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Don't Get Me Wrong But -- Should I Really Donate For Japan Quake?
I know and work with a lot of people in Japan. Fortunately after a flurry of messages they're okay if shaken (eh).
So I saw on Google, and got from a number of Japanese trade organizations whose mailing list I'm on, links to the Red Cross, etc. to give money. Now, it's a horrible tragedy. And I gave money after the big tsunami. So it's not like I don't care. But . . . is there really a need here? I mean, in the first instance, the very organized and prepared Japanese emergency services are on the scene. The Self-Defense forces are mobilized (may as well go all-in as they're not really otherwise allowed to do anything on the military side). The Americans are sending lots of military support/resources. All good things. Japanese citizens are being encouraged to leave it to the professionals as far as searching for survivors. Community organizations, schools, individual houses, are being made available to displaced residents. So is it really hard-hearted to say -- nothing against the Red Cross, but what can/will they add to the scene? I don't know the exact logistics of what they can get done on the ground in Japan (somewhat infamously, IIRC, the Japanese authorities were really insistent on self-reliance after Kobe 1995, resisting even American military help in a way that may have hindered rescues, etc. -- it seems at least as to military help, they've learned the lesson, but will they allow/want American or international relief organizations to take a leading role?). Is there any evidence that more outside boots on the ground are needed/would not just lead to everyone stepping on each other? I'm just getting a different feel here than for Indonesia or Haiti, where there was no hint of an organized and sophisticated local capability to respond, so flooding the region with materiel, money, and personnel was a no-brainer (not that it led to perfect results to hear tell). I just wonder whether in the world's third largest economy which has effectively unlimited governmental resources to respond financially, and can draw on well-organized safety services manpower from unaffected areas of the country and from the U.S. military, there is really any additive role that outside financial aid could play (I mean, I guess we could use it to replenish the Japanese government budget, but that hardly seems compelling for most of us). No one's going to go without food or clean water or shelter (or, not for any longer than they would absent my $100, once the initial disruption is worked through). Full disclosure -- I probably will send the Red Cross a little donation because, well, they do good work. But is there any argument that flooding the Red Cross with donations (other than being a Good Thing to do in general, and a symbolic show of sympatahy when we can't do much else to help the victims) will lead to any significant acceleration of the rate at which the victims/affected region are made safe and sound, or the thoroughness of the recovery? |
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When a major disaster hits, charity organizations in unrelated parts of the world often see a dip in donations because so many donors are focusing only on that disaster. So why not instead donate to a good cause that works somewhere else. I would suggest Food for the Poor.
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Don't give
The actual dollar that you give won't see the front lines. During emergencies, these service organizations use the opportunity to raise money that is often used on the next situation. In major situations like this that last a long time, some current funds may make it through, especially if you designate a destination.
However, my view is that if a person gives for the wrong reasons, it's bad Karma for the giver. So when it doubt, don't. I suggest you wait and chose an organization, time and reason that feels more right to you. Maybe some local people will be left out in the cold after a house fire. You could help the people out more directly through the Salvation Army and feel better about it. |
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I agree with what the other posters said, in America we still have homeless people, people who can't afford their meds, people who need help. Why divert funds from one rich nation to another.
OK if you need technical help, like with the nuclear reactor or fireman that are experts, by all means send them and help. Japan is a very rich nation and to me, it makes little sense. It would be kind of like saying, "I will let my brother go without his meds, to give the same meds to a stranger" Historically very little of the money you donate ever makes it through anyway, but people feel they want to help, so I can understand them doing so. But you'd be better off donating money to help the earthquake victims in Haiti, which years later is still suffering, rather than in Japan, which is modern, industrialized and well equipped to cope. As I said, it's just human nature to want to help people when you see it. |
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I suspect that some of this, even among the basically well-intentioned, comes from the progressive instinct to "just do something" and from cause-fatigue (Haiti isn't drawing in the donations, maybe this video of tsunamis will). |
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So you were shaken by the news, but not necessarily stirred to action?
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Off topic a little but we have had severe flooding in one of our States. People donated and now the Federal Govt has announced a "flood levy" (read tax) to pay for damage.
So we end up paying anyway. And in one fell swoop the Govt has killed all future voluntary donations because people will think they will be hit by a tax anyway. Re the original point I wouldn't donate for the reasons outlined above Plus I am always dubious about where any donation ends up going. |
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I'd find it easier to contribute to things like this if there were no problems at home. But I see the homeless everywhere, most working people are one accident from being homeless, the Koori population has it very hard and last year World Vision asked me to help out with poverty in the US.
