Ask the alleged Workaholic

In the Great Debates thread, Should the US Have a 40-Hr. Week/8 hr. Day?, I posted the following comment.

Well, that received a number of responses, questions, etc that got me to think about this matter because, by the standards of many people here, I am a workaholic (and by the standards of a few, I’m not.) I don’t do the above schedule on a daily basis, but 60+ hour workweeks are not uncommon, I do some work-related tasks nearly every day (including weekends), and I’m always mulling over it in my head.

However, I felt that responding in that thread would have been off-topic, as it was more of a policy-wonk discussion and not so much about relaying of the personal anecdotes. So here we are.

Bump asked the following:

I do non-work related stuff during the nights and weekends - as I mentioned, I make sure to come home every night to spend time with the family, with most of those nights I am remaining at home, though I might work when the rest of the family is asleep (usually around 9:30).

However, much of the non-work stuff that I was interested when I was younger now just seems to be a big time sink. I remember playing a game of Civ 3 when, sometime in the 19th century, I logged off like usual - however, this time I paid attention to the progress indicator telling me that I have played this one game of Civ for 38 hours… a full workweek! Ugh - I have a wife and daughter, and they’re not well served by a father who wastes too much time playing video games. And yes, that’s a judgment call, but it’s one I made about myself, so deal with it. :stuck_out_tongue:

Also, the nature of my job is that I need to pay constant and extra attention to it - my job is to work on developing business initiatives, including operations and financial modeling, developing workflows, org charts, gantt charts, what have you. For example, the past three months I have been working on a operations and financial model and business plan which secured millions in financing just this past week. It’s the culmination of up to 2 years worth of research, planning, and sales that I and 2 other key members spent to break into this market.

And I do this because the company is small - 13 people - and I’m responsible for every single one of them and their families. I’m responsible to Audrya, the daughter of one of the other 12 employees, who just got on health insurance for the first time in her 4 years of life. I’m responsible for Cathy, the wife of the company’s president. I’m responsible for my wife, the IT guys, the sales guys, because if I just worked 40 hours a week with the attitude “my time is my time”, there was a serious chance that the company would have failed. The work that needed to be done to get the financing would not have been done. This is a $200 million dollar opportunity, and I’ll be damned if I’m going to blow it, and if I do blow it, I’ll be double-damned if people will say it failed because JohnT didn’t spend the time needed to make it happen. I’ve had a business go under under me, and it was the worst experience of my life - I’ll be damned if it happens again.

And this is just the way I am - I was raised in a family of hard-working high achievers and I was/am expected to be just as hard-working and high achieving as them. Hell, I first started working M-F when I was four and my grandparents (who would have their grandkids over for the summer) put me to helping them work on their rental homes in Daytona Beach. By the time I was 8, I was laying sod and picking up trash at their mobile home park, and when I was 14 I helped rebuild their seawall, possibly the hardest single job I’ve ever worked - and you’re talking to somebody who’s spent 48+ hours at the office with my stepmother (on multiple occasions). :wink: Essentially, an ethic believing in the benefits of working long, hard, and smart (coupled with actually having to work at least long and hard) was just part of the environment I was raised within.

Lastly, and I don’t know if this is apropos of anything, but I am a person who likes making decisions, who likes the responsibility and the authority to get things done merely because I need to get them done, and has no problem taking responsibility when something goes wrong. I never really knew what I wanted to be when I grew up, but I knew I didn’t want to be the guy who only took orders. However, if you like making decisions and actively seek jobs that allow you to make decisions, you tend not to be in jobs where you work just 40 hours a week.

How are you going to find time to answer questions? :wink:

Does your wife do all the household chores, all the (social) organizing and the all child-raising? What are your tasks around the household?

What do you do to relax?

Do you find it difficult to delegate?

What job did you have when you were four???

A lot of what you’re saying is kinda tangent to the original point of the original thread, so I just have one question: Does your compensation structure, whether by overtime hours or stock options or completion bonuses or whatnot, reward you proportionally to your salary or better for working hours beyond 40?

I have also been accused of being a workaholic. On Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays I get up at 5 AM, work from 8 to 6, am home by 7:30 PM, and in bed by 9:30 PM. On Mondays and Wednesdays I get up at 5 AM, work from 8 to 5 at my regular job, work from 5:30 to 9:30 at my teaching job, and then am home by 11 PM. We live on 15 acres, so on the weekends I do nothing but work on home-related stuff.

