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More Sterling Performance From The TSA
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These articles are so depressing.
I gotta tell ya, if I get blown out of the sky by some bomb, I sure hope the TSA Agent took more than a $100 bribe to kill me! I'm going to say anything under 5 G's is an insult to both me and my family. However, if they get five figures to blow me up, well, how can I argue with that? But I've seen these guys in action...it'll be more like ten bucks and a #3 Value Meal. |
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Yeah, but the #3 Value Meal is a Double Quarter-Pounder with Cheese. Salty beef, melty cheese, hot fries....who could resist that?
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No bacon - No pass
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But everyone 'feels' safer. Right?
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Especially when TSA searches passengers debarking from a train. http://beaufort.thedigitel.com/featu...ns--24547-0302
Given the depressing frequency with which law-abiding Americans run their vehicles into trains at grade crossings, it's pointless to search passengers. After all, why carry a bomb on a train when you can stop a truck bomb at a grade crossing and have the train plow into it? And to search people leaving the train. . . the stupid, it hurts! |
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Once on the ground in Denver, though, we had to walk through a metal detector before walking off the tarmac and into a ground-level door at DIA. Pointless for the fact that my fellow passengers and I were unscreened as we flew, but needed since we were now entering a secured area of an international airport. |
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Serious question: What level of TSA screening is "appropriate"?
There are a lot of critics of the TSA and their searching/scanning procedures on this board. I'm curious just how much searching would be proper. I would assume scanning passenger luggage for explosives and metal detection would be OK, but that a lot of the patdowns and such is unnecessary. But I'll let you guys speak for yourselves. |
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ETA: On a quick search, I found the box cutter story with the same date as the Guardian story, on every major U.S. newspaper and internet outlet. Last edited by tomndebb; 03-03-2011 at 10:27 PM. |
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Because the screening system we have now is fucked up. Because i just went through the screening at two airports, where you can buy everything from M&Ms to laptops once you pass through the gate. I'm sure there are other travelers here with similar stories.
I took my shoes off in Chicago, and emptied my pockets of change, chapstick and an mp3 player in Sarasota. I had to take my sweater off both times, and for what i'm not sure. I had my luggage searched on the return flight and i'm not sure why they opened it just that i got the little tag that said they went through my luggage. I don't want the plane I'm flying on to crash but there's got to be a better way to do this... I don't know how they grade threats but I'd like to see how i score as a 32 year old, atheist in blue jeans who wears glasses, who seems to look like a librarian to some people. |
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When everybody is comfortable with everybody else, they get on the airplane.
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I'd like to dial it back to the days of walk-through metal detectors with some random (truly random) more thorough checks; carry-on items very limited and thoroughly screened. Air marshals on planes, or maybe armed and trained stewards, steel doors limiting access to pilots, a policy that says pilots don't respond to hostage takers. Some of the checks they do are so obviously a response to the last threat found that it's almost embarrassing for everyone involved. A guy tries to bring in a bomb in his shoe, everyone in America has to have his shoes checked. A guy tries to make a bomb on the plane, everyone in America is restricted to 3 oz bottles. All a bad guy has to do to screw with millions of American is to talk some idiot into walking into an airport with an explosive in his underpants. The knee-jerk reactions really need to stop - they help the bad guys win. |
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How YOU doin' ? |
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If we used my system, you'd be able to find out!
Just sayin'...... |
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It isn't glamourous or exciting, I'll give you that, but my experience is usually something like: Stand in a couple of lines; put my stuff on a conveyer belt; walk through a metal detector; sit around bored at the gate for a while; and then sit in a somewhat cramped seat for a few hours. And for that bit of inconvenience, I'm where I wanted to go, relatively quickly and easily. I'll take that over 40-plus hours of driving to Florida and back every time. I guess you have a lower threshold of awfulness. |
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Protecting the cockpit is key. All planes should have (if they don't already) bulletproof doors than can be securely locked from the inside. If hijacking the plane isn't an option, the motivation to bring guns, knives, and other anti-personnel weapons is removed. That leaves us with explosives to worry about. Rather than scanners that work visually, we should focus on developing and implementing electronic sniffing machines that detect traces of explosives, as well as illegal drugs. These machines are less invasive than the scanners and can detect a wider range of materials with high accuracy. In addition, they sound an alert when they detect something, rather than relying on a TSA agent to notice something suspicious-looking on a screen. |
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Disembark, not debark.
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The law should read that every employee of TSA and every Congresscritter have to go through intensive screening, including frisking, scanning and the occasional full cavity search every day before they report to work. Then we'll see how long these stupid regulations last.
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Weird One, one of the most useful post-9/11 reforms was requiring strengthened cockpit doors. Forcing the door open is now very time-consuming, and leads into...
A major useful change in mindset post-9/11 was a disruption in the paradigm. The paradigm among flight crews and passengers used to be "cooperate and survive to be ransomed / exchanged," now it's "they're probably going to wreck the plane and kill us all, so FIGHT BACK!" |
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My husband once had his checked bag searched. We didn't mind that one because in addition to the "sorry we searched your bag" slip, the agent had also neatly folded all of my husband's clothing. Not re-folded, but folded - he'd originally packed in a hurry and just kind of stuffed his bag full. |
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How you doin'.
