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Old 02-24-2011, 03:32 PM
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Can I lease an office space and live there?

I've long wondered the opposite of this question (can I use or rent my condo as an office?). Rather than hijack that thread:

Rent on houses and apartments around here is ridiculous. However there's plenty of office space to be had for well less than half the price of any decent residential place. Could I lease some of this cheap office space and just live there? Because really, if I leased a whole floor of a building, how would anyone ever know?

I would imagine of course the legality of this is going to vary by the local zoning laws, if legal at all. Is it legal anywhere? Even if it isn't legal, what's the worst that could happen to me if I got caught?
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Old 02-24-2011, 03:43 PM
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Good luck getting a shower or kitchen installed without the landlord knowing.

But if you just plan to sleep there and shower somewhere else and order a lot of takeout, I doubt anybody would stop you.
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Old 02-24-2011, 03:50 PM
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Could I lease some of this cheap office space and just live there? Because really, if I leased a whole floor of a building, how would anyone ever know?
The landlord, who would stop by once in a while to check on his property, would know. And using the property as a residence would likely violate the terms of the lease.
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Old 02-24-2011, 03:56 PM
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I know a person doing that with his office. It's a huge loft style floor on the edge of St Paul near Minneapolis. He's also a contractor and so he set up the office as a showroom and installed a shower and kitchen and has lived there for two years.
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Old 02-24-2011, 04:55 PM
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I spent a week in my office while my house was getting the hardwood floors redone. Used the break room to keep food in the fridge and reheat. I had a cot in my office, folded up during the day. Sponge off in the restroom.

No one cared. Security is used to me working late anyway. I did enjoy getting home. Camping in the office gets old.

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Old 02-24-2011, 05:05 PM
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It's not unusual to have a small shower in an office. Lots of people bike to work and have to wash off.

Can you get tenants/renters insurance living in an office space?
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Old 02-24-2011, 05:10 PM
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Sounds like a summer movie.

When DC's girlfriend kicks him out of the apartment, he's gotta find somewhere to stay - fast. Using his office as an apartment seemed like a great idea at first, but can he keep it a secret from his boss until the big promotion is decided?!

I'd watch.
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Old 02-25-2011, 12:18 AM
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It's not unusual to have a small shower in an office. Lots of people bike to work and have to wash off.

Can you get tenants/renters insurance living in an office space?
I got 10 years of working in different high and low rise office buildings. !0 buildings total. In excess of 4 million sq feet. Never seen a shower in any office. One set of buildings did have a health club with a shower. And at each of the other properties there was a Gym and showers.

I doubt that you could get "renters insurance". You would need a workmans comp policy, and a liabilaty insurance. You would have no problem setting up internet. Cable TV would probably be out. Depending on the building but most would have house cleaning comming in in the middle of the night to clean. Most tenant spaces so have kitchen lunch rooms with a micro wave oven. No cooking that could cause smoke, smoke detectorss and fire alarms.

Most buildings will not have heating or cooling from approx 7:00 PM to 6:00 AM. Nor on Saturday or Sunday and holidays. Also some buildings the lights will be on the Building Management system and all but the emergency lights will go off at night. And you will either have to us a dial up system or go to the light switches every hour or two and turn the lights back on.
Depending on the lease it could be classified as miss use of space.
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:27 AM
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Aren't there insurance issues? I think some policies prohibit a business property from being used as a residence.
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:51 AM
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Old 02-25-2011, 02:10 AM
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I got 10 years of working in different high and low rise office buildings. !0 buildings total. In excess of 4 million sq feet. Never seen a shower in any office. One set of buildings did have a health club with a shower. And at each of the other properties there was a Gym and showers.
In twenty years of working for 4 different companies in about 15 different buildings I have never been in an office building that did not have showers in at least one men's room.
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:19 AM
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The building I work in has about a dozen showers. But it's not lease spaced - our company built the building and we're the only ones in it. I jokingly considered living in my office, it probably wouldn't have been very hard (altough not fun either). As to doing it in a rented office - that sounds trickier.
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:16 AM
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In twenty years of working for 4 different companies in about 15 different buildings I have never been in an office building that did not have showers in at least one men's room.
That is one shower in the building, not a small shower in most offices.
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:23 AM
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From the renter's perspective, the only insurance you need is premises liability and contents insurance (unless your lease requires you to get insurance for the structure, as well, which would be odd unless you were renting the entire building).