Do you have a maid, gardener, or other hired household help? Do you feel like you get to spend enough time with your family?

I knew a friend who complained about working too long, but he was well off and it was pretty much his choice.

When I remarked that he wouldn’t do it if he didn’t want to, he stopped complaining. A rare victory for Ms. Obvious!

My dad was an attorney at a major DC law firm and later a business executive. He always worked long hours. But my mom always said that, to her, a workaholic was someone who used work to avoid home, and my dad never did that. He was home when he could be, and when he was there, he was present. I still think my mom’s definition is a good rule of thumb.

See when I posted the OP? :wink:

I’m in charge of making the bed every day, washing the comforter once a month, the dishes on a daily basis, working with Sophie on her piano, playing video games with Sophie, I cook my own meals (Laura might do one meal a month) and clean those dishes, hang up my clothes. This past year I have volunteered 11 hours at her school, doing playground duty, library work, lunch room monitoring, etc. I tend to be popular with the kids (once I somehow got Sophie’s entire class to eat dandelions - it was rather embarrasing).

For relaxation, I am slowly making my way through The Sopranos, I do a lot of things with Laura and Sophie during the weekend (this past weekend, we roadtriped through the cities of Bandera and Hopi, TX, the weekend before that we spent a lot of time at Sea World (we have season passes). I read a lot, we go to church 3 out of 4 Sundays a month, and at times play computer games (always late at night). Laura and I watch TV in our bedroom, and that’s pleasant as I spend much of that time massaging her - head, face, back, arms, feet, legs, etc, as we face the TV and talk about whatever.

Social organizing… not much of that is done, but I’m the one who is more likely to invite people into our lives. Laura works with me at the same company, so we discuss the office quite a bit at home.

Not really. I’ve led departments of over 70 people with multiple shifts, and I had managers, assistant managers, etc all the way down. I was the one who put training materials together, including manuals, flow charts, call scripts, etc. I’ve been the head of call centers, IT departments, routing and mapping operations, and I have always been able to just organize people into working units.

But then when there’s nobody to delegate to, that work must be done anyway. Like I said, the current company has 13 people, meaning that we all take tasks outside our strict job definitions.

A lot of my friends in BigLaw would kill to be able to work 8-6, M-F.

I just assisted my grandparents as they worked on general repair and maintenance on their rental houses. Lots of weed pulling, lots of “hold this, Johnny”, lots of carrying small things following my grandfather as he was taking stuff from the car to the house, or back.

My mother (their daughter) had died when I was a year old, and this was the way that they could spend time with her children - by having us stay with them for 1-2 months every summer. My grandmother, though nominally a Catholic (she converted because of marriage), was a Scot Calvinist through and through, one who firmly believed in the Gospel of the Protestant Work Ethic. And saving, always saving.

She is one of the greatest people I know, even more remarkable than her remarkable husband. Dig down the the deep recesses of my soul and you will find that they are the reason why I’m writing in this thread tonight.

I have stock and options in the company, yes. I do not get compensated more, however - notwithstanding deductions, my paycheck is the same week after week.

No.

Yes. 90% of the time I am not at the office I am with my wife and daughter. And my wife works with me, too, so we see each other from 8-2:45 every day. There’s no lack of face time, except of course when I travel.

And when I travel, I’m rarely gone for less than 4 days - I believe my average trip length was 7 days in 2010, and 2011 it’s 25 days (but that was the only trip I’ve been on. Except this one).

Two followups:

Do you receive more options/stock than a typical employee as a result of your work?

Does your ROI from said stocks/options amount to a proportional increase in your pay relative to your hours worked? For example, if your nominal salary is 40k and you work 60-hour weeks, does the ROI from your stocks/options amount to 20k per year or more?

[complete hijack] Do you ever refer to Laura as “Feathers”? [/ complete hijack]

Q1: I don’t know that. As of now, it’s not for me to know.

Q2: We’ll see. I am working for a better reward ratio than that, however - more like $200k/year+. Or it could come to nothing.

Either way, I’ve accomplished a number of resume-enhancing additions in addition to the “worked on three member team which… bringing in $X million in investor and bank financing” line that I put in this weekend.