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Thus my advocacy for "inspection by challenge". Just in the interests of public safety, you understand. |
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Last time I flew, from San Diego to Seattle, and then Dallas to San Diego, I forgot to check all the pockets of my purse and ended up taking my Swiss Army Knife through security. Twice.
I feel so safe. |
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Anyhow, this has nothing to do with TSA, and I'm not wading into that quagmire, so I'll be returning my seatback to its full upright position, stowing my tray table, gathering all my personal belongings and exiting the thread now. We know you have a choice of message boards and we thank you for choosing the Straight Dope.
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OTOH there are many reported cases where someone has gotten on board with ill intent, and every time the TSA just adds another screening requirement. Shoe bomber? Everyone take off your shoes! What's going to happen when someone boards with a bit of C4 or Semtex surgically implanted in their abdomen? Laproscopically, it would be a minor procedure. Sorry ma'am. You've been randomly selected for exploratory surgery. Sealed cockpits are the best solution against hijacking. They just don't support an unending revenue stream. |
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Also, the system should be run by highly educated professionals who are not only impeccably trained on the machinery, but who are also as suave and personable as Cary Grant in order to make every flier feel like a king. And they should be volunteers, because nobody likes how much it costs to run the TSA. Is that so much to ask for? The vast number of security experts on the Internet think it should be pretty easy to do. |
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Rob Schneider, airport security screener, to passenger Sharon Stone: "Arch your back...for more security."
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If terrorists want to blow up a plane, they will do it. TSA can only catch the stupid ones and that does not need such heavily intrusive screening as they do now. And all intelligent people know that this is true, and also know that the odds of any successful attempt affecting any specific individual are infinitesimal. We could save more lives in a year by outlawing left turns on our highways but we don't do that, we accept the losses to avoid all the pain. We need the same outlook on air travel. |
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Last edited by Ravenman; 03-04-2011 at 04:14 PM. |
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My kids are both competitive saber fencers. I've probably told this story before, but due to the high cost of the equipment, we take everything except the sabers themselves in carry on bags (the sabers are in hard plastic golf travel bags). Only ONCE has a screener even batted an eye at seeing a stainless steel mesh face mask and a stainless steel conductive jacket with wires coming out all over the place. I even said one time, "Wow, you must know fencing!". Blank look- she hadn't noticed that was in the bag as it went through the X-ray.
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I'm ok
Having flown recently, i just have questions... So, I packed my luggage and came in just under the 50 pound limit, and had a bunch of random stuff of mine squished in together, a suit, a gown, photo albums, cross-stitch projects, souvenirs, CD wallet, yearbook... plus the usual toiletries and clothes. Did my luggage fulfill some randomness requirement? Last edited by anya marie; 03-05-2011 at 03:27 AM. |
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This is a question I'm not sure the TSA has asked themselves. Their procedures area almost always geared to catch yesterdays threat, no matter the inconvenience, intrusion, threat, or effectiveness. This results in lots of procedures that are a tiny bit effective and a lot invasive.
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I would be down with a chemicals sniffer, and I am OK with being wanded, or if they can come up with totally wooden crutches walking through the metal detector.
I really do not like the fact that others can go through the pornoscan and I have to get groped. I really do not like being touched, frequently I am in enough background pain that even the light bouncing of someone else pushing a wheelchair with me in it is excruciating, so being poked and prodded is annoyingly painful. Christ on a pogo stick. I have had multiple security clearances for 30+ fucking years. I have had the FBI do everything except crawl up my ass, I really doubt that I am any sort of security problem. I would love to have some sort of damned card so I can avoid the whole mess. |
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The bacon requirement keeps away Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist and Jain religious fanatics. Baptists are still a problem.
Can you take out my gallbladder while you're in there? |
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Posting from a mobile device so it's a PITA to link, but there is indeed a process by which you can do exactly that. We looked at it because we travel a ton, both domestically & internationally, but the lower age limit or the program is 16 and our kids are 9 & 11, so we'll wait.
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When my unit came back from Iraq, we stopped briefly at Baltimore International Airport, which at the time closed up at some ludicrous early hour. We left our weapons behind on the plane----M16s, .249s, sidearms, you name it. That was the most heavily armed plane in the world at the moment. A colonel on board demonstrated leadership by ordering a bunch of light colonels to guard the weapons and let the lower ranks off the plane. We got to wander around for about a half an hour, then headed back to the plane.
The TSA made us take off our boots, our belts, and our overblouses. Why? Because there were Al Qaeda agents lurking in Baltmore amongst the cleaning staff, on the off chance that he'd be able to turn a soldier to the other side in a half an hour. Or maybe they were terrified we'd picked up....nail clippers.....or something else fearsome to take back to that plane full of guns. Judging by the smirk on the lead asshole's face, I kind of doubt it. And that was before I got through and saw them trying to pull aside the only black member in the company---a citizen of more than thirty years' standing, a member of the military for nearly as long. Yeah. So, what exactly are the TSA providing us with? It's the passengers doing all the terrorist catching. Why don't we just have the fucking TSA screen the luggage and hand out free champagne in line to the passengers? Get everybody nice and relaxed and if somebody tries something, the passengers can use the booze bottles to subdue him. But, seriously, have they ever caught <i>anybody?</i> |
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