To that end, if you are not actually using the office as an office, and don't invite anyone onto your premises, all you really stand to lose by not having insurance is the loss of the stuff in your office/home. Which may not be a big deal. So, insurance doesn't seem to be an issue. However, keep in mind that while your insurance policies may be irrelevant, the landlord's insurance policies may run the risk of rescission if something were to happen to the structure and the landlord was found to be in violation of his insurance contract (say, for example, by allowing people to live there). There's probably a very minuscule probability that that will come back to bite the renter in terms of a lawsuit for the landlord's losses if the insurance company didn't pay out because the renter was causing the landlord to not be in compliance with his insurance contract, but it is another consideration.

It probably violates the lease - or it violates it in a roundabout way such as a clause in the lease in which you agree not to do anything with your space that is against local laws or ordinances. Zoning restrictions would be one such ordinance. So, if you got found out, you should be prepared to get kicked out.

As has been mentioned, there aren't really nice bathing and cooking facilities in most offices. If you're a member of a gym, part one is taken care of, and depending on your financial resources or your willingness to go to a soup kitchen, part two can be too.

In all, it's probably feasible, but probably not enjoyable, and you should be prepared to be homeless at any time.

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Old 02-25-2011, 10:03 AM
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I had a friend who used to run a hobby shop for radio controlled toys. Above the office was a very large loft area that could be used as storage and the bathroom included a shower. It also had a breakroom/kitchen where he kept a hotplate and microwave. Since he had everything he needed at the shop, he just decided to live there at one point in the loft area to drastically cut his expenses. It wasn't insulated, but we live in San Diego so it didn't need to be. He lived there about a year until the hobby business went bust, but he really enjoyed not having to keep an apartment and he liked the idea that he was effectively his own security for the store. Indeed, one night someone did try to break in and he heard it and scared them off when he turned the lights on.
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:10 AM
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Zoning restrictions would be one such ordinance.
Yet another area where separation-of-uses zoning hurts us.

Office districts would be safer and more pleasant places if there were some residents mixed in.
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:17 AM
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I've seen them in Chicago but only in the central city and older suburbs. I think it may have something to do with the "old days" when the bosses actually had an executive washroom that was only used by them. I worked in two hotels and the GM's office actually had a restroom (incl shower) off the main office.

Of course in the old days, hotels had resident managers. I have also seen it in non hotel space. But like I said, it's always been in conjucntion with the boss's office.
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Old 02-25-2011, 02:37 PM
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Many years ago, I did some work for a company that was located in what, from the outside, looked like standard condo units. It's my firm belief that they were originally built from residential condo plans, or were plan was to be standard residential condos, that somehow converted to an office park. They had full kitchens (with appliances), and a full bathroom (shower only, but room for tubs).

As I was just starting my career, and was still young and dumb, I thought it would have been a great place to live. No neighbor to bother when I had friends over late into the night/weekends, and it was in a great location. Lots of parking available at night as well. Rent was in line with what they were charging for similar residential units elsewhere.

I didn't follow up on it, but I still think about it once in a while.
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Old 02-25-2011, 03:22 PM
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I got 10 years of working in different high and low rise office buildings. !0 buildings total. In excess of 4 million sq feet. Never seen a shower in any office. One set of buildings did have a health club with a shower. And at each of the other properties there was a Gym and showers.
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In twenty years of working for 4 different companies in about 15 different buildings I have never been in an office building that did not have showers in at least one men's room.
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That is one shower in the building, not a small shower in most offices.
How's that a problem? The tenant would still have access to it, presumably. Almost all the buildings I've worked in has had a shower, some with a workout room, some without. Whether the building was single-tenant or multiple-tenant, all tenants had access to the shower.
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Old 04-02-2012, 01:39 AM
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6+ months living in the office....

