by the time I was a senior, overt hazing was no longer tolerated.
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Old 01-27-2011, 03:26 PM
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I’m 49 and grew up in New York City. I never saw anything resembling “hazing.” There were a handful of silly, mostly harmless pranks played on freshmen (Signs saying “get your swimming pool passes at 3:30 in room 605,” even though our school didn’t have a swimming pool OR a room 605), but no physical abuse of any kind.

The movie was filmed here in Austin, Texas, and the woman I was dating at the time was a native Austinite who went to McCallum High School, just like Richard Linklater. She agreed that NOTHING like the hazing Linklater showed in the movie ever went on in Austin in the Seventies.

However… I’ve met many other people my age who went to high schools in small towns in different parts of Texas and who swear that all kinds of hazing rituals DID go on. One woman told me matter of factly, “Sure, every year, the freshman girls would get pelted with eggs and driven through the car wash in the back of a pickup truck.” A few guys confirmed that they got paddled by seniors. A local disc jockey I used to know casually told me that, in Tyler, seniors at his high school cut off a huge portion of his hair.

Did teachers and principals know about this? Apparently, yes- and they treated it as a time-honored tradition. Kids who turned to them for protection were regarded as crybabies who should just take their abuse quietly, since they’d get THEIR chance to abuse freshmen in a few years.
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Old 01-27-2011, 04:42 PM
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Medium-sized city with one big high school in Northeastern Wisconsin, Class of '92. The roughness I remember was in the first year of junior high (7th-9th grades) (also a single junior high for the whole city). Getting books knocked out of your hands was a frequent thing. Another thing was dragging a pen or pencil along the brick walls while walking and then "burning" someone on the back of the neck. Worst thing that happened to me was getting a purple nurple in the middle of a study hall out of nowhere, but that wasn't an upperclassman just a stupid idiot in my own grade.

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Old 10-28-2013, 05:40 PM
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Astorian wrote "The movie was filmed here in Austin, Texas, and the woman I was dating at the time was a native Austinite who went to McCallum High School, just like Richard Linklater. She agreed that NOTHING like the hazing Linklater showed in the movie ever went on in Austin in the Seventies."

Actually your statement should read in the very late Seventies. I graduated in 1978 and grew up in Austin. At Austin High hazing of the guys coming in from O. Henry Jr High was a big deal during the early and mid '70's. The upcoming Seniors would 'hunt' and shave the incoming Freshman's heads. I was caught after a Babe Ruth baseball game and ended up with a mohawk and some winglets. Shaved the rest off the next day. That was the last year the the majority of incoming freshmen got 'shaved'. It continued a couple of more years, but was pretty mush finsihed by '78. I don't know of any guys my Sr year that did any shaving.
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It's odd to think that when D&C was released in 1993 it was set 17 years earlier. Now the movie itself is 20 years old.

When I saw that movie at age 20 in 1993, 1976 seemed like a long ago mythical era. If the equivalent movie were made today it would describe 1996. That just doesn't feel right.
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When I was in HS (graduated '79, Texas), initiation was the norm. There were no roving bands of assholes with paddles, but freshmen got thrown in a creek, beat with Hot Wheels track, doused with flour, stuff like that. There are even pics in the yearbook of the throwing in the creek part.

On my first day of HS, there was an initiation assembly, which I skipped to get stoned with my sister and her friends. So I show up after the assembly stoned, in an unfamiliar place, and without the important bracelet that was handed out at the assembly - to be greeted by some seniors who noticed the missing bracelet. I told them some other seniors had already rolled me and stole my bracelet and they let me go. That was all the initiation I got, I declined the invite to the creek party.

The drinking age back then was 18, and I turned 18 a couple of months before graduation. You can only imagine. Plus there were designated smoking areas at some of the exits of the HS building. One of the smoking areas was on a set of steps known as "Freak's Corner", also noted in the yearbook. It was a different era, and not that far removed from "Dazed and Confused" from my POV.

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The only thing like this at my HS (suburban MD, early 90s) was throwing kids in the dumpster behind the convenience store next to the school. The store was just off school property, so of course that's where we went to hang out and smoke. If a freshman happened to come over and try to hang around, we chucked them into the dumpster; everyone knew this would happen and it could be easily avoided by just not coming near us.

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The way I remember it there was more "talk" in an urban legend type of way than any actual pervasive hazing.
This was my experience as well. There was a lot of talk of Freshman hazing, but so far as I could tell, none of it was real. It was basically just rumours for kids already in HS to scare 8th graders who would enter next year.
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I graduated in '89 and went to H.S. in suburban DFW. My freshman year, there was hazing, but it seemed to be limited to certain social groups or activities.

My friend and I walked into the wrong gym the first day of high school. We did what we would normally do, and went up to the top row of bleachers and watched everyone below us while we sat. Down on the floor of the gym, a bunch of kids I knew were being made to race by pushing pennies with their noses around the gym floor by another group of kids I didn't know. The group running the proceedings would take a break from cheering, look up at my friend and I, notice we were just patiently watching, and would just look away. Much later, we realized we were in the wrong gym, when the coach began telling us that we could have Christmas Break - but Spring Break was his! We were apparently in the soccer team's gym.

I don't know why they weren't interested in hazing the two long-haired metal kids, but they didn't even want to enter a staring contest. Maybe they were wary of who our friends might be, or maybe they figured out we were in the wrong gym before it entered our addled brains. Either way, they were more than happy to haze the kids who were going to be on the soccer team. I know the marching band did some hazing, too. One kid was Saran Wrapped to the flagpole in front of McDonald's at lunch time. The football team did some nastier stuff, apparently. But I have no first hand information.

None of the metal/stoner/waver/arty/punk/D-rock(it wasn't called goth then) people older than me were interested in that sort of thing. That's good, because I knew people who ended up on America's Most Wanted before they graduated high school*, and I know a few people who I'm surprised didn't make an appearance. They did seem pretty interested in whether I had any good drugs or records, and if I knew of anything cool to do. By the time I graduated, I was largely the same way. I have no idea if any hazing was going on by then.

*In fact, as far as I know, they are still on the lam. I have no idea how that ended up.

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