World Vision and about the US they say: "Did you know that two thirds of the people living in poverty in our country work more than one job just to make ends meet? Forty percent of the poor are children, elderly or disabled. And then there are those forced into poverty by situations such as illness, divorce, and job loss. Shame and fear of judgment can paralyze those in real poverty. Please donate now to help children and their families caught in these situations." |
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What it really comes down to, is what country you are from, and whether or not "you" are able to donate anything. If you are from a country that is hugely in debt and on the verge of bankruptcy (United States, England, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Iceland, Italy) then you really are not in a position to give anything. For example, it would make no sense at all for any American to borrow even more than they do now from china for the purpose of giving it away. Also, any person anywhere (from any country) who is personally on welfare or charity, should not be giving away anything. If you are on welfare, or on food stamps, or on unemployment, or on SSDI, or on SSI, etc then you should not even be thinking about giving away someone else's money. Giving away money borrowed from someone else is not a good thing, it is a bad thing, and doing so is unethical and immoral. Much worse than "the blind leading the blind". Last edited by Susanann; 03-13-2011 at 08:26 AM. |
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If you support the Red Cross in general, it makes sense to continue supporting them. Whatever work they are doing there is going to deplete their funding reserves, and they will need to build it back up for the next emergency- which may be in a less prosperous place.
There are also groups working with specific demographics in Japan that may not be sharing the wealth. There are the elderly, poor single parents, and disadvantaged groups of all types. They can use support just as much as any poor American could. |
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I just made a donation at their site, and you can select where to direct your donation. I didn't read the fine print or anything, but it would seem that they should honor that choice. If you can afford to donate, just do it; whatever charity you choose.
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A lot of nations have donated money to the US for disasters like Hurricane Katrina. I don't know whether Japan in particular did, but I would assume so. If you want, donate to the general fund for aid charities like the Red Cross, and they can choose where money is needed at any particular time.
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I've read that the Japanese aren't as keen on donating blood - so maybe go give some blood if you can. It doesn't cost anything, and even though it may not actually go to Japan, it might fill a local need. Everyone wins!
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I actually can't imagine how we could even recover from a similar disaster. |
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Why donate? Because Japan gave millions in aid after Hurricane Katrina, routinely sends a lot of aid around the world, and it's only fair to reciprocate now that they have been hit by a disaster. They may be rich, but there are serious food and water shortages and hundreds of thousands displaced and it sure sounds like they could use some help. They have already asked for supplies and rescue teams and fortunately it seems like the world community is rising to the occasion.
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I'll admit that my personal money would, if donated to Japan, do a lot more good that my previous donations to Haiti. I could depend on its being used for the purpose I donated it for. Nevertheless . . . I can't personally donate money to every disaster that comes down the pike. If Adolf Busch's house burns down, I'm not going to send him donations. If my co-worker that is an administrative assistant single mom's house burns down, I will certainly write her a check. Same thing as far as I'm concerned. |
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The government of Japan offered $200,000 to the Red Cross, and $300,000 in emergency supplies (tents, food, etc.) to the U.S. government .
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Millions of yen, not dollars, I guess. ^_^
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Basically, I would agree with that. |
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The disaster total so far is at 100 billion dollars. I'm not sure exactly what that means, but it's not cheap. In any case, the attitude in this thread that because Japan is a developed nation somehow means it does not need our help is really fucking sickening. Sure, you don't have to feel obligated, but starving and homeless people are starving and homeless people. Grrr....
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I wouldn't call it sickening. There are starving and homeless people the world over, and I don't think it's unreasonable to say, for example, "Haiti needs my money more than Japan does".
FWIW, after their natural disasters, both my Australian and New Zealander friends have expressed the same feelings: "we're first world countries, there are other countries suffering from the aftermath of disasters that aren't, they need donations and aid more than we do." |
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I'm willing to accept that the fact that I live in Japan biases me heavily.
Still, I feel there's a difference between saying "Other countries need it more" and "Oh, Japan is rich so I don't need to donate to them at all." Also, even if one country as a whole needs money than another, suffering is suffering. This is not a game of Risk or a discussion of economic theory. This is people's lives. |
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If we use the needy in the US as a rationale for not helping other nations, then we will never help other nations. Sure, we have homeless in the US. We don't have entire regions suffering on the same scale as the Japanese. For those of you with religious beliefs, can you imagine St. Peter asking you "How many Americans did you help?" rather than "How many people did you help?"
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You all make me feel like a chump. I donated $30 to Direct Relief because they have one of the lowest in overhead expenses. I never donate money at all. I don't even give bums money or food, but I did this time.
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OP, you're not the only one wondering. Relevant Slate article here.
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Also check with your employer to see if they sponsor any charity programs. The company I work for is matching donations to the Red Cross's International Relief arm by 100%, so my donation is more or less going twice as far.
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Why should I donate?