I had to reply...I had a hellish landlord experience and was able to get out of the house lease, with 1 week to find a place and move me and my business. I found a little office space for 1/5 the rent I had been paying. Got a gym membership to a 24 hours chain (private showers). Bought a big mini fridge. Moved in me and my business. Got a futon, etc on Craigslist. It has been a renaissance for me. My finances are stronger, I'm building my business. I'm going after deep life / career goals that might have been dropped. I'm being intentionally vague - Ill be world famous in the arts one day, not just making my living at it, as I am now, which ain't bad either. This has given me the breathing room to develop my art. Theres been a lot of luck...a next door neighbor that's never here, a building thats kept up enough to be reasonable but no security cameras, etc. A property manager that doesn't care, for a company that's going broke...I recently was offered a tiny rental house that I could easily afford and It blows my mind but I don't want to move. Chicks come over and say they could never live like this but they still come over! It sucks to have to lie to my clients that I have a home, and to sneak around here but it's worth it. I'm saving a grand a month on rent. The worst is first thing when I wake up, getting to the shared bathroom and trying to avoid people...still it's fine....raw vegan foods in the blender are great in this environment...still I can cook (hot plate, toaster oven)...it's a great neighborhood...f@ck landlords and pricey rentals. I hope to be here 2 more years till I can buy a place for cash. I have to get better at conquering my fears...relaxing...I can be a little neurotic here sometimes, lol...it goes in phases...sometimes I'm totally chill...there is always some uncertainty...I can do my art here which is just freakin awesome (wouldn't work in an apartment). I have a few windows and a air purifier (old building). The place is climate controlled. I have a vehicle I can sleep in if it gets weird. I hope / plan to be traveling a lot more as time goes on, so I'm not here much anyways and it becomes an inexpensive place to store my stuff and come back and regroup...Life is a daring adventure....
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:04 AM
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Its not a shower in an officer per say BUT......

Two one story industrial buildings I've worked at did have a shower inside the building in the toilets. Also two industrial buildings my father worked in also had a shower, it may have been intended as a emergency chemical shower but the employess used it all the same.

And a high rise office suite building I've been in(that housed the regional offices of Social Security at the time) had a shower in the men's room at least(dunno about the women's )

So its not that rare.
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Old 04-02-2012, 08:34 AM
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If the City's Code Enforcement Office does catch up with you, expect a buttload of fines.
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Old 04-02-2012, 09:57 AM
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In twenty years of working for 4 different companies in about 15 different buildings I have never been in an office building that did not have showers in at least one men's room.
In a couple areas I've lived the local building code actually said that all office buildings of more than mumble mumble had to have a shower. The law was passed specifically to encourage commuting via bike. A quick google shows NY City has similar laws which give the building owners some sort of credit if they have showers for bikers.
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:02 AM
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To that end, if you are not actually using the office as an office, and don't invite anyone onto your premises,
Yeah, but what if you do invite folks onto your premises while using the office as an office? Say you hang out your shingle as an attorney -- or, if you don't have a license to practice law, as a wedding planner, or a language tutor, or a website designer, or something, anything.

Sure, as it happens you don't get a lot of walk-in business -- but your front office is ready just in case anyone ever shows up looking to pay for your services as a travel agent or a yoga instructor or a private eye or whatever. You also happen to have a back room with a shower (and a little fridge, and a PC with an internet connection, and half-a-dozen other nifty little things), but that's not illegal, right?
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:05 AM
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This is the first building I've worked in that doesn't have shower facilities. (20+ years in work force - probably 8-9 buildings?) Only once did I have a privte bathroom with shower, but there's usually some sort of gym and a shower in the basement. even my daughter's school has that for the teachers.

That said, I'm sure if I'd ever tried it I'd have been snagged by the parking attendants. They get very interested anytime a car stays overnight.

Mixed-use areas do exist though. A dream of mine has always been to own a bookstore/cafe and live over top of it. :: sigh ::

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Old 04-02-2012, 11:17 AM
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I know someone who did this. The problem was that he couldn't overtly say the office was his residence. He claimed he lived at his brother's house, and that was his official residence. The landlord didn't care as long as he had some other place that was his official residence. He put a free standing shower in the bathroom, put in a little kitchenette out in the big common area, and slept on the couch in his office. But he rarely cooked anything there, and washed his clothes at the coin-op. He did it for about 2 years, then moved in with his GF. His employees thought he was an oddball at first, but he was successful and they all did well in the end. I think it would be a good idea for a young, single entrepreneur during a start up operation.
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:33 AM
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Sounds like a summer movie.

When DC's girlfriend kicks him out of the apartment, he's gotta find somewhere to stay - fast. Using his office as an apartment seemed like a great idea at first, but can he keep it a secret from his boss until the big promotion is decided?!

I'd watch.
*is standing outside the cinema checking the start times*


Not quite the same thing as the OP, but I knew a guy who rented a flat in town, and opened a shop elsewhere in the town. The shop had an upstairs that wasn't being used for anything, so he thought he'd do himself a favour, and pay the rent for the shop, and live in the space above it.

The shop landlord quickly found out what he was doing, and although they didn't have a leg to stand on, as there was nothing in the lease forbidding him doing this, they waited till he'd gone out one day, came in, and dumped a load of furniture and other household stuff upstairs so that he couldn't use the space to live in.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:52 PM
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office by the beach

It is a great solution when in a jam.

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Old 04-07-2013, 10:37 PM
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Not quite the same thing as the OP, but I knew a guy who rented a flat in town, and opened a shop elsewhere in the town. The shop had an upstairs that wasn't being used for anything, so he thought he'd do himself a favour, and pay the rent for the shop, and live in the space above it.

The shop landlord quickly found out what he was doing, and although they didn't have a leg to stand on, as there was nothing in the lease forbidding him doing this, they waited till he'd gone out one day, came in, and dumped a load of furniture and other household stuff upstairs so that he couldn't use the space to live in.
Sounds like a way to foolishly chase away a good paying tenant.
Wonder how long that landlord stayed in business?
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Old 04-09-2013, 04:06 PM
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*is standing outside the cinema checking the start times*


Not quite the same thing as the OP, but I knew a guy who rented a flat in town, and opened a shop elsewhere in the town. The shop had an upstairs that wasn't being used for anything, so he thought he'd do himself a favour, and pay the rent for the shop, and live in the space above it.

The shop landlord quickly found out what he was doing, and although they didn't have a leg to stand on, as there was nothing in the lease forbidding him doing this, they waited till he'd gone out one day, came in, and dumped a load of furniture and other household stuff upstairs so that he couldn't use the space to live in.
Was the upstairs space defined in the lease as part of the rented space or not? If so, how could the owners put things into it? If not, how did they not have a basis for a violation?
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Old 04-09-2013, 04:14 PM
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Corcaigh hasn't posted since before Christmas, so I doubt you'll get an answer.
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Old 08-22-2016, 09:29 PM
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Technically and Legally yes.

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I've long wondered the opposite of this question (can I use or rent my condo as an office?). Rather than hijack that thread:

Rent on houses and apartments around here is ridiculous. However there's plenty of office space to be had for well less than half the price of any decent residential place. Could I lease some of this cheap office space and just live there? Because really, if I leased a whole floor of a building, how would anyone ever know?

I would imagine of course the legality of this is going to vary by the local zoning laws, if legal at all. Is it legal anywhere? Even if it isn't legal, what's the worst that could happen to me if I got caught?
If your office space is part of your business you can claim there are documents/valuables that need protecting and hire yourself as the night watchman.
Happens all over the place.
What I'd suggest though is getting a small 19 foot motorhome and put your company name on it across the back and use it as much as possible. You can claim it is a mobile office.

So yes you can, you just have to think it out and have the correct responses when needed.
The amount you save on taxes, utilities, insurance on a home, etc will easily offset a small motorhome even a class B style that can be driven around like a custom van.