Hell I just saw a guy saying he had lost everything but in his drive he had four SUV's three fishing boats and a bullet train all parked there! ( obligatory sick joke) Of course am gonna donate. maybe the value is that it makes me feel as though am actually doing something compared with the amount of cash that's gets through to the end needy user. I don't care whether they have a rich economy. I know the international charity organisations will mobilise and I want to help that cause wherever they act. For once I agree with EvenSven The charitable societies that are currently helping need their resources maintained and I donate regularly to the red cross and am willing to continue to hep and wish them the best in japan |
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The amount of human suffering in the world is overwhelming, and as a single person with (very) limited resources, I actually do have to make a rational economic decision as to where my meager assistance should go. I can't just give money to everyone. In the end, I have decided for the moment not to donate to the Japanese aid effort, because of all of the places with people suffering, Japan has the greatest ability to take care of itself. It is a wealthy country with excellent infrastructure and a functioning government. If it becomes clear to me that my $20 would be able to make a real difference, then I reserve the right to change my mind. |
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Well, strictly speaking, if you donate your $20 to the Red Cross or a similar organization it won't go to Japan even if you want it to. It will replace funds which are spent in Japan, but in effect it will really being going to whatever disaster comes next.
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This was not long after the Trail of Tears. I'm sure the Choctaw didn't have much money to spare. And the Famine was not their problem. Surely the great & wealthy British Empire could take care of "its own" people! The gift was commemorated in 1992. (Payday is this weekend; I'll contribute a bit. Besides, Tsunami Damage reminds me of Hurricane Storm Surge Damage. I've witnessed that aftermath, although This Storm was before my time.) |
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Last edited by Bridget Burke; 03-16-2011 at 12:31 PM. |
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I say let China handle this one. After all, they are going to be the economic power house of the new world and this is right at their back door, and they could use the practice.
I am only kidding a little. |
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In the last month I have contributed $748.48 to a combination of 501(c)(3) organizations and individuals in need. Certainly that's higher than my monthly average, but still, I'm about contributed out for right now. So take your theoretical and retheorize it.
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I would say to all of you who are confident that Japan will bounce back from this series of catastrophes - Why don't you then invest heavily on the Nikkei? You will help Japan in the short term, and when it rebounds and you sell off at a healthy profit, you'll be taking hard-earned money from Japan back to your own country. There will never be an easier time to get in on the ground floor.
Personally, I believe in contributing to charities on a local, national and international level. |
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Speak for yourself, please.
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[Moderator Note]If you have accusations, take them to The BBQ Pit.[/Moderator Note]
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But we are in the BBQ P... oh.
My bad. |
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Having said which, done and done -- EWJ and DFJ are two decently leveraged ways to put your money on Japanese creativity and resilience. I'm long both (and down in the short run). My contributions are real, which is why the OP matters to me -- they're not limitless so I want bang for buck. If someone can convince me that someone will get fed/sheltered/clothed/rescued tomorrow (next week) in Japan due to my donation, who otherwise would not -- Hell, it's a non-issue. There may be articles out there that say that lack of outside funding is what is holding the relief efforts back, or that more could be done right now, or faster, if we sent them more cash -- I have not seen them though. If I wouldn't send a can of evaporated milk or a space blanket because I think it'd be more a nuisance than a help, would I send an incremental dollar? That's the question. There are two overarching reasons I will be giving anyhow. One, while I don't doubt the relief organizations in Japan have what they need TODAY, when all is said and done, they'll need to re-up their coffers for the (inevitable) next crisis. Two, while I'm usually against "just doing something," I feel like symbolically, after all the anxious e-mails and conversations I've had with friends over there, it's a good gesture of solidarity. If you feel like making any donations, and want to make sure any you should choose to make are going more directly to where they're needed, I'd suggest these two options: http://www.google.com/crisisresponse...quake2011.html http://www.japansociety.org/earthquake I'll leave alone the jackass comments about how anyone was suggesting Japan "doesn't really need our help." They've got a U.S. carrier group doing everything they can. The question is whether they need incremental cash donations from individual Americans to avert the humanitarian crisis, right now. That answer is not so clear. Last edited by Huerta88; 03-17-2011 at 12:53 PM. |
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The site Good Intents has a good piece about waiting to give to Japan as well as an excellent, always useful article about The Do's and Don'ts of Disaster Donations. A lot of stuff about people setting up non-profits with no experience, or starting projects that were virtually useless or even harmful just because they felt the urge to help.
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Whatever money we give to Japan, is money that we previously borrowed from them. ............and furthermore, since we are going to be borrowing a whole lot more from Japan in the next few years, it doesnt seem to make much sense to borrow tons of money from Japan and then give them back a few of their own dollars. http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...uments/mfh.txt |
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Are charities taking advantage of the urge to help Japan?
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