CYa
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I know someone who did this. The problem was that he couldn't overtly say the office was his residence. He claimed he lived at his brother's house, and that was his official residence. The landlord didn't care as long as he had some other place that was his official residence. He put a free standing shower in the bathroom, put in a little kitchenette out in the big common area, and slept on the couch in his office. But he rarely cooked anything there, and washed his clothes at the coin-op. He did it for about 2 years, then moved in with his GF. His employees thought he was an oddball at first, but he was successful and they all did well in the end. I think it would be a good idea for a young, single entrepreneur during a start up operation.
We have a bunch of development in downtown Fresno that is specifically built with a ground floor office/shop space and an upstairs apartment. For IRS purposes it makes a pretty clear line which space is which and your commute is measured in feet. In some ways I would love such an arrangement.
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:48 AM
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If your office space is part of your business you can claim there are documents/valuables that need protecting and hire yourself as the night watchman.
Happens all over the place.
CYa
Well, you can claim whatever you want, but if things ended up in court, I know how I'd bet on the Judge ruling.
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:25 PM
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If your office space is part of your business you can claim there are documents/valuables that need protecting and hire yourself as the night watchman.
For a sole prop, this would be irrelevant as the money you paid the "night watchmen" was your money anyways unless you tried to claim the night watchman is another person for schedule C purposes which will not fly under more than a cursory review by the IRS. I know of people who have invented half a dozen small businesses out of thin air trying to create deductions for services that are actually cash in pocket. Some get away with it for a while, invariably it implodes.

For a corporation its still money being paid to you. it would make no fiscal difference if you cut 5 checks for $1,000 a month or 1 for $5,000 it is all income paid to an employee which is you resulting in the same end game tax situation.
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:31 PM
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If your office space is part of your business you can claim there are documents/valuables that need protecting and hire yourself as the night watchman.
So your scam involves claiming your business needs a night watchman. How do you explain needing a bed? Because a night watchman isn't expected to sleep on the job.
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:33 PM
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So your scam involves claiming your business needs a night watchman. How do you explain needing a bed? Because a night watchman isn't expected to sleep on the job.
As long as he is not trying to deduct the cost of a bed in his home office the IRS probably will not care much about that detail.
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Old 06-06-2017, 09:47 AM
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Our lease for the Taekwondo school says we can't live in it. But the reality is that we probably could live in it and the landlord would never know. Use the gym down the street to shower, use the coin-op laundry around the corner.
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Old 06-07-2017, 01:29 AM
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Rent on houses and apartments around here is ridiculous. However there's plenty of office space to be had for well less than half the price of any decent residential place.
But the lease conditions are going to be different.

I don't know what the standard lease conditions are for you, but around here:

A commercial lease does not include outgoings (mostly taxes). A residential lease does.
A commercial lease can be broken on short notice. A residential lease they can't just evict you without reason.

Also, the fire safety regulations are different for residential properties. That means many commercial premises are not "fit for habitation", which means that they can't recover unpaid rent if they "permit" you to live there.
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Old 06-07-2017, 07:34 AM
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So your scam involves claiming your business needs a night watchman. How do you explain needing a bed? Because a night watchman isn't expected to sleep on the job.
In Australia if you have a development of warehouse / office spaces which is normally non residential it is legal to designate one warehouse / space in the lot as being for a caretaker to live in. In some cases people have cheaply and legally built themselves very very nice and large homes inside warehouses through this provision. They still need to meet fire standards etc The caretaker position doesn't need to be paid and theres not really any requirements for what counts as a caretaker.

On the other hand many areas are designated dual usage. I'm currently living in a town house which is dual use and which is both office space and my home, however the pricing for it was the same as normal residential space really so it's not a bargain. In this case the lease is in my company name and I pay my company a portion to rent my living space off my company (sub letting). All with the approval of the owner, wouldn't be worth the risk otherwise.

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Old 06-07-2017, 10:30 AM
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What are the property taxes like in your part of the World?

In the UK, we pay Council Tax on residential property and Business Rates Tax on commercial property. Both fund local services. Business Rates are usually more expensive.

I discovered this when viewing a property to buy - it was a 'live/work' space, where the ground floor was designated as commercial premises. I didn't need a home office at the time but thought it might come in useful, but then discovered that it would mean paying higher property taxes.

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Old 06-07-2017, 10:33 AM
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Rent an office. Put a sign on the door - "Sleep study area, please be quiet."

Problem solved.
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Old 06-07-2017, 02:29 PM
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In this area I've seen quite a few houses that have been transformed into offices. All the ones I've been in, it didn't look like anyone was actually living there. Maybe a zoning code violation?
The place I used to live had a bunch of stores with apartments over them. I can't imagine a worse place to live.

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Old 06-08-2017, 10:11 AM
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In this area I've seen quite a few houses that have been transformed into offices. All the ones I've been in, it didn't look like anyone was actually living there. Maybe a zoning code violation?
The place I used to live had a bunch of stores with apartments over them. I can't imagine a worse place to live.


Generally speaking, the idea of putting residences above shops is a great idea. It increases conveniences, efficiencies, and quality if life in multiple ways.
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:49 AM
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Our lease for the Taekwondo school says we can't live in it. But the reality is that we probably could live in it and the landlord would never know. Use the gym down the street to shower, use the coin-op laundry around the corner.
Heck, I can easily imagine a martial-arts studio that -- well, folks exercise there, right? Working up a sweat, kind of like at a gym? So what if it has its own showers?
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:45 AM
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I'm trying to think of a good reason why commercial properties can't be used as residences ... seems that all the logical reasons are fairly trivial ... so that only leaves illogical reasons ...

So, we rent a store front and set up a little habitable space in the back ... our commercial landlord is getting his money, but then there's a residential landlord who isn't getting anything ... generally speaking, landlords have a great amount of political power, and legislators will fashion all manner of lame excuses to prohibit residing in commercial properties ... so by law we're required to rent an apartment someplace in addition to our commercial rent ... more of our money leaving our pockets and going into landlords' pockets ...

How many legislators are themselves landlords? ... a landlord collects rents on the first of the month, pays bills on the second ... that leaves four weeks per month free time to hold political office without affecting the landlord's income ... including being the judge in eviction court (hahahaha) ...

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Old 06-08-2017, 02:56 PM
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Supposedly one of the issues is that electrical outlets and wiring in offices isn't requires to be as heavy duty ad for residences, so plugging in a microwave or a fridge is a hazard.
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Old 06-08-2017, 03:05 PM
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How many legislators are themselves landlords? ... a landlord collects rents on the first of the month, pays bills on the second ... that leaves four weeks per month free time to hold political office without affecting the landlord's income ... including being the judge in eviction court (hahahaha) ...
Clearly, you have never been a landlord, or even a build superintendent.

The maintenance alone requires much more time than that (unless you're a slumlord who does none). Plus all the paperwork required by the government, and tax reports, city inspections, etc. And there's the work or replacing tenants who move -- advertising, showing, screening, approving, signing papers, notifying other applicants. Even in a small building, that probably happens every few months.

Like most occupations, doing a good job as a landlord takes a lot more work than it appears to outsiders.
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Clearly, you have never been a landlord, or even a build superintendent.

The maintenance alone requires much more time than that (unless you're a slumlord who does none). Plus all the paperwork required by the government, and tax reports, city inspections, etc. And there's the work or replacing tenants who move -- advertising, showing, screening, approving, signing papers, notifying other applicants. Even in a small building, that probably happens every few months.

Like most occupations, doing a good job as a landlord takes a lot more work than it appears to outsiders.
The only clarity is that you've never been a landlord ... what you describe is the occupation of a rental manager ... for small operations, of course it makes sense for the owner to manage the units themselves ... if we're talking several hundred units spread out over a few cities ... the owner just hires out all the work ... [giggle] ... and pays the invoices on the 2nd of each month ...

Why on Earth would you think a person grossing over a million dollars a month is going to be out scooping dog shit off people's porches? ... or are you not aware of that particular task associated with apartment complexes? ...
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Old 06-08-2017, 03:49 PM
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Supposedly one of the issues is that electrical outlets and wiring in offices isn't requires to be as heavy duty ad for residences, so plugging in a microwave or a fridge is a hazard.
No, the requirement is the same -- for example, the code requirement for a refrigerator receptacle is a 20-Amp, separate circuit. That's what you should put a fridge on.

+It's just that in a house, you know where the kitchen will be and thus where the refrigerator outlet should be. But you don't know that in an office, so they just pick a location to be a 'break room' and install a refrigerator, microwave, etc. in it, even though the room might only be wired for normal office use.

However, most modern offices are designed so that wiring can be easily changed & adapted to its' use, so they could rewire appropriate wiring into the break room. Also, nowadays offices are usually wired heavier than they used to be, with every desk having a computer printer, cell phone charger, etc. -- much more electrical equipment than